Receding Gums

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  1. charlie

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    Ever since starting the Ray Peat lifestyle I have noticed that my receding gums are ramping up in their erosion. :help It's getting pretty bad at this point and I am at a loss on what to do. When I was low carb, the erosion pretty much stopped. And now, :yipes

    The two things that have changed majorly from low carb is sugar(fruits, simply syrup), and milk. I stopped the milk about a week ago with no relief, but at the same time I also upped my sugar and I noticed that my gums are even now more redder then usual. So a couple days ago I figured that hey, its the sugar doing this. I have been downing a lot of simple syrup this week, more then usual and the inflammation is even worse this week. So yesterday I decided to drop the simple syrup, coke, and lower my fruits a bit and see what happens. I need some relief!

    Anyone else dealing with this? Did you remedy it and how? I dont want to lose my teeth! :pray
     
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    I had gum problems for awhile, it was one of the reasons I started eating a more peat inspired diet. I would make sure your nutrition needs are being met, downing a lot of simple syrup without lots of nutrient rich food will probably cause problems. Eating plenty of oysters and liver would probably be a good idea, along with adequate fruit and milk. I would avoid commercial OJ and milk with vitamins. Rinsing your mouth with baking soda dissolved in water after meals is a good idea. Make sure you don't brush too hard.

    Personally my gum problems had a lot to do with stress, try to avoid stressful situations or learn to deal with them a calm manner.
     
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    Cliff, thanks for chiming in.

    My diet is pretty good. I was just pushing the simply syrup this last week to see what happened. Only thing I need to work on is the commercial OJ. Been drinking a bit too much of that instead of fresh squeezing.

    I definitely have a stress problem, I simply cannot handle it, at all. Trying to deal with it as best as I can, but doesn't seem like I am making much progress. Really hoping that if I am able to fix my thyroid and energy problems that it will help me handle stress better.

    Onward and upward I suppose. I do have a sense of wellbeing for a moment or two a couple times a week. At least I have a glimpse of hope and something to look forward.
     
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    One data point to consider:
    I have always had a little bit of a problem with bleeding gums.
    Forever.
    A few months ago I had an emergency appendectomy
    during the course of and after which
    I had to take a lot of different, intense antibiotics.

    Since that time, for months now,
    I have not had one speck of blood.
    Not one speck.
     
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    Cliff- Don't you also think that the gums (or most anything) can come from poor digestion? Once the digestion is fixed the gums( and teeth) should then resolve in time. Charlie- I think that fruits these days tend not to be grown properly and are picked before they are ripe- I would avoid fruit for a while.
     
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    In my experience, there's a big difference in dental health between consuming sugar as fruit, and sugar in isolation (sugar by itself causes problems while fruit doesn't). You can easily feel the difference in biofilm-buildup on your teeth, a couple hours after a glass of orange juice, versus a couple hours after ingesting the same amount of pure sugar.

    My theory is the fruit polyphenols and etc which defend the fruit against bacterial decay also prevent bacteria from thriving in your mouth.

    Also with orange juice, studies suggest calcium-fortified OJ is much better for your teeth than standard OJ. For people who are drinking 1 or 2 quarts a day, this could make a huge difference.

     
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    Here's raisins as an example -- they contain ten different phytochemicals with anti-biotic activity. This is why you want to get most of your sugar from fruit sources if dental health is a priority.

     
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    Ray Peat would NEVER recommend "Calcium fortified" anything!!! In terms of teeth or anything else: SUGAR is good and fine. Fruit is good too. There has never been much agreement about what causes dental caries. But, Ray seems to think that the saliva in the teeth is effected by thyroid and estrogen levels. Sugar helps T3. No offense FunkOdyssey- This is about Ray Peat and if you have read or heard any of what Ray says... you are way off in terms of his recommendation. Everything is effected by digestion! Thyroid plays into all your health including your dental health. Sugar fixes thyroid issues and then should not be in issue with the teeth ( as popular culture says it does)
     
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    The Joy of Antibiotics

    I would think "receding gums" and "bleeding gums" are related in that
    they both fall under the category of
    "periodontal disease"...right?

    I had chronically bleeding gums for as long as I can remember
    and my general gum health and periodontal health wasn't that great.

    As I said above in the thread,
    after I took several rounds of antibiotics
    during and after my appendectomy,
    intravenous and oral...

    ...my gums stopped bleeding.
    And they have not bled even one tiny bit for 4 months now.

    I always avoided antibiotics up until then
    because like most of us "health food types"
    I considered antibiotics tantamount to the antichrist. :twisted:

    But you may know that Peat is said to take penicillin on a daily basis
    in an effort to keep his gut as close to sterile as possible
    (his work point for that is said to be that in mice studies
    those mice with sterile guts had the best health and longest lives).

    So if it were me, Charlie,
    I'd try a round 'o antibiotics.
    (don't take Flagyl though...that stuff has horrible mood effects!) :cry:
     
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    No offense taken, people have different approaches and interpretations. I think Ray Peat has tons of great ideas that have inspired me and are improving my health but I remain an independent critical thinker. As far as sugar goes, you can find quotes from Peat saying he rinses his mouth with a baking soda solution after consuming sugar. Why is this necessary? Because sugar feeds oral bacteria, which reduces oral pH as they metabolize the sugar, and then the acid rots your teeth. Healthy mineral-rich saliva, promoted by thyroid, vitamin K2, etc helps mitigate this problem to a large degree, but not permitting oral bacteria to grow in the first place nips it right in the bud.

    I'm just pointing out, if you don't think baking soda rinses after every time you consume sugar are practical, you might want to emphasize fruits instead of refined sugar, as fruits contain phytochemicals which prevent the sugar they contain from breeding bacteria and reducing pH in the mouth.

    I'm aware Ray Peat cautions against additives as possible sources of contamination. I personally feel pretty good about drinking OJ fortified with tricalcium phosphate, which is the same form of calcium found in milk. Also my stomach doesn't seem to like 48+ ounces of acidic OJ without the buffering effect provided by the calcium phosphate.
     
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    Narouz, I got a few antibiotics on hand. Wonder which one I should take? :lol: I am going to go through them and search online about what works for what and maybe give it a go for a round. Maybe it will help my gut to? Things arent moving to well right now.


    Btw, I was already considering taking a round of antibiotics. So no worries there. :neener
     
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    Charlie, I think that when D. Roddy was discussing Peat's use of antibiotics
    he said Peat used penicillin.

    When I was in the hospital
    they were dripping some kind of antibiotic into me continuously, intravenously.
    Then they gave me Cipromycin (sp?) orally when I got out
    (which did seem to give me bad diarrhea, so I stopped),
    and then they gave me Flagyl because they were worried about an outside chance
    of the deadly c. difficile bacteria (turns out I never had it).
    That Flagyl...I'd rather have the periodontal disease. ;)

    I don't mean to harp on the antibiotic thing,
    but it was a bit in the nature of a revelation to me:
    a lifetime of bleeding gums
    erased
    with some antibiotics.
    I go around blabbing about it to anyone who will listen. :oops:
     
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    I'm listening my friend and taking notes. :thankyou Would love to nip this receding gum crap in the bud.
     
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    Penicillin is one of the safer ABs for sure. Steer clear of ciprofloxacin at all costs.
    For your stress have you tried pregnenolone combined with niacinamide?

    Also regularly washing out the mouth by baking soda (in water) but very dilute.

    You could give oil pulling a try (with coconut oil). Did wonders for my wife's gums.
    Firs thing in the morning you put a tablespoon of oil in the mouth then swish around
    for about 20 minutes. Then spit it put (down toilet best). Then rinse out with salt water
    and then with baking soda. Should see improvement in a week or so.
     
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    nwo, thanks for the info. I do have a "cillin" laying round here somewhere. Eventually i am going to dose myself up with it.

    Yes, I have been using pregnenolone. Hard to tell if its working. Anytime I try to use niancinamide, my hair starts falling out at a faster rate. Not sure whats up with that.

    The last couple days I have been doing the baking soda thing and washing the mouth out, i think it might be actually working. :rockout

    Havent tried the oil pulling, but thats next on my list. Thank you!
     
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    Excellent news mate. :D
     
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    check out: http://www.epic4health.com/ for info on CoQ10 and ubiquinol for gum disease. Worked for me! Even my dentist asked me if I had taken coq10 as he could tell a difference.
     
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    Thank you jgreer. I think Ray Peat talks about CoQ10. I will have to look into it.

    However, I think if you get the metabolism going, and take care of any underlying infections. That should possibly take care of the gum disease. Hopefully.
     
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    One thing I have found is great for treating bleeding, receding gums is to clean your teeth with bentonite clay. I suffer from bleeding gums when my estrogen is too dominant. But recently I have switched to cleaning my teeth with bentonite clay (which as an aside also works to abort cold sores before they blister if used mixed with water to form a paste). I use the clay dry on the end of my tooth brush. I would imagine that it's drawing effect helps remove bacteria from the mouth and its slight abrasiveness does a wonderful job cleaning the stains from my teeth. Plus, I think the simple act of having traces of calcium and other minerals left around your teeth may help strengthen them. Certainly my teeth seem smoother and the enamel thicker (teeth seem whiter and not as see through). Honestly, I can't say enough good things about bentonite clay. My husband uses it in his psoriasis plaques, and I seem to find a new use for it myself every so often as well. So far though, the toothpaste is the best!
     
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    This sounds good if it seems to thicken the tooth enamel. Mine is looking mighty thin. I've been using baking soda which somebody said helped thicken enamel but it hasn't mine...
     
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