Ray Peat On Donald Trump

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  1. jaguar43

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    You advertise positions for 20 an hour and you can't find decent applicants ? What kind of jobs are those ? Sounds a lot like the arguments that libertarians make when they say that the reason why corporations offshore jobs is because Americans workers can't do math. A few years ago, Tim Cook went on National television and stated that the reason why they manufacture in China is because China has more tool and die makers than the U.S I had to laugh at that argument. It nothing but lousy argument.
     
  2. jaguar43

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    Do you even know what third wordlism is ? News flash, the soviet union collapse, if you are still stuck in the 1950's.
     
  3. managing

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    Unskilled labor. No education, skills or prior experience required. What's your point? Oh, its that you don't believe me. I so wish I were lying. You looking for a job?
     
  4. jaguar43

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    Unless it's located in a place where drug addiction is a huge problem, I don't really believe your argument. They tried to build a state prison in West Virginia but couldn't hire anyone because everyone would fail the drug test, since a large portion of the population is on drugs. Other than those specific states and areas I don't see what you say as truthful. Not in response to the pay ( though I have seen skilled labor make less than that but it depends on the location) , but in response to not finding "qualified" people.

    But it's the same argument time and time again. Some how, the American people don't have this or that. Or they aren't "qualified" or "don't meet the requirements". Anyone can say pretty much anything on the internet. Unfortunately the real world doesn't reflect your story.
     
  5. zztr

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    The solution to your problem (pretending that you're not full of it) is to pay more money. Try $40 per hour. Still no need for a guest program.
     
  6. managing

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    If the jobs get filled, no guest worker visa. Easy how that works.

    Pay $40? Dude, you do realize it all comes back to you, right? The more the person who assembles your Chevy makes, the more expensive the Chevy is. Its a simple concept. ANd, although you'd like it to be "greedy owners/managers", you are just looking for somebody to blame for your own misery. If its not the rich or the Mexicans, who is to blame?
     
  7. managing

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    You've learned well to just make stuff up when there is nothing you can refute. I never said ***t about deficiencies of Americans. Did I? C'mon, be man (or woman) enough to admit it. I said that unemployment is ridiculously low. I said there are not enough candidates. I do have a right not to hire the ones whose previous employers say they are a POS, or who have a suspended license (job requires driving), or who are overqualified (because they won't stay long enough to make training worthwhile). I mean I do don't I? Have the right to hire only the candidates whom I judge to be fit? I mean this is still America, right? Not a planned economy? We aren't headed THERE are we . . .
     
  8. zztr

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    You have this odd misconception that the nation owes you a profitable business model. Raise wages until the positions are filled. If you can't do that, then shut down. Displacing Americans with imported slaves is not an option on the table.

    I'm doing rather well for myself, but I am not OK with pigs like you undermining the nation and mooching off my tax money. I hope ICE raids you and you do a stint in the can.
     
  9. managing

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    Oooh, the gloves come off :):. All I ever said is that I would be happy to hire legal guest workers. Slaves? C'mon man you can't be that ignorant. You're just angry. Reading Ray Peat's works may help you with that.
     
  10. zztr

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    Go do it in Dubai, or such a place. We don't do that here.
     
  11. managing

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    No? We don't do immigration here? I'm confused. I'm only a small % native american. Most of the rest is German and Irish. Should all of us immigrant descended people leave?
     
  12. Ahanu

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    No need to be bring this debate to such a Low Level!
     
  13. Queequeg

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    I’ll take that as a tap-out. The only thing unprincipled going on is to complain about being labeled and dehumanized while repeatedly labeling other people. Not admitting when you are proven wrong in an internet debate isn’t so principled either but not that surprising.
     
  14. managing

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    Peace brother. We aren't going to agree, and the conversation devolved into . . . well, not conversation.
     
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    Peace
     
  16. thomas00

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    In order for the theory you're talking about to be as immutable as the law of gravity you'd have to explain how it would occur regardless of the type of economic system in place. You haven't done that yet.
     
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    I'm of the view that people should be paid according to the skills they bring to the table and the risk they are faced with while doing the job.

    Business owners often make the argument they are entitled to more for two main reasons. The first being that they are taking more risk, having had to raise the capital and face the prospect of bankruptcy etc. I think that's a very weak argument when you take look at workplace deaths and injuries. It's always workers who make up those numbers and not CEOs and owners, so it's obvious who is taking the brunt of the risk. Most people would rather be bankrupt than dead or maimed. Also, when cuts need to made it's workers who are laid off not the upper management and owners so the risk of going without is higher for the worker.

    The second argument usually pertains to the amount of effort put in. Owners will claim they worked harder starting the business and had the initiative to create it in the first place etc. I think that argument is also pretty dead in the water when you look at the figures on the enormous amount of unpaid overtime workers are putting in. Starting a business might take long hours but over the long run the bosses are putting in less because they've employed people specifically to do the work for them.

    The gap between earnings for workers vs bosses might not be as bad in smaller businesses but I think that is purely a matter of the smaller revenue that's being generated by those businesses rather than a higher ethical standard. I think if you asked most people who has more power- the workers or the bosses, they would scoff at any suggestion that it was the former and not the latter. The only way workers were able to increase their workplace safety standards and pay has historically been through threat of strike or legally compelling bosses via the state, or by getting rid of both.
     
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    Since you are the one challenging a basic economic principle, I think it is up to you to show where it doesn’t hold true. I don’t think even Karl Marx, as confused as he was, ever disavowed the laws of supply and demand.
     
  19. Queequeg

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    What if I don't want to pay 100 grand to re-roof my house? Roofing being in the top ten of most dangerous jobs. And how much should all the storm troopers be paid to enforce all of your utopian ideals and man the police state? Pure fantasy.
     
  20. thomas00

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    It's pretty obvious that wages can increase if there is no longer a parasitic class hoovering up more than their fair share.

    The principles you talk about are just dogmas and ideological impositions. There's a reason why economics is ridiculed as pseudoscience.
     
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