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PUFA Detox

Discussion in 'Polyunsaturated Fats, Seed Oils' started by Birdie, Dec 18, 2012.

  1. Birdie

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    This ^^ is a quote that I wrote on an index card last March 1. I think it is a quote from one of the interviews. I didn't note which one. Sorry about that.

    Then, I wrote this which cut off at the end:
    Well, I've been thinking about pufa storage and how we get rid of them.
    Glad to find this info on one of my cards that I unpacked today. I have a lot of good stuff on cards. :)

    Does anybody know how Peat says pufas might not be released during stress? High blood levels of what would aid? Niacinamide? Vit E? Sugar? All of these and more?
     
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    Great thread Birdie.
     
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    I'm guessing aspirin diminishes the damage when they are released.

    Related threat at peatarian: PUFAs in The Bloodstream
     
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    Thanks, j. My search didn't come up with that. Well, it was a brief search.
     
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    Oh, I was thinking it was a thread by peatarian, here! Thanks again. Found it.
     
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    From Rob at functionalps:


    “‎The larger the quantity of “toxic fat” stored in the body, the more careful the person must be about increasing metabolic and physical activity. Using more vitamin E, short-chain saturated fats, and other anti-lipid-peroxidation agents is important.” Ray Peat
     
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    I found this via j's link to peatarian.com. Thanks again. A friend, Amy's first idea was niacinamide, and then vit E.

    Glad there is a way.
     
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    Would CO2 have any significant protective effect?
     
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    You would think so ^^ .

    Here's another quote from Rob's group of them:
     
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    Another, same source:
    Niacinamide again to keep the stored PUFs from circulating so they can be detoxed by the liver. Adrenaline also is lipolytic. Thyroid hormone and eating frequently (the right foods) to keep the blood sugar level.
     
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    Nasty adrenaline liberating fatty acids that we want to keep in the cells while the liver slowly detoxes. Long periods of fasting don't look helpful with pufa detox.
     
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    Sometimes I wonder when I wake up in the middle of the night for a bathroom break if I should grab something real quick to top off my glycogen stores.

    Awesome thread.
     
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    So, RP says it takes 4 years when is storage is high. But what about thin people? I'm hypo yet have always been slim, no matter how much and how bad I eat.
     
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    That depends. Are you lean or are you skinny fat?
    You might be able to estimate body fat by using a calculator like this one:
    http://fitness.bizcalcs.com/Calculator. ... y-Fat-Navy

    I've always been skinny fat myself.
     
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    Yes, a lot of people do this. And, too:
     
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    Hmmm, need to figure out the optimal middle of the night snack. Definitely needs fructose in it.
     
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    Good. And it doesn't have to be the best, just good enough. IMO.
     
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    I figure to do it all for 2 years. Then you'd be down to half of your starting pufa. I was off grains for many years and stopped seed oils years ago, but I continued DHA in big doses.
    But I have a chronic condition that I want to improve. Makes me motivated. Fortunately, I've been on NDT for 15+ years, but still... I'm on the slim side too, but that is not no matter how much I eat. :lol:
     
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    Birdie-
    We've discussed this before in some other thread,
    and nwo2012 provided a great, missing piece of the PUFA Purging Puzzle for me.
    I believe you noted it too at the time (so many threads here I lose track! :).

    I'll dig it up,
    but nwo2012 posted a communication from Peat
    saying that the best way and perhaps the only non-destructive way
    of getting PUFA out of the body is by a kind of natural chelation process
    which your body, when metabolizing healthily, does slowly.
    The chemical name of that chelation process is what I'll have to search for,
    but it is on here somewhere.
    This process allows the PUFA to exit harmlessly through the liver.

    I'm afraid the "slowly" part is unavoidable and may take up to 4 years,
    depending upon how fat one is and how much of that fat is PUFA.
    To mobilize the PUFA out of the stored bodily fat is possible,
    but that is not a good thing,
    because once mobilized into the bloodstream they cause destruction.

    This is one interesting feature of the Peat diet that goes against
    a lot of other dietary or health plans, including some very revered and traditional ones.
    Think of fasting or sweat lodges or saunas or sweating or intense exercise.
    Many of those activities are central to traditional healing systems.
    They are seen as cleansing and purging
    and even character and spirit building.

    But...like I said, this kind of feature would seem to be missing in PeatLand.
    If you try to "clean yourself out" by those methods,
    Peat would say that you're just destructively releasing toxic PUFA into your bloodstream
    to be circulated about and wreak havoc at many levels--cellular, glandular, hormonal, etc.

    One thing in particular about your quote above, Birdie,
    that made me think was this:
    "‎The larger the quantity of 'toxic fat' stored in the body, the more careful the person must be about increasing metabolic and physical activity."

    If you think about it, it is kinda paradoxical.
    Aren't we all trying to "increase metabolic...activity"?
    The quote would seem to imply that
    our typical Peatian efforts to crank up our metabolism
    will also incur increased dangers from PUFA...right?

    I've been aware, in a way I guess, of this principle with regard to physical exercise,
    which Peat says can cause stress.
    And I've even been sortuv aware that exercise might release PUFA.

    But I'd never thought about all the good Peatian things we do--
    the diet stuff, the red light--
    which increase metabolism...
    ...that those very things would also, conversely, risk accelerating unwanted, unhealthy PUFA release.

    Maybe I'm not thinking about this correctly.
    Or maybe I am, and that is why Peat urges the special supplements
    like aspirin, niacinamide, coconut oil--
    to help suppress the release of PUFA which is inevitable with increased metabolism...?
     
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    Here is that cool bit supplied by nwo2012 I mentioned above:

     
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