PUFA, Iodine, Mucus

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The capillary defect is produced by an interaction of inflammatory cells and mediators, including leukocytes, cytokines, oxygen radicals, complement and arachidonate metabolites, that damages the endothelium and allows fluid and proteins to leak.

Adult Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS)


Maybe less PUFA means less need for iodine. PUFA is involved in inflammation – ARDS

COVID-19/SARS may be due simply to serum PUFA and its peroxidation

COVID-19/SARS may be due simply to serum PUFA and its peroxidation – To Extract Knowledge from Matter



Polyunsaturated fats – In Food, In Everything

Using iodine is one of the methods for determining how unsaturated an oil is. The number of grams of iodine absorbed by 100 grams of a given oil is called the iodine value. You can read about it more on Wikipedia here. The more unsaturated the more iodine it absorbs – some very unsaturated oils actually absorb more grams of iodine than their own mass.

Unsaturated fatty acids are the those containing carbon-carbon double bonds. Iodine atoms react across the carbon-carbon bonds. The iodine will attach itself over a double bond to make a single bond where an iodine atom is now attached to each carbon atom. Higher iodine numbers do not refer to the amount of iodine in the oil, but rather the amount of iodine needed to “saturate” the oil, or break all the double bonds (23). Therefore, the more unsaturated, the more iodine it takes to break all the double bonds.

Most Peat-arians know the value of Saturated oils – those without double-bonds that resist becoming peroxides or hydrogenated at high temperatures. They are also are well-versed in the dangers associated with high polyunsaturated fat intake due to their effects on the thyroid gland, inflammation, and blood sugar metabolism. Every gram of our favorite soybean oil absorbs between 1.2 and 1.36 grams of iodine. Yes, you read that right. 1.36 GRAMS! (19)

Linoleic Acid Becomes Similar to Stearic Acid

Linoleic Acid Becomes Similar to Stearic Acid

This means if my body is 20% body fat (18 kilograms), let’s be generous and say that it is 40% fully saturated (similar to cocoa butter – see table here), my body fat is capable of absorbing 18,000 grams * .40 = 7200 grams of iodine. If I were fully made up of our good friend coconut oil, my body fat would only absorb 18,000 *.12 = 2160 grams of iodine. This example may be a red herring, but it goes to show that essentially the more fat you eat, especially the more unsaturated fat you eat, the more iodine you may need in your diet.

Iodine Revisited: Is There Something There? - Scott Schlegel

Iodine value - Wikipedia



“One of the best-known free radical scavenging substances that has been widely used as a drug is iodide. It has been used to treat asthma, parasites, syphilis, cancer, Graves’ disease, periodontal disease, and arteriosclerosis. Diseases that produce tissue overgrowth associated with inflammation--granulomas--have been treated with iodides, and although the iodide doesn’t necessarily kill the germ, it does help to break down and remove the granuloma. Leprosy and syphilis were among the diseases involving granulomas* that were treated in this way. In the case of tuberculosis, it has been suggested that iodides combine with unsaturated fatty acids which inhibit proteolytic enzymes, and thus allow for the removal of the abnormal tissue.

In experimental animals, iodide clearly delays the appearance of cataracts. (Buchberger, et al., 199l.)

Inflammation, edema, and free radical production are closely linked, and are produced by most things that interfere with energy production.

Endotoxin, produced by bacteria, mainly in the intestine, disrupts energy production, and promotes maladaptive inflammation. The wide spectrum of benefit that iodide has, especially in diseases with an inflammatory component, suggests first that it protects tissue by blocking free radical damage, but it also suggests the possibility that it might specifically protect against endotoxin.”


The simplest way to visualize the effect of carbon dioxide on mucopolysaccharides is to think of its action as an expectorant, in which it decreases the viscosity of bronchial mucus, allowing it to be reabsorbed or expelled. Since iodide also has a long history of use as an expectorant, we should compare the effects of carbon dioxide and carbonic acid with the effects of iodide in other situations.

The sea cucumber has been used to study the physical properties of connective tissue, and it has been found that certain salts tend to soften the connective tissues, but that iodide doesn't. The well-established use of iodide to resolve granulomas, even when it doesn't eliminate the infectious agent, might suggest that it is protecting against something which is disrupting the connective tissue structure. The only publications I have seen that presented clear evidence of the disappearance of arteriosclerosis involved treatment with iodides.

In the retina, blood vessels can be seen to return to their normal appearance following a course of iodide treatment. Besides its possible direct effects on the mucins, iodide might help to eliminate calcium from the walls of blood vessels, since calcium iodide is very soluble. In aging, connective tissue becomes hardened by chemical cross-linking of the large molecules. If amino groups are well saturated with carbon dioxide, this type of reaction should be inhibited (Carbon dioxide also inhibits the production of free radicals, which are involved in some types of cross-linking reactions.) The waterlogged condition seen during shock or stress in blood vessels, lungs, and other organs, and the edema of the brain and cataracts of the lenses that follow metabolic impairments of various sorts, seem to involve the uptake of "free" water, at the same time that "bound" (unfreezable) water is lost.

Carbon dioxide seems to promote the retention of bound water, and protects against the edematous conditions. The swelling of muscles during hypoxic stress probably represents the basic process, in which lactic acid and pH increase, while C02, is lost. - Ray Peat `MUCUS, MUCINS, AND MYOPIA`



Large doses of vitamin A and potassium iodide have been used separately and together to promote general immunity, also to treat fungus infections; I suspect that an effect of iodide is to protect against the toxicity of unsaturated fatty acids. - Ray Peat `IMMUNITY, HORMONES and YEAST INFECTION`

….


Other anti-thyroid foods are peanuts, soybeans, raw cabbage, radishes, broccoli, cauliflower, unsaturated oils (such as safflower, corn, cottonseed. and soy oils), and an excess of iodine. Amygdalin (nitrilosides, laetrile) which occurs in many nuts, seeds and grains, is also a thyroid inhibitor. Because iodate is used as a "dough conditioner" (to make bread water-heavy). the American eater often gets ten times more iodine than is recommended.

Combined with unsaturated oils, as organic iodides, excess iodine can powerfully inhibit the thyroid. Manganese is needed to synthesize thyroxin so, a deficiency an interfere with thyroid function (coffee is a major source of manganese. and caffeine also stimulates the thyroid). - Ray Peat



ARTERIOSCLEROSIS – Ray Peat

“The American Dietetic Association warns about overdosing with kelp. because of the iodide; but the Japanese eat various iodide-rich h seaweeds without the thyroid problems the A.D.A says might occur on the kelp-lecithin-vinegar B6 diet. In the U.S. people who eat bakery bread receive about 10 times more than the RDA of iodine. Iodides are known to benefit arteriosclerosis. with visible improvement occurring in blood vessels in the retina (see Physicians’ Desk Reference, iodides). In old age, the walls of blood vessels tend to become hardened with calcium. In at least some tissues, it is known that calcification begins in degenerating mitochondria, and mitochondria tend to deteriorate in aging tissue. Nutrients such as iodine, vitamin E, magnesium and vitamin B2 are especially important for maintaining the function of the mitochondria, which produce most of our energy. An excess of iodine from bread or kelp is much more likely to interfere with the thyroid when the diet contains a large amount of unsaturated fat. such as safflower or soy oil. because these combine with iodine to form substances which inhibit the thyroid. These oils in themselves suppress the thyroid, and this might be a factor in the premature aging and increased cancer rate which have been observed in people who use larger amounts of those oils.

Atherosclerotic damage (fatty deposits) of blood vessels is made worse by sugar supposedly, since insulin is involved in cholesterol damage. There is evidence that lecithin and other phospholipids protect the body against fatty degeneration.

Eggs for several reasons might actively protect against the formation of cholesterol deposits. One of the men who discovered insulin, Best, later showed that choline (a component of lecithin) can prevent fatty degeneration of the liver. Very large doses of biotin cause experimental animals to develop fatty livers (developing into liver cancer). but this effect can be offset by feeding the animal another B vitamin. inositol. Some of these effects have been known for about half a century, but too many " health professionals" are still pretending that no valid data exist. Maybe we should start asking whether these " health professionals" have a valid existence.”

….

The Myth of Iodine Deficiency: An Interview with Dr. Ray Peat

Is iodine supplementation safe and, if not, is there a safe amount of supplemental iodine?

Dr. Peat: “A dosage of 150 mcg (micrograms, not milligrams, e.g., ug not mg) is a safe amount of iodine. There are excellent references describing the effect of a moderate iodine excess (even below a milligram per day) on the thyroid. An iodine deficiency can cause hypothyroidism (rare now), but so can an excess. Iodine deficiency is an unusual cause of hypothyroidism, except in a few places, like the mountains of Mexico and China, and the Andes.

“Most goiters now are from estrogen-like effects, but they used to be from iodine deficiency. Chronic excess iodine tends to cause thyroiditis, regardless of the gland’s size. The amounts used by Abraham and Flechas are much larger than this — very toxic doses, enough to cause severe thyroid problems.”

Is the Iodine Test Kit (from Dr. Abraham) valid and does it reveal thyroid deficiency?

“Guy Abraham and some of his followers claim that an iodine deficiency can be shown by the quick disappearance of a spot of iodine painted on the skin. The skin test of iodine deficiency is completely unscientific. Iodine is converted to colorless iodide by reductants, including vitamin C, glutathione, and thiosulphate. “G. Abraham’s Iodine Test Kit contains iodine overdose pills. The test is completely irrational. It implies that the body should be saturated with iodine.”

Is there a rational way to determine iodine deficiency or excess?

“It’s easy to recognize a chronic iodine deficiency, because it causes the thyroid gland to enlarge. Goiters can be caused in various ways, for example by being exposed to various goitrogens, including excess iodine, or by excessive estrogen and deficient progesterone, as well as by an iodine deficiency. “However, a chronic excess of iodine is harder to recognize, because it can produce a variety of degenerative changes. Measurement of the average daily iodine intake or excretion in the urine would be needed to confirm an excess. High iodine intake can suppress TSH, and since high TSH is pro-inflammatory, the iodine can have some protective anti-inflammatory actions, but in the long run, the thyroid suppression becomes a problem.”

To Your Health – July 2008 by Lita Lee

Also:


Mary Shomon: Do you think the majority of people with hypothyroidism get too much or too little iodine? Should people with hypothyroidism add more iodine, like kelp, seaweeds, etc.?

Dr. Ray Peat: 30 years ago, it was found that people in the US were getting about ten times more iodine than they needed. In the mountains of Mexico and in the Andes, and in a few other remote places, iodine deficiency still exists. Kelp and other sources of excess iodine can suppress the thyroid, so they definitely shouldn’t be used to treat hypothyroidism.

https://www.functionalps.com/blog/2...ine-deficiency-an-interview-with-dr-ray-peat/
 

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The capillary defect is produced by an interaction of inflammatory cells and mediators, including leukocytes, cytokines, oxygen radicals, complement and arachidonate metabolites, that damages the endothelium and allows fluid and proteins to leak.

Adult Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS)


Maybe less PUFA means less need for iodine. PUFA is involved in inflammation – ARDS

COVID-19/SARS may be due simply to serum PUFA and its peroxidation

COVID-19/SARS may be due simply to serum PUFA and its peroxidation – To Extract Knowledge from Matter



Polyunsaturated fats – In Food, In Everything

Using iodine is one of the methods for determining how unsaturated an oil is. The number of grams of iodine absorbed by 100 grams of a given oil is called the iodine value. You can read about it more on Wikipedia here. The more unsaturated the more iodine it absorbs – some very unsaturated oils actually absorb more grams of iodine than their own mass.

Unsaturated fatty acids are the those containing carbon-carbon double bonds. Iodine atoms react across the carbon-carbon bonds. The iodine will attach itself over a double bond to make a single bond where an iodine atom is now attached to each carbon atom. Higher iodine numbers do not refer to the amount of iodine in the oil, but rather the amount of iodine needed to “saturate” the oil, or break all the double bonds (23). Therefore, the more unsaturated, the more iodine it takes to break all the double bonds.

Most Peat-arians know the value of Saturated oils – those without double-bonds that resist becoming peroxides or hydrogenated at high temperatures. They are also are well-versed in the dangers associated with high polyunsaturated fat intake due to their effects on the thyroid gland, inflammation, and blood sugar metabolism. Every gram of our favorite soybean oil absorbs between 1.2 and 1.36 grams of iodine. Yes, you read that right. 1.36 GRAMS! (19)

Linoleic Acid Becomes Similar to Stearic Acid

Linoleic Acid Becomes Similar to Stearic Acid

This means if my body is 20% body fat (18 kilograms), let’s be generous and say that it is 40% fully saturated (similar to cocoa butter – see table here), my body fat is capable of absorbing 18,000 grams * .40 = 7200 grams of iodine. If I were fully made up of our good friend coconut oil, my body fat would only absorb 18,000 *.12 = 2160 grams of iodine. This example may be a red herring, but it goes to show that essentially the more fat you eat, especially the more unsaturated fat you eat, the more iodine you may need in your diet.

Iodine Revisited: Is There Something There? - Scott Schlegel

Iodine value - Wikipedia



“One of the best-known free radical scavenging substances that has been widely used as a drug is iodide. It has been used to treat asthma, parasites, syphilis, cancer, Graves’ disease, periodontal disease, and arteriosclerosis. Diseases that produce tissue overgrowth associated with inflammation--granulomas--have been treated with iodides, and although the iodide doesn’t necessarily kill the germ, it does help to break down and remove the granuloma. Leprosy and syphilis were among the diseases involving granulomas* that were treated in this way. In the case of tuberculosis, it has been suggested that iodides combine with unsaturated fatty acids which inhibit proteolytic enzymes, and thus allow for the removal of the abnormal tissue.

In experimental animals, iodide clearly delays the appearance of cataracts. (Buchberger, et al., 199l.)

Inflammation, edema, and free radical production are closely linked, and are produced by most things that interfere with energy production.

Endotoxin, produced by bacteria, mainly in the intestine, disrupts energy production, and promotes maladaptive inflammation. The wide spectrum of benefit that iodide has, especially in diseases with an inflammatory component, suggests first that it protects tissue by blocking free radical damage, but it also suggests the possibility that it might specifically protect against endotoxin.”


The simplest way to visualize the effect of carbon dioxide on mucopolysaccharides is to think of its action as an expectorant, in which it decreases the viscosity of bronchial mucus, allowing it to be reabsorbed or expelled. Since iodide also has a long history of use as an expectorant, we should compare the effects of carbon dioxide and carbonic acid with the effects of iodide in other situations.

The sea cucumber has been used to study the physical properties of connective tissue, and it has been found that certain salts tend to soften the connective tissues, but that iodide doesn't. The well-established use of iodide to resolve granulomas, even when it doesn't eliminate the infectious agent, might suggest that it is protecting against something which is disrupting the connective tissue structure. The only publications I have seen that presented clear evidence of the disappearance of arteriosclerosis involved treatment with iodides.

In the retina, blood vessels can be seen to return to their normal appearance following a course of iodide treatment. Besides its possible direct effects on the mucins, iodide might help to eliminate calcium from the walls of blood vessels, since calcium iodide is very soluble. In aging, connective tissue becomes hardened by chemical cross-linking of the large molecules. If amino groups are well saturated with carbon dioxide, this type of reaction should be inhibited (Carbon dioxide also inhibits the production of free radicals, which are involved in some types of cross-linking reactions.) The waterlogged condition seen during shock or stress in blood vessels, lungs, and other organs, and the edema of the brain and cataracts of the lenses that follow metabolic impairments of various sorts, seem to involve the uptake of "free" water, at the same time that "bound" (unfreezable) water is lost.

Carbon dioxide seems to promote the retention of bound water, and protects against the edematous conditions. The swelling of muscles during hypoxic stress probably represents the basic process, in which lactic acid and pH increase, while C02, is lost. - Ray Peat `MUCUS, MUCINS, AND MYOPIA`



Large doses of vitamin A and potassium iodide have been used separately and together to promote general immunity, also to treat fungus infections; I suspect that an effect of iodide is to protect against the toxicity of unsaturated fatty acids. - Ray Peat `IMMUNITY, HORMONES and YEAST INFECTION`

….


Other anti-thyroid foods are peanuts, soybeans, raw cabbage, radishes, broccoli, cauliflower, unsaturated oils (such as safflower, corn, cottonseed. and soy oils), and an excess of iodine. Amygdalin (nitrilosides, laetrile) which occurs in many nuts, seeds and grains, is also a thyroid inhibitor. Because iodate is used as a "dough conditioner" (to make bread water-heavy). the American eater often gets ten times more iodine than is recommended.

Combined with unsaturated oils, as organic iodides, excess iodine can powerfully inhibit the thyroid. Manganese is needed to synthesize thyroxin so, a deficiency an interfere with thyroid function (coffee is a major source of manganese. and caffeine also stimulates the thyroid). - Ray Peat



ARTERIOSCLEROSIS – Ray Peat

“The American Dietetic Association warns about overdosing with kelp. because of the iodide; but the Japanese eat various iodide-rich h seaweeds without the thyroid problems the A.D.A says might occur on the kelp-lecithin-vinegar B6 diet. In the U.S. people who eat bakery bread receive about 10 times more than the RDA of iodine. Iodides are known to benefit arteriosclerosis. with visible improvement occurring in blood vessels in the retina (see Physicians’ Desk Reference, iodides). In old age, the walls of blood vessels tend to become hardened with calcium. In at least some tissues, it is known that calcification begins in degenerating mitochondria, and mitochondria tend to deteriorate in aging tissue. Nutrients such as iodine, vitamin E, magnesium and vitamin B2 are especially important for maintaining the function of the mitochondria, which produce most of our energy. An excess of iodine from bread or kelp is much more likely to interfere with the thyroid when the diet contains a large amount of unsaturated fat. such as safflower or soy oil. because these combine with iodine to form substances which inhibit the thyroid. These oils in themselves suppress the thyroid, and this might be a factor in the premature aging and increased cancer rate which have been observed in people who use larger amounts of those oils.

Atherosclerotic damage (fatty deposits) of blood vessels is made worse by sugar supposedly, since insulin is involved in cholesterol damage. There is evidence that lecithin and other phospholipids protect the body against fatty degeneration.

Eggs for several reasons might actively protect against the formation of cholesterol deposits. One of the men who discovered insulin, Best, later showed that choline (a component of lecithin) can prevent fatty degeneration of the liver. Very large doses of biotin cause experimental animals to develop fatty livers (developing into liver cancer). but this effect can be offset by feeding the animal another B vitamin. inositol. Some of these effects have been known for about half a century, but too many " health professionals" are still pretending that no valid data exist. Maybe we should start asking whether these " health professionals" have a valid existence.”

….

The Myth of Iodine Deficiency: An Interview with Dr. Ray Peat

Is iodine supplementation safe and, if not, is there a safe amount of supplemental iodine?

Dr. Peat: “A dosage of 150 mcg (micrograms, not milligrams, e.g., ug not mg) is a safe amount of iodine. There are excellent references describing the effect of a moderate iodine excess (even below a milligram per day) on the thyroid. An iodine deficiency can cause hypothyroidism (rare now), but so can an excess. Iodine deficiency is an unusual cause of hypothyroidism, except in a few places, like the mountains of Mexico and China, and the Andes.

“Most goiters now are from estrogen-like effects, but they used to be from iodine deficiency. Chronic excess iodine tends to cause thyroiditis, regardless of the gland’s size. The amounts used by Abraham and Flechas are much larger than this — very toxic doses, enough to cause severe thyroid problems.”

Is the Iodine Test Kit (from Dr. Abraham) valid and does it reveal thyroid deficiency?

“Guy Abraham and some of his followers claim that an iodine deficiency can be shown by the quick disappearance of a spot of iodine painted on the skin. The skin test of iodine deficiency is completely unscientific. Iodine is converted to colorless iodide by reductants, including vitamin C, glutathione, and thiosulphate. “G. Abraham’s Iodine Test Kit contains iodine overdose pills. The test is completely irrational. It implies that the body should be saturated with iodine.”

Is there a rational way to determine iodine deficiency or excess?

“It’s easy to recognize a chronic iodine deficiency, because it causes the thyroid gland to enlarge. Goiters can be caused in various ways, for example by being exposed to various goitrogens, including excess iodine, or by excessive estrogen and deficient progesterone, as well as by an iodine deficiency. “However, a chronic excess of iodine is harder to recognize, because it can produce a variety of degenerative changes. Measurement of the average daily iodine intake or excretion in the urine would be needed to confirm an excess. High iodine intake can suppress TSH, and since high TSH is pro-inflammatory, the iodine can have some protective anti-inflammatory actions, but in the long run, the thyroid suppression becomes a problem.”

To Your Health – July 2008 by Lita Lee

Also:


Mary Shomon: Do you think the majority of people with hypothyroidism get too much or too little iodine? Should people with hypothyroidism add more iodine, like kelp, seaweeds, etc.?

Dr. Ray Peat: 30 years ago, it was found that people in the US were getting about ten times more iodine than they needed. In the mountains of Mexico and in the Andes, and in a few other remote places, iodine deficiency still exists. Kelp and other sources of excess iodine can suppress the thyroid, so they definitely shouldn’t be used to treat hypothyroidism.

The Myth of Iodine Deficiency: An Interview with Dr. Ray Peat – Functional Performance Systems (FPS)
So, it`s clear that dr Peat is against the iodine doctors. But, he speaks positively about Iodide. Does he mean Potassium Iodide?
 

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Guy Abraham and some of his followers claim that an iodine deficiency can be shown by the quick disappearance of a spot of iodine painted on the skin
This as far as I understand is a false statement. Having looked at iodine and its proponents closely it seems they have done their research pretty damn well . As far as I am aware they do not advocate this as a definitive test. So I would probably be inclined to think that Ray Peat has not looked into the nuances, if he did make that statement. May be he has, I do not know. Given the very nature in which we get the knowledge from him that is through interviews, rather than a conversation ( where we can potentially stop him and clarify the extent to which he has got into the subject) we will continue to be in the dark or confused about certain subjects.
 
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So, it`s clear that dr Peat is against the iodine doctors. But, he speaks positively about Iodide. Does he mean Potassium Iodide?
I remember from a 2011 interview when asked about fukushima, he mentioned that in conditions of fallout, potassium iodide can be protective.
 

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Diseases that produce tissue overgrowth associated with inflammation--granulomas--have been treated with iodides, and although the iodide doesn’t necessarily kill the germ, it does help to break down and remove the granuloma. Leprosy and syphilis were among the diseases involving granulomas* that were treated in this way. In the case of tuberculosis, it has been suggested that iodides combine with unsaturated fatty acids which inhibit proteolytic enzymes, and thus allow for the removal of the abnormal tissue.

The simplest way to visualize the effect of carbon dioxide on mucopolysaccharides is to think of its action as an expectorant, in which it decreases the viscosity of bronchial mucus, allowing it to be reabsorbed or expelled. Since iodide also has a long history of use as an expectorant, we should compare the effects of carbon dioxide and carbonic acid with the effects of iodide in other situations.

The sea cucumber has been used to study the physical properties of connective tissue, and it has been found that certain salts tend to soften the connective tissues, but that iodide doesn't. The well-established use of iodide to resolve granulomas, even when it doesn't eliminate the infectious agent, might suggest that it is protecting against something which is disrupting the connective tissue structure. The only publications I have seen that presented clear evidence of the disappearance of arteriosclerosis involved treatment with iodides.

Besides its possible direct effects on the mucins, iodide might help to eliminate calcium from the walls of blood vessels, since calcium iodide is very soluble. In aging, connective tissue becomes hardened by chemical cross-linking of the large molecules. If amino groups are well saturated with carbon dioxide, this type of reaction should be inhibited (Carbon dioxide also inhibits the production of free radicals, which are involved in some types of cross-linking reactions.)

These could provide the answer to keloids. As I look back, I can remember myself being easily fatigued from short runs. No matter how much I trained, I felt I was not training hard enough. But I now see that to be a time when I was severely hypoxemic and hypoxic, and easily given to producing lactic acid and little carbon dioxide. It didn't help that I had 11 mercury fillings. The mercury would leach into my system, and would attach to the heme in hemoglobin, and displace oxygen, limiting my blood's ability to carry oxygen. I didn't know then that I was hypoxemic (and conventional doctor are dumb asses). I wonder now how my spO2 would look at my most hypoxemic state then.

I've begun applying Lugol's Iodine on two of my largest keloids 3 weeks ago, and I'm seeing some changes in the texture as they soften. The color is also lightening up from a dark reddish brown to the appearance more like flesh. I'll keep on with this until I see a real flattening. It also helps that my metabolism has improved since then, and that I have been running a lot on oxiative phoshorylation, as seen by better acid-base balance, with my urine pH tests as surrogates for blood/ecf pH.

If and when my experiment with Lugol's on my keloids is over, and hopefully successfully, I can start with carbon dioxide baths, with a rubber suit that wraps me in CO2, and see how the therapy will turn out for my other keloids. I'm hoping it will be successful. If it is, then I can apply this on a deeper level, on fibrosis, which I suspect has developed in my kidneys (and possibly liver and heart). I will be able to tell when it makes a significant impact in lowering my blood pressure.
 
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@yerrag Update please on below;

I've begun applying Lugol's Iodine on two of my largest keloids 3 weeks ago, and I'm seeing some changes in the texture as they soften. The color is also lightening up from a dark reddish brown to the appearance more like flesh. I'll keep on with this until I see a real flattening
 
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Regarding this;
ARTERIOSCLEROSIS – Ray Peat

“The American Dietetic Association warns about overdosing with kelp. because of the iodide; but the Japanese eat various iodide-rich h seaweeds without the thyroid problems the A.D.A says might occur on the kelp-lecithin-vinegar B6 diet. In the U.S. people who eat bakery bread receive about 10 times more than the RDA of iodine. Iodides are known to benefit arteriosclerosis. with visible improvement occurring in blood vessels in the retina (see Physicians’ Desk Reference, iodides). In old age, the walls of blood vessels tend to become hardened with calcium. In at least some tissues, it is known that calcification begins in degenerating mitochondria, and mitochondria tend to deteriorate in aging tissue. Nutrients such as iodine, vitamin E, magnesium and vitamin B2 are especially important for maintaining the function of the mitochondria, which produce most of our energy. An excess of iodine from bread or kelp is much more likely to interfere with the thyroid when the diet contains a large amount of unsaturated fat. such as safflower or soy oil. because these combine with iodine to form substances which inhibit the thyroid. These oils in themselves suppress the thyroid, and this might be a factor in the premature aging and increased cancer rate which have been observed in people who use larger amounts of those oils.

But doesn't bread in the USA now contain potassium bromate, which competes with Iodine?
 

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Anecdote:
Last week I helped a friend renewing 3 rooms in his house.

An old house, obviously water damaged here and there... mold hiding in some places. Not beyond hope but when you pull off the tapestry, floor and stuff one get exposed to a lot of moldy dust.

When I came home I actually craved taking a quarter spoon of my vitamin A acetat powder. Haven’t used that in quite a while. No rational thought about fungus and A-treatment, maybe subconscious bias.

And I also felt like drinking a few drops of Lugols two days after. Same pattern.
 
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Anecdote:
Last week I helped a friend renewing 3 rooms in his house.

An old house, obviously water damaged here and there... mold hiding in some places. Not beyond hope but when you pull off the tapestry, floor and stuff one get exposed to a lot of moldy dust.

When I came home I actually craved taking a quarter spoon of my vitamin A acetat powder. Haven’t used that in quite a while. No rational thought about fungus and A-treatment, maybe subconscious bias.

And I also felt like drinking a few drops of Lucila two days after. Same pattern.

@LeeLemonoil Interesting, I hope you wore a mask? Excuse my ignorance but what is Lucila, never heard of it!
 
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And I just came across this;
Once a person is severely iodine deficient, even moderate amounts of Vitamin A Palmitate (without sufficient iodine) can worsen symptoms.

Single serving of many foods (cereals, energy bars, multi-vitamins, supplements) are fortified with 50 to 100% of the RDA of Vitamin A. If these foods do not contain enough iodine, depletion will occur.
Vitamin A Palmitate causes Iodine Deficiency.

Now that is extremely worrying.
 

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@LeeLemonoil Interesting, I hope you wore a mask? Excuse my ignorance but what is Lucila, never heard of it!

Typo. Lugols.
Later on I wore one, yes. At first not. I’ve been in so many moldy stables and shack, animal excrements... cones with being a vet. I somewhat got used to everything fungal, moldy, musty - but if it’s too much I wear filter masks, yes
 

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@yerrag Update please on below;

I've begun applying Lugol's Iodine on two of my largest keloids 3 weeks ago, and I'm seeing some changes in the texture as they soften. The color is also lightening up from a dark reddish brown to the appearance more like flesh. I'll keep on with this until I see a real flattening
There's some softening, but the rate is glacial. I'm not sure if I'll die first before it finishes the job lol
 

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