Ray Peat On Sex And Relationships

[Drareg]

Great and about time someone started a thread like this.

Any health guru preaching health without discussing sex and intimacy is a fraud imo.

It's essential for optimum living as much as vitamin d and everything else.
Like an excess of vitamin d it can become an issue I'm sure.

 

[DaveFoster]

Great and about time someone started a thread like this.

Any health guru preaching health without discussing sex and intimacy is a fraud imo.

It's essential for optimum living as much as vitamin d and everything else.
Like an excess of vitamin d it can become an issue I'm sure.

I'm sure there's a double entendre about vitamin D in there somewhere.

Manjaws!

Breaking Bad's story might serve as a cultural metaphor.

Whenever one of my ex-girlfriend's started taking the birth control pill, she became combative, which almost always led to a break-up. HGH can cause enlargened jaws, so whenever the conversation centers around the hormonal systems at play, it strikes more true than the behaviorist arguments. Certainly, the media exploits a weakened population, but a healthy individual will not succumb to degenerative modes of behavior. The stories of Jesus Christ might cumulatively serve as an allegory to that point.

 

[biffbelvin]

The commercials and programming are not just just there to sell us the crap goods, foods, services, drugs and cars that appear in them. They are a vehicle for "selling" and conditioning us to accept an inverted, degenerate version of masculinity and femininity, and inviting us to become what they show in them. All aided and assisted biologically by polluted/toxic air, water and food. Psychology and biology brought together, working together, to turn women into second-rate men and men into second-rate women. This is also aided and abetted and given vast amounts of input and support by the institutions of education, law, mainstream religion, and the MSM. We are frogs in the pan while knob to increase the boil is turned on further.

I heard progesterone is good for burns. Jokes aside, we clearly have completely different perspectives on these things, so i'll do us both a favour and step out of this discussion.

 

[pimpnamedraypeat]

Dna is fairytales from imagination only. Same with mitochondria. Mito = myth or thread as in something you weave with. Weaving a story. Atoms are also make believe.

Ancestral = Ence-Astral
From the Astral.
Biological parents provide the raw materials ( which is not unimportant ). They do not pass on dna because dna is make believe. This raw material is then "animated." It is not random.

Lol what?

 

[Drareg]

I'm sure there's a double entendre about vitamin D in there somewhere.

Breaking Bad's story might serve as a cultural metaphor.

Whenever one of my ex-girlfriend's started taking the birth control pill, she became combative, which almost always led to a break-up. HGH can cause enlargened jaws, so whenever the conversation centers around the hormonal systems at play, it strikes more true than the behaviorist arguments. Certainly, the media exploits a weakened population, but a healthy individual will not succumb to degenerative modes of behavior. The stories of Jesus Christ might cumulatively serve as an allegory to that point.

lol I should have done a painting.

From a male perspective the curves Peat was painting are impressive in every sense of the word,the impression a lady lying on her side with hip curve prominent on a beach for example is interesting to think about how this catches the male eye.

 

[Amazoniac]

http://www.shamanicengineering.org/.../Reich_Wilhelm_The_Function_of_the_Orgasm.pdf
I suggest everyone to read this book out loud with all of your family around.

 

[Amazoniac]

"Orgastically potent men and women never laugh and talk during the sexual act, except possibly to exchange words of endearment. Both talking and laughing are indicative of severe disturbances of the ability to surrender; surrender presuposes complete immersion in the streaming sensation of pleasure. Men who feel that surrender is "feminine" are always orgastically disturbed."

 

[Amazoniac]

Conscious attempt to keep your mouth shut would be the same as buying one of these to avoid heart problems. The point is to not feel the urge by reading Eckhart Tolle all day long.

 

[Sucrates]

"Orgastically potent men and women never laugh and talk during the sexual act, except possibly to exchange words of endearment. Both talking and laughing are indicative of severe disturbances of the ability to surrender; surrender presuposes complete immersion in the streaming sensation of pleasure. Men who feel that surrender is "feminine" are always orgastically disturbed."

"As an adult Reich wrote extensively, in his diary, about his sexual precocity. He maintained that his first sexual experience was at the age of four when he tried to have sex with the family maid (with whom he shared a bed), that he would regularly watch the farm animals have sex, that he used a whip handle sexually on the horses while masturbating, and that he had almost daily sexual intercourse from the age of 11 with another of the servants. He wrote of regular visits to brothels, the first when he was 15, and said he was visiting them daily from the age of around 17. He also developed sexual fantasies about his mother, writing when he was 22 that he masturbated while thinking about her."

 

[Amazoniac]

"As an adult Reich wrote extensively, in his diary, about his sexual precocity. He maintained that his first sexual experience was at the age of four when he tried to have sex with the family maid (with whom he shared a bed), that he would regularly watch the farm animals have sex, that he used a whip handle sexually on the horses while masturbating, and that he had almost daily sexual intercourse from the age of 11 with another of the servants. He wrote of regular visits to brothels, the first when he was 15, and said he was visiting them daily from the age of around 17. He also developed sexual fantasies about his mother, writing when he was 22 that he masturbated while thinking about her."

 

[Sucrates]

Have to wonder if he was so messed up because he was molested by the maid.

 

[Amazoniac]

Have to wonder if he was so messed up because he was molested by the maid.

What if he molested the maid?
We read something or have a fresh subject in mind and suddenly everything is explanable through it. When we acquire something, we starting viewing similarities everywhere. The only problem with this guy is that he never removes the sex lenses. But he has many interesting points throughout his writings.
I can only imagine his patients waiting for their turn acting like Courage, the dog from Cartoon Networks.

 

[Tarmander]

Have to wonder if he was so messed up because he was molested by the maid.

classic sexual molesting maid move: "No honey, you were trying to have sex with ME when you were a baby."

 

[Drareg]

http://www.shamanicengineering.org/.../Reich_Wilhelm_The_Function_of_the_Orgasm.pdf
I suggest everyone to read this book out loud with all of your family around.

Hahahah This is great thanks!

The claim is bonobos have an orgy before any kind of tension,for example if they stumble on food and it's scarce they will,have an orgy of sort before eating the food. The reasons are highly debatable,stress of captivity for example could be exacerbating the situation. Even guys will engage in intercourse who were not necessarily appearing gay before.

For me the contemporary world has had massive tension building since the rise of the internet,the internet has shown all corners of the world to us all,I think ISIS for example is an extreme reaction to sexual tension,it's underlying drives are the enslavement of western women to rape them and control them.
All this processes,the drives underlying whether low energy or high energy manifest in creative ways,ISIS was a creative albeit low energy psychotic way to rape and carry out sexual desires.
Many People join the military with similar underlying drives which explains the astronomically levels of rape amongst the "allies" who are fighting the"axis of evil". The stress of war can cause it also to be fair.

The far right and far left in political movements are similarly driven by desire for sex,all different movements manifesting in creative ways h(ence the multitude of differing groups)low energy sexual drives. The far right want to dominate and rape humans,the far left have an airy fairy free and open orgy state,both are low energy solutions to an internal drive,natures wants to copulate because the organism as a whole is on the way out.
This behaviour is rampant in the academic community.

The canary in the cole mine was and is the rise of pornography use,it's extreme use that is.
These situations have happened in history I'm sure but not on this scale.

Why be so creative and psychotic with sexual drives? Bizarrely it seems humans are adhering to certain aspects of their culture,it's taboo to start an orgy at the office or local mosque/church(most anyway),the hilarity and comedy of human nature is we will go to extraordinary lengths hide true agendas from ourselves,our own psyche ,its monty phyton like.

Throw in any other extreme views and behaviour and imo a lack of intimacy and sexual interaction is at its core, spiritual gurus for example,health obsessed gurus who never discuss sex,never..... many of the secrets of the universe types on you tube,excessive intellectualising and fundamental reductionism etc

I think racism in most cases is driven by an subconscious sexual inferiority complex in the face of more sexual specimens and an atttraction to said specimens, initially inferior male thinks he is as attraction but desire is never matched therefore we get rage and hate from the rejection. The sexually inferior male also went into a rage when his women found men of another race more sexually desirable for example,this can set off a fractal pathology for centuries,beat it into the culture so women suppress desire for said superior male specimens under the mask of culture.

I speak with a male mind,the drives may be a touch different for women in some cases perhaps.

 

[Drareg]

"Orgastically potent men and women never laugh and talk during the sexual act, except possibly to exchange words of endearment. Both talking and laughing are indicative of severe disturbances of the ability to surrender; surrender presuposes complete immersion in the streaming sensation of pleasure. Men who feel that surrender is "feminine" are always orgastically disturbed."

Interesting to note then the surrender aspect when look at the male mind during sex these days and also porn desired,it's about dominance and humiliation of female,no empathy for females desires in some cases and disturbingly many wome view this as how man is.

 

[Sucrates]

classic sexual molesting maid move: "No honey, you were trying to have sex with ME when you were a baby."

And he spends his life coming up with increasingly wacky ways to try and rationalize it and promote it. I've only recently read that these pedophile/freudian/marxist ideas were institutionalized in early USSR. Reich first met Freud in 1919, not sure how active/influential he was in the '20s.

"Support of radical and Marxist ideals was common among Freud’s early followers, and leftist attitudes were common in later years among psychoanalysts, as well as in Freudian inspired offshoots such as Erich Fromm, Wilhelm Reich (see below) and Alfred Adler. (terms Adler the leader of “far left” psychoanalysis, noting that Adler wanted to immediately politicize teachers as radicals rather than wait for the perfection of psychoanalysis to do so.) The apex of the association between Marxism and psychoanalysis came in the 1920s in the Soviet Union, where all the top psychoanalysts were Bolsheviks, Trotsky supporters, and among the most powerful political figures in the country (see Chamberlain 1995). (Trotsky himself was an ardent enthusiast of psychoanalysis.) This group organized a government-sponsored State Psychoanalytical Institute and developed a program of “pedology” aimed at producing the “new Soviet man” on the basis of psychoanalytic principles applied to the education of children. The program, which encouraged sexual precocity in children, was put into practice in state-run schools."

 

[Amazoniac]

To be fair it could've been something out of perverted (in a sense of ignoring boundaries) curiosity, but I don't know much about him. All I know is that this was going to be a potential client.

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"I compared the stratification of the character with the stratification of geological deposits, which are also rigidified history. A conflict which is fought out at a certain age always leaves behind a trace in the person's character. This trace is revealed as a hardening of the character. It functions automatically and is difficult to eliminate. The patient does not experience it as something alien; more often than not, he is aware of it as a rigidification or as a loss of spontaneity. Every such layer of the character structure is a piece of the person's life history, preserved and active in the present in a different form. Experience showed that the old conflicts can be fairly easily reactivated through the loosening of these layers. If the layers of rigidified conflicts were especially numerous and functioned automatically, if they formed a compact, not easily penetrable unity, the patient felt them as an "armor" surrounding the living organism. This armor could lie on the "surface" or in the "depth," could be "as soft as a sponge" or "as hard as a rock." Its function in every case was to protect the person against unpleasurable experiences. However, it also entailed a reduction in the organism's capacity for pleasure. Experiences of severe conflict made up the latent content of the armor. The energy which held the armor together was usually inhibited destructiveness. This was shown by the fact that aggression immediately began to break free when the armor was penetrated."

 

[Amazoniac]

 

[AJC]

Hahahah This is great thanks!

The claim is bonobos have an orgy before any kind of tension,for example if they stumble on food and it's scarce they will,have an orgy of sort before eating the food. The reasons are highly debatable,stress of captivity for example could be exacerbating the situation. Even guys will engage in intercourse who were not necessarily appearing gay before.

For me the contemporary world has had massive tension building since the rise of the internet,the internet has shown all corners of the world to us all,I think ISIS for example is an extreme reaction to sexual tension,it's underlying drives are the enslavement of western women to rape them and control them.
All this processes,the drives underlying whether low energy or high energy manifest in creative ways,ISIS was a creative albeit low energy psychotic way to rape and carry out sexual desires.
Many People join the military with similar underlying drives which explains the astronomically levels of rape amongst the "allies" who are fighting the"axis of evil". The stress of war can cause it also to be fair.

The far right and far left in political movements are similarly driven by desire for sex,all different movements manifesting in creative ways h(ence the multitude of differing groups)low energy sexual drives. The far right want to dominate and rape humans,the far left have an airy fairy free and open orgy state,both are low energy solutions to an internal drive,natures wants to copulate because the organism as a whole is on the way out.
This behaviour is rampant in the academic community.

The canary in the cole mine was and is the rise of pornography use,it's extreme use that is.
These situations have happened in history I'm sure but not on this scale.

Why be so creative and psychotic with sexual drives? Bizarrely it seems humans are adhering to certain aspects of their culture,it's taboo to start an orgy at the office or local mosque/church(most anyway),the hilarity and comedy of human nature is we will go to extraordinary lengths hide true agendas from ourselves,our own psyche ,its monty phyton like.

Throw in any other extreme views and behaviour and imo a lack of intimacy and sexual interaction is at its core, spiritual gurus for example,health obsessed gurus who never discuss sex,never..... many of the secrets of the universe types on you tube,excessive intellectualising and fundamental reductionism etc

I think racism in most cases is driven by an subconscious sexual inferiority complex in the face of more sexual specimens and an atttraction to said specimens, initially inferior male thinks he is as attraction but desire is never matched therefore we get rage and hate from the rejection. The sexually inferior male also went into a rage when his women found men of another race more sexually desirable for example,this can set off a fractal pathology for centuries,beat it into the culture so women suppress desire for said superior male specimens under the mask of culture.

I speak with a male mind,the drives may be a touch different for women in some cases perhaps.

Pretty decent analysis I'd say. "Saharasia" by James Demeo is a research project based off the biological-psychological understanding of Reich's work and it echoes a lot of that but traces the historical and cultural development more rigorously.

 

[Sucrates]

To be fair it could've been something out of perverted (in a sense of ignoring boundaries) curiosity, but I don't know much about him. All I know is that this was going to be a potential client.

--
"I compared the stratification of the character with the stratification of geological deposits, which are also rigidified history. A conflict which is fought out at a certain age always leaves behind a trace in the person's character. This trace is revealed as a hardening of the character. It functions automatically and is difficult to eliminate. The patient does not experience it as something alien; more often than not, he is aware of it as a rigidification or as a loss of spontaneity. Every such layer of the character structure is a piece of the person's life history, preserved and active in the present in a different form. Experience showed that the old conflicts can be fairly easily reactivated through the loosening of these layers. If the layers of rigidified conflicts were especially numerous and functioned automatically, if they formed a compact, not easily penetrable unity, the patient felt them as an "armor" surrounding the living organism. This armor could lie on the "surface" or in the "depth," could be "as soft as a sponge" or "as hard as a rock." Its function in every case was to protect the person against unpleasurable experiences. However, it also entailed a reduction in the organism's capacity for pleasure. Experiences of severe conflict made up the latent content of the armor. The energy which held the armor together was usually inhibited destructiveness. This was shown by the fact that aggression immediately began to break free when the armor was penetrated."

Resistance, as with compliance, was seen as confirmation of the masters assertions.

"The seduction stories that provide the empirical basis of the Oedipal complex were a construction by Freud, who then interpreted his patients’ distress on hearing his constructions as proof of the theory. Freud then engaged in deception to obscure the fact that his patients’ stories were reconstructions and interpretations based on an a priori theory. Freud also retroactively changed the identity of the fancied seducers from non-family members (such as servants) because the Oedipal story required fathers. Esterson provides numerous other examples of deception (and self-deception) and notes that they were typically couched in Freud’s brilliant and highly convincing rhetorical style. Both Esterson (1992) and Lakoff and Coyne (1993, 83-86) show that Freud’s famous analysis of the teenage Dora (in which her rejection of the pedophilic sexual advances of an older married man is attributed to hysteria and sexual repression) was based entirely on preconceived ideas and circular reasoning in which the patient’s negative emotional response to the psychoanalytic hypothesis is construed as evidence for the hypothesis. Freud engaged in similar deceptive reconstructions in an earlier phase of his theory construction when he believed that seductions had actually occurred (Powell & Boer 1994). It was a methodology that could produce any desired result.

A particularly egregious tendency is to interpret patient resistance and distress as an indication of the truth of psychoanalytic claims. Of course, patients were not the only ones who resisted psychoanalysis, and all other forms of resistance were similarly an indication of the truth of psychoanalysis. As Freud himself noted, “I am met with hostility and live in such isolation that one must suppose I had discovered the greatest truths” (in Bonaparte, Freud & Kris 1957, 163). As we shall see, resistance to psychoanalytic “truth” on the part of patients, deviating psychoanalysts, and even entire cultures was viewed as a sure sign of the truth of psychoanalysis and the pathology of those who resisted.

Because of this reconstructive, interpretive manner of theory construction, the authority of the psychoanalyst became the only criterion of the truth of psychoanalytic claims—a situation that leads quite naturally to the expectation that the movement, in order to be successful, would necessarily be highly authoritarian."