A.R

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From personal experience what dosages have people found to be most effective for sustained hormone levels?
 

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For the people who have seen positive effects from this, how long did it take? Seems like people notice a difference after first application, or am I wrong?

I'm on day 5 and haven't felt a thing
 

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After 5 days of use + magnoil occassionally I was able to go from Total T of 660 to 1,000 ng/dl and my free T went above range! Unfortunately libido and erections have not really improved...
I share more in depth about my experience on this thread: My experience raising serum androgens
 

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After 5 days of use + magnoil occassionally I was able to go from Total T of 660 to 1,000 ng/dl and my free T went above range! Unfortunately libido and erections have not really improved...
I share more in depth about my experience on this thread: My experience raising serum androgens
Is it normal to go from 600 to 1000 test and experience no improvement in libido? If it’s not normal, what are the likely biological reasons that would stop that improvement?
 

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Is it normal to go from 600 to 1000 test and experience no improvement in libido? If it’s not normal, what are the likely biological reasons that would stop that improvement?
Without a doubt regular porn and masturbation will cause this
 

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This must be pretty discouraging then. I'm sorry for your struggles.

Are you happy in general and happy with life?
Honestly emotions have really been up and down lately as this has been an issue for many years and only seems to be getting worse despite showing no signs of vascular issues or hormonal issues now
 

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Honestly emotions have really been up and down lately as this has been an issue for many years and only seems to be getting worse despite showing no signs of vascular issues or hormonal issues now

I think emotional issues can definitely play a part in erection quality and libido. I personally have found great freedom in talking about life with a counselor if that's something you can afford or are interested in doing.

You got to find someone who is a good fit for you though. I think I went to 3 different counselors over the years before I found one who is absolutely amazing
 

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I think emotional issues can definitely play a part in erection quality and libido. I personally have found great freedom in talking about life with a counselor if that's something you can afford or are interested in doing.

You got to find someone who is a good fit for you though. I think I went to 3 different counselors over the years before I found one who is absolutely amazing
Yes something I should definitely look into
Thanks
 

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Any updates with scrotum applications from users? I’ll be trying a 1:1 andro pansterone and doing bloods for correcting low free t low free dht labs
 

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Any updates with scrotum applications from users? I’ll be trying a 1:1 andro pansterone and doing bloods for correcting low free t low free dht labs
I would suggest starting with k2 and pansterone
Not androsterone on balls
 

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Any updates with scrotum applications from users? I’ll be trying a 1:1 andro pansterone and doing bloods for low free t low free dht labs
I would suggest starting with k2 and pansterone
Not androsterone on balls
yeah andro probably a little to powerful for estrogen antagonism. Maybe navel for andro
 

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Would love and appreciate seeing this answered @haidut
I have had amazing success with massively increased libido using the Vitamin K and Pansterone on scrotum. Because I am currently single I have to take 2-3 day breaks from it because all I can think about is sex after a few days of applying it daily. It’s the kind of crazy sex drive I had in my late teens early twenties (I’m currently 53). I’ve read this entire 20 page thread at least 4 times and I think some clarification would help a lot of people. On another thread I had asked you what you estimated the absorption percentage to be with the new ethanol formulation of Pansterone. You had replied (and I’m paraphrasing) “approximately 50%”. A lot of the scrotum application instructions for drops/mg and application frequency in this thread were made during the time that Pansterone was using DMSO with a much higher absorption rate. I have seen recommendations in this thread for once a day application, once a day 3 times a week application, and also multiple times a day application. This is all very confusing. I don’t want to make this too complex of a question and obviously there are too many variables to come up with a precise dosing recommendation, but using the new ethanol version of Pansterone could you give some recommendations on the following factitious subject:

Sex: Male
Weight: 100 lbs
Testicle weight: average

I’m using the round number of 100 lbs so that people can do the math to increase dosage if it is based on weight. Also used “average” testicle weight so that people can apply less or more depending their testicles weight.

I guess the things that I have noticed that need clarification are:

How many applications per day:
How many drops/mg:
How many days per week:

And thank you for bringing these products to market. I tried everything I could over a 5 year period to regain my libido and these products did it. I’m so grateful to you and all you have done to help this community.

Bump. @haidut i would also like to know what the topical-oral dose equivalency is for the most current version of pansterone.
 

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Gonads can also produce progesterone, and I think Kuinone can stimulate that pathway. So, you could be getting that progesterone effect, which is of course sedating. I have seen people hit 800 ng/dl levels of T with 4-5 drops Pansterone applied to the scrotum and 45mg oral vitamin K2 (MK-4). So, the results should be pretty similar.
Hi there haidut, I have been reading and researching this extensively. I have been desperately trying to increase my rats androgens. My rat is definitely hypogonadal. I've done a few tests lately. Total testosterone 266 ng/dl free T 5 ng/dl. Also did a cortisol test which was very low. The rat had very high estradiol in the, '50s. Have not done a prolactin test. So, I started to put the rat on trt, 50mg twice weekly. First week noticed a big boost in libido. After that libido tanked filling flat for several weeks. And then again had a few more libido boost. Nothing really major until I started scrotum application using progesterone, pregnenolone, DHEA and MK4. Using all these in high doses. And let me tell you it is made a huge difference. Trt did not give the rat morning wood. But when I started the other protocol I have been consistently getting morning wood. I think also quitting alcohol has also made a difference for my rat. I have yet to do a testosterone blood test again but will soon. I just want to say thanks for all the research you do and all the supplements you sell for research purposes only. They really make a difference.
 

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Hi there haidut, I have been reading and researching this extensively. I have been desperately trying to increase my rats androgens. My rat is definitely hypogonadal. I've done a few tests lately. Total testosterone 266 ng/dl free T 5 ng/dl. Also did a cortisol test which was very low. The rat had very high estradiol in the, '50s. Have not done a prolactin test. So, I started to put the rat on trt, 50mg twice weekly. First week noticed a big boost in libido. After that libido tanked filling flat for several weeks. And then again had a few more libido boost. Nothing really major until I started scrotum application using progesterone, pregnenolone, DHEA and MK4. Using all these in high doses. And let me tell you it is made a huge difference. Trt did not give the rat morning wood. But when I started the other protocol I have been consistently getting morning wood. I think also quitting alcohol has also made a difference for my rat. I have yet to do a testosterone blood test again but will soon. I just want to say thanks for all the research you do and all the supplements you sell for research purposes only. They really make a difference.
Hello bro, could you share with us the transdermal dosages you are using? I mean for the progesterone, pregnenolone, DHEA and MK4. Thanks.
 

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