Recommendations For Led Red Light

Discussion in 'Red Light, Infrared, LLLT' started by x-ray peat, Jan 7, 2017.

  1. ecstatichamster

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    Excellent studies and great post. Yes I have found the side of the neck has great benefit in using red light. I think this is awesome to see it in a study. I have a study somewhere where eyesight was corrected by red light in the neck.
     
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    Interesting. Testes would apply for this I guess. And living scalp too, right? Anyway the bed/canopy has the added benefit of directly oxygenating and improving skin texture of whole body.
     
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    That's pretty cool, I'll have a look for that study and post it in this thread if I find it.

    Shining on testes definitely has a systemic effect, see the following study where testosterone was increased in the test animals by shining light on the testes. The wattage and length of sessions were pretty massive in this study, though.

    http://www.alliedacademies.org/arti...erum-testosterone-level-in-rats.html?aid=1057

    I don't think the scalp is a good target for a systemic effect. Unless the metabolism is healthy, cuts will take longer to heal on the extremities, which indicates lower blood flow. The scalp is probably the same in this regard.

    I agree that full body exposure is a good idea for keeping the skin healthy.
     
  5. ecstatichamster

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    here is the study

    https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/islsm/16/4/16_4_189/_pdf

    THE POSSIBILITY OF THE APPLICATION OF LOW REACTIVE LEVEL LASER THERAPY IN THE FIELD OF OPHTHALMOLOGY

    Six healthy adult subjects aged 56∼68 years old, were treated with LLLT according to the proximal priority theory (PPT). The subjects’ close range, far range visual acuity and astigmatism were examined prior to, one hour after and 24 hours after LLLT. The laser hardware used in this experiment was the OhLase HT2001 (Japan Medical Laser Laboratory, Tokyo, Japan) and the Screenoscope (Topcon, Tokyo, Japan). A high rate of improvement was seen for both close range and far range visual acuity but a particularly noteworthy improvement rate of 91.7% was seen at examination for far sightedness immediately after LLLT. LLLT in the field of ophthalmology is promising and further controlled studies carried out by ophthalmologic specialists in larger patient groups may yield new indications for LLLT in this field.

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    The technique is explained here:
    The Proximal Priority Theory: An Updated Technique in Low Level Laser Therapy with an 830 nm GaAlAs Laser

    Under the author's PPLT concept, the brain is the control center for the body so every other part of the body is distal to the head.

    The main blood supply to the head is through the carotid arteries, and the deep penetration of the 830 nm beam applied to the side of the neck can involve and photoactivate the external and internal carotids, increasing the blood supply to the brain and creating a systemic parasympathetic system-mediated whole-body effect.

    The author has added gentle neck-stretching, trunk-stretching and his distal tissue softening approaches concomitant with the irradiation which enhance treatment efficacy.

    Results: Real-time fine-plate thermography has revealed whole-body warming as a result of the PPLT, with applications including chronic pain attenuation, female infertility and functional training of paraplegic cerebral palsy patients. The warming effect had a latency from hours to days, increasing in intensity and latency with subsequent PPLT sessions. Both Doppler flowmetry and SPECT have shown increased cerebral and systemic blood flow following PPLT.

     
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    I don't think so; the scalp is one of the most active skin areas as for irrigation, if not the most. If you have a cut on the scalp you'll see the hell of a blood gushing. Bear in mind I'm talking for an active living scalp full of hair. Think of girls scalp.. soft, warm, springy.
     
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    I have a GE 300 w incandescent as a desk lamp, the 850 114 bulb led light and a 660nm red led.Amazon.com : ABI 12W Deep Red 660nm LED Bloom Booster Grow Light Bulb for Flowering and Spectrum Enhancement : Patio, Lawn & Garden

    I have noticed that the 850 IR works great for back pain and shoulder pain. I have put it on my scalp and get a strange/good feeling in my head after only 60 seconds. Hope its doing something good.
    Its too early for the 660 to see results but it is very powerful. I use it on skin and scalp for 60 seconds at a time.
     
  9. ecstatichamster

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    I haven't found much benefit with infrared compared to red light. Infrared feels nice but it doesn't seem to have the positive effects that red light has.
     
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    what part of the head are you using it ? top, sides and forehead ?
     
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    It depends mostly on front scalp. Lots of studies on good effects of IR in temporal lobe but you don't want to over do it. Sometimes I will put it over ear in hail mary hope it improves hearing.
     
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    in regards to 850 in back and shoulder pain, that's good news. It flares up if I workout to hard so that will help in sore management.
     
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    I think it would. Just dont go too crazy with the light as it actually starts to hurt the cells if you give it too much energy.
    Not sure if you've come across this but Valtsu does a great job pulling together all the LLLT research. Its amazing all the areas that it has shown to help.
    Valtsu's: The Therapeutic Effects of Red and Near-Infrared Light (2015)
     
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    thanks for the link. I'll read that thoroughly.

    I have NOT received my order yet from Amazon. I ordered the same 850 and 660 grow lights that you are using. I'm expecting the lights in a day or 2. I will start in 1 minute increments.

    How often you use the 850 in your head, shoulder and back ? Daily ? 2x or 3x weekly ?
     
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    Im still experimenting but for n0w
    850 nm 2x per day for 60 seconds on back and shoulder, knees, and hands. Maybe 2x per week on head for 30-60 seconds. and then I experiment on thyroid every once in a while
    660 nm 2x per day for 60 seconds on scalp, face, neck, 2x per week for 30 seconds on scrotum

    Unfortunately I don't know what the power output of these are so I want to be cautious. Maybe others could also add what they have been doing.
     
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    maybe this can measure the power output

    Dr.Meter® SM206 Digital Solar BTU Power Meter
     
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    I am not sure that would work. It is my understanding that you need an IR meter to properly measure IR light. Solar meters are calibrated for full spectrum sunlight. I am not sure that they are accurate for single wavelength red light either. There are a bunch of sites talking about how to make an IR meter as the real ones are expensive.
     
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    This may be a far-fetched question, but does a laser mouse with red led light achieve anything when using your body as the mouse mat while laying on the bed? The led itself is bright to make it uncomfortable to stare straight into it.
     
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    It might. It would depend on what wavelength it is putting out and on the intensity of the light. I am not sure what benefit you would get unless its a stomach with less wrinkles
     
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    Why don't you want to over do it? I've been noticing headaches shorty after and during red light therapy lately. Any idea why this is? I did get a bad concussion 8 months ago, so this is probrably related to why.
     
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