Ray Peat On The USA Being Inside The Mossad

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Maybe that sounds like it's anti-semitic. And maybe you're right.

How does subversion work? Do you have to be actively participating in it? Or can you just be passive and do nothing about it? And benefit from it as well? Or even when you don't benefit from it, as when you allow an active evil to be inflicted on somebody else and you just stood by minding your own business?

You don't have to be a Jew to be subversive. Maybe you're not very subversive, but you're neither in the least bit un-subversive.

When you allow the CIA and the Pentagon and the State Department and the security state and the military to engage in regime change wars for public corporations that want to exploit their natural resources, in which you benefit from through your investments in shares of their stock to fund your nest egg, what is the level of your subversion when you stand by and keep electing the same regime in your country while the regimes carpet bombs neighborhoods in foreign lands and destroy lives like yours?

I don't speak about Jews but Americans here, but this subversion is now coming to haunt us, because it's not enough for them to destroy foreign lives. Their sights are now trained on us. But it's never too late to be awakened from their spell. But it would have been easier if we were much less subversive, when we were alert and watchful and we were able to nip this subversion at the bud. Instead, we looked away when MLK and JFK were assassinated. We were busy watching NFL and NBA and NASCAR and developing beer bellies.

Even then, the Jews were much less subversive than us. They planted roots in this soil, and with good soil, weeds among them grew as well. But that is as far as their level of subversion goes. Among them, there were voices that called out to us that among them lay true active subversives.

The AIPAC has been around, and they've been telling us about its corrosive and subversive impact on how our government is run, yet we did nothing. We allowed the Zionists, thru AIPAC, to control the quality of our government, and it has descended to levels of depravity.

Everyone now in public service is in subservience to this subversive apparatus. No one rises without being crooked. Not all choose to be a rat, but if that is what's needed to survive and provide for their ratlings' future, they will abide as to resist is to fail.

Resistance against the Zionist blob is futile because you @OldMan as well as your compatriots looked the other way.

You are just as subversive! Maybe even more so.

Because you want to shut up discussion on what needs to be said.
 
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@OldMan

Hey man, we don't need to argue for ever. Several people have agreed with you that Michael94's comments were at least borderline antisemitic, but he clearly has a point of view and there is freedom of expression. If you don't agree with that, report the comment and we'll have a discussion as a community. Repeating the same things over and over won't help matters.
 

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"Hey, sometimes some j3ws do things that some consider to be negative."

OldMan: "A n T i S 3 M i T e ! 1 !! !1, haidut, save us!!!"

OldMan's reflexive use of the largely antiwh1te slur "antis3mite" falls under the same umbrella as kneejerk, discussion-ending expressions like "antivax," "rayciss," "transphobe," etc.
 

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Let’s not gang up on anybody, we can all move forward from this.
 

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OTE="mrchibbs, post: 539672, member: 7363"]@OldMan

Hey man, we don't need to argue for ever. Several people have agreed with you that Michael94's comments were at least borderline antisemitic, but he clearly has a point of view and there is freedom of expression. If you don't agree with that, report the comment and we'll have a discussion as a community. Repeating the same things over and over won't help matters.[/QUOTE]
@OldMan

Hey man, we don't need to argue for ever. Several people have agreed with you that Michael94's comments were at least borderline antisemitic, but he clearly has a point of view and there is freedom of expression. If you don't agree with that, report the comment and we'll have a discussion as a community. Repeating the same things over and over won't help matters.
Perhaps OldMan is running too high on serotonin. Nothing that some cyproheptadin, aspirin, salt, and fruit can’t fix.

OldMan, time to let go of learned helplessness and authoritarianism:
New Page Title Here
Academic authoritarians, language, metaphor, animals, and science
Perhaps OldMan is running too high on serotonin. Nothing that some cyproheptadin, aspirin, salt, and fruit can’t fix.

OldMan, time to let go of learned helplessness and authoritarianism:
New Page Title Here
Academic authoritarians, language, metaphor, animals, and science
Perhaps OldMan is running too high on serotonin. Nothing that some cyproheptadin, aspirin, salt, and fruit can’t fix.

OldMan, time to let go of learned helplessness and authoritarianism:
New Page Title Here
Academic authoritarians, language, metaphor, animals, and science
Perhaps OldMan is running too high on serotonin. Nothing that some cyproheptadin, aspirin, salt, and fruit can’t fix.

OldMan, time to let go of learned helplessness and authoritarianism:
New Page Title Here
Academic authoritarians, language, metaphor, animals, and science


 

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Oh no!! It's another shoah!

Meanwhile, OldMan just reported Haidut and Danny for not wearing a mask on LiveStream. So stunning and brave

This guy is a weirdo
 

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Oh no!! It's another shoah!

Meanwhile, OldMan just reported Haidut and Danny for not wearing a mask on LiveStream. So stunning and brave @haidut

This guy is a weirdo
Oh no!! It's another shoah!

Meanwhile, OldMan just reported Haidut and Danny for not wearing a mask on LiveStream. So stunning and brave

This guy is a weirdo
 

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To be clear, I said Jews are a subversive force. This is considered anti-semitic, but people also associate the term anti-semitism with wanting to genocide Jews in another Holocaust, or something like that. So it's a loaded term.

Subversive doesn't necessarily mean a bad thing, maybe one does not like certain things about the Western world, and prefers fractional reserve banking, loan capital control of labor, neo-liberal economics in general, pornography, media pushing a divisive agenda, fun military excursions in the middle east, mercenary lawyers etc. In this way the subversiveness could be considered a positive.


This is a poor effort of trying to establish your miserable anti-Semitic stance through the backdoor.
There is a lot to be criticized and oppososed about the things you mentioned in the last paragraph. But to insinuate that all Jews are not only in favor of these things but are actively engaged in them ... all Jews mind, you pretend all Jews everywhere do, is classic wholesale anti-Semitism.

And that’s a stance I call out. I also think that anybody harboring such a irrational stance has serious health -> mental problems. That’s even more remarkable since we are here foremost to learn about the effects estrogen and serotonin diminishes can have, including such a hateful, deluded state of mind
 

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This is a poor effort of trying to establish your miserable anti-Semitic stance through the backdoor.
There is a lot to be criticized and oppososed about the things you mentioned in the last paragraph. But to insinuate that all Jews are not only in favor of these things but are actively engaged in them ... all Jews mind, you pretend all Jews everywhere do, is classic wholesale anti-Semitism.
It cannot be avoided that such criticism in the modern world will have backlash. I find Old Man quite reasonable and am not bothered by his response. It is natural and expected given how anti-semitism is treated "in the real world", which is to say outside our space of aliases and avatars. We should be grateful one can post things in certain places without fear of the social guillotine. That said, it wouldn't bother me in the slightest if my comments or account were outright deleted. One must admit when the views of a single member are disrupting the greater mission of the forum, which is something else.

I will address your concern "But to insinuate that all Jews are not only in favor of these things but are actively engaged in them ... all Jews mind, you pretend all Jews everywhere do"

Each person everywhere, should be treated as an individual. On what they are and what they do, with full accountability. To say a Jew you meet during your daily life is part of some grand conspiracy would be ridiculous, especially since they suffer from the same headaches as the rest of us. How to pay the bills, what to eat, how to make time for the things they really enjoy.

Yet, by virtue of being a Jew, they are seemingly immune to all discussion which is not positive. And to make connections based on multiple "coincidences" of Jews being over-represented in certain activities, is considered an evil of the lowest and most backwards type. So they are not treated with full accountability, either as individuals or a group. And yet those who grow tired of this and simply say Jews are overrepresented in subversive activities, rather than tediously pointing out the facts in every instance without making "group associations", are somehow hateful!

It is not as if people do not fight the subversive activities themselves, without giving considerations to the actors, because it is done and done often. That is the only way one can discuss these problems in the open. And it is something I believe in, because without never-ending slavery to money interest, the "actors" would be deprived of the venom by which they carry out malicious activities. But with enough coincidences, a certain group loses trust as regards honesty or the well-being of humanity at large.
 

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I agree 100 percent. Danny Roddy and Georgi are polluting their YouTube talks when goading Dr. Peat as they do. @haidut

It’s an open ongoing dialogue they are having, they are giving examples of authoritarianism and the bioenergetic implications behind such attitudes, certain countries/cultures/cults, individuals, political ideologies and religions are discussed as examples of authoritarian perceptions, all these differing belief systems are almost identical from a biological viewpoint except for the language they use. These examples change in many interviews.
Another example is somebody with a coherent metabolic state out of womb can de-cohere by the feedback from the environment that has psychotic authoritarian belief systems in place, said systems are forced on the child.
For example no child should be thought to believe that other humans are there to serve them because said child is a superior human being.

Another example is discussing some religions that believe they are superior human beings, that other humans are less than them and on earth to serve the superior humans, this is a form of psychopathology and authoritarianism.

Antisemitism is being used in authoritarian way by many in contemporary times, its being used and abused as a form of racial supremacy, no criticism allowed, the ambiguity and vagueness around the contemporary use of the term is a sign of the increasing authoritarianism in society,it’s being used to stifle free speech, genuine discussion on religions that believe they are superior people are stifled because of current use.

The treatment of the Palestinians by israel is abhorrent, people have a right to ask why the American tax payer is paying billions to israel every year, people have a right to ask why American technology they give to israel is appearing in the hands of china and putin, they have a right to ask these questions and more without being labeled antisemitic.
 
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I'm alarmed and dismayed that Danny and Georgi are goading Dr. Peat into speculative conspiracy news and chats. This will impact Dr. Peat's reputation as a leading source for health and longevity research provided through sound Biochemical science. This also will impact the integrity of this forum when it allows National Enquirer type idle gossip to pollute this forum which is generally considered an avant garde health portal.

Can you give examples of the "speculative conspiracy news" in this interview ?

All I hear is critical thinking and questions with examples of potentialities.
Your use of word "goading" in relation to Peat is misguided or mis-goaded so to speak, Peat is engaging in a general dialogue ,he’s not an easily "goaded" person, authoritarian personas however are "goaded" quite easily as we see in contemporary times with the thought police takeover of society.

Peat doesn’t care to be a leading source on anything, he doesn’t want to be a leader, most of his writings and interviews convey this quite clearly, he wants to be an ongoing "becoming" which requires free speech and general dialogues/interaction with other humans and creatures. An example would be that he talks to cats because they understand, I’ve being talking to different creatures since I’m a child, my parents could have made money from a national enquirer puff piece.....

This forum is polluted with many frustrated stream of conscious type national inquirer dialogues , the reason being is that people are disillusioned by "normal society" , in some cases mocked or coerced back into the authoritarian run institutions with the promise of being "fixed "with an SSRI and establishment psychiatrists, this is madness, the establishment basically treat you to become more mad to feel "normal" because society is becoming more psychotic and people feel depressed because of this.
The fact this platform allowed them to discuss their thinking processes out loud and receive feedback has allowed them to un-muddle their thinking processes and start the realization of the ongoing ever changing process of becoming.

This forum is generally not considered an "avant-garde health portal, in general it’s seen as if we are all mad/incomprehensible , the finest compliment you can receive when we look at the state of the "normal world".
 

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You’re making no sense.
The thought police never does.

I view Israel as I view Iceland. Don't wish anyone any harm, but don't want citizens that are loyal to Iceland controlling our media and government.
If you look into it, less than 2% of a "culture" controls 95% of the media.

Research how many of our government have dual citizenship with Israel and you can see the concern is valid.

To add to that, there is no such thing as a Jew (in a spiritual sense) going back to Abraham because all of the genealogies are gone.

True "jews," post Old Testament, are believers in Jesus Christ from every nation.
 

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The thought police never does.

I view Israel as I view Iceland. Don't wish anyone any harm, but don't want citizens that are loyal to Iceland controlling our media and government.
If you look into it, less than 2% of a "culture" controls 95% of the media.

Research how many of our government have dual citizenship with Israel and you can see the concern is valid.

To add to that, there is no such thing as a Jew (in a spiritual sense) going back to Abraham because all of the genealogies are gone.

True "jews," post Old Testament, are believers in Jesus Christ from every nation.
@haidut
 

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Can you give examples of the "speculative conspiracy news" in this interview ?

All I hear is critical thinking and questions with examples of potentialities.
Your use of word "goading" in relation to Peat is misguided or mis-goaded so to speak, Peat is engaging in a general dialogue ,he’s not an easily "goaded" person, authoritarian personas however are "goaded" quite easily as we see in contemporary times with the thought police takeover of society.

Peat doesn’t care to be a leading source on anything, he doesn’t want to be a leader, most of his writings and interviews convey this quite clearly, he wants to be an ongoing "becoming" which requires free speech and general dialogues/interaction with other humans and creatures. An example would be that he talks to cats because they understand, I’ve being talking to different creatures since I’m a child, my parents could have made money from a national enquirer puff piece.....

This forum is polluted with many frustrated stream of conscious type national inquirer dialogues , the reason being is that people are disillusioned by "normal society" , in some cases mocked or coerced back into the authoritarian run institutions with the promise of being "fixed "with an SSRI and establishment psychiatrists, this is madness, the establishment basically treat you to become more mad to feel "normal" because society is becoming more psychotic and people feel depressed because of this.
The fact this platform allowed them to discuss their thinking processes out loud and receive feedback has allowed them to un-muddle their thinking processes and start the realization of the ongoing ever changing process of becoming.

This forum is generally not considered an "avant-garde health portal, in general it’s seen as if we are all mad/incomprehensible , the finest compliment you can receive when we look at the state of the "normal world".
@haidut
 
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