Protocols for possible forced vaccination

[Zoltanman]

@tankasnowgod Thanks for your input. Yes, it's all about the spike. An mRNA jab does seem to permanently alter us. We are always in the process of shedding genetic material, too. That won't stop, in anyone.

Providing academic studies that back up my claim first needs someone to actually do said study. No one will be able to publish studies proving the type of DNA remodeling being discussed by Peat, Dinkov and many others, all of whom know a lot more than me. My experience goes against the current political narrative, and so, the only data available from studies = Zoltanman is ridiculous.

Doesn't really track with (my, and many other's) real world experience, though. I'd be very interested in a breakdown of that study and the methods used, as it seems to fly in the face of reality being experienced worldwide. All we'd really need for full blown shedding to go under the radar in that study is a bit of cherry picking of data, or a method of collection designed to break down testable protein before assessment.

Changes to PCR test methods to exclude any jabbed sheeple from a positive covid test shows that manipulation of data is a heavily used weapon in this propaganda war... can you vouch for the methods of the cited study and each participant's ethics? If not, shouldn't we err on the side of caution?

If I take your info and just accept it wholeheartedly, then what causes the worsening spontaneous abortion rates and shortening cycles for the many affected? Why do the mRNA studies have such over the top protocols for assessment of anyone 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th hand exposed?

If it's not 'spike' doing it, then what is it? How do I stop it from having my wife's estrogen soar, and have 3 weeks of bleeding out of every 4? I'm not trying to arc anything up, these are genuine questions. My close friends and family are dealing with these things right now.

 

[tankasnowgod]

@tankasnowgod Thanks for your input. Yes, it's all about the spike. An mRNA jab does seem to permanently alter us. We are always in the process of shedding genetic material, too. That won't stop, in anyone.

Providing academic studies that back up my claim first needs someone to actually do said study. No one will be able to publish studies proving the type of DNA remodeling being discussed by Peat, Dinkov and many others, all of whom know a lot more than me. My experience goes against the current political narrative, and so, the only data available from studies = Zoltanman is ridiculous.

Um, the study I posted did exactly that. Measured spike protein and spike protein fragments in the serum of vaccinated healthcare workers for 56 days. Did you even bother to read it? You have provided zero evidence to back up your hypothesis (and remember, you said EVERYONE who got vaccinated would shed like crazy after two months), and the study I posted showed that spike protein levels were undetectable two weeks after the first shot.

Doesn't really track with (my, and many other's) real world experience, though. I'd be very interested in a breakdown of that study and the methods used, as it seems to fly in the face of reality being experienced worldwide. All we'd really need for full blown shedding to go under the radar in that study is a bit of cherry picking of data, or a method of collection designed to break down testable protein before assessment.

Your experience of what, getting tonsil stones? Or knowing a female friend with an irregular period? These are incredibly common conditions, that happened long before January of 2021.

Cherry picking WHAT data? In the study, they tested 13 vaxxxinated healthcare workers, and took serum samples of each 20-26 times and then graphed out the results. You can see this here-

If you had read the study, you would know this. That is a comprehensive analysis, No "cherry picking," and they break down the results further if you read the study. Meanwhile, you can't provide a single shred of evidence to support the idea of shedding. This is why I generally reject it. It seems to be based on fear and rumor, with no evidence to back it up.

Changes to PCR test methods to exclude any jabbed sheeple from a positive covid test shows that manipulation of data is a heavily used weapon in this propaganda war... can you vouch for the methods of the cited study and each participant's ethics? If not, shouldn't we err on the side of caution?

The study I posted measured serum, they didn't use a PCR. Read the study, and you'll see this.

If I take your info and just accept it wholeheartedly, then what causes the worsening spontaneous abortion rates and shortening cycles for the many affected? Why do the mRNA studies have such over the top protocols for assessment of anyone 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th hand exposed?

What "worsening spontaneous abortion rates?" When did they start? These "worsening abortion rates" better take off after January 2021, as than is when the vaccine was introduced, and you better prove that they are in the unvaccinated who had contact with the vaccinated, and it's not a direct side effect from taking the vaccines themselves.

What's your source for any of this? You've provided nothing but anecdotal symptoms that are very common in the general population of two people.

If it's not 'spike' doing it, then what is it? How do I stop it from having my wife's estrogen soar, and have 3 weeks of bleeding out of every 4? I'm not trying to arc anything up, these are genuine questions. My close friends and family are dealing with these things right now.

I mean, where have you been the past two years? The vaccines aren't the only "medical experiments" that have been run on the population at large. There is also lockdown, forced masking, forced unemployment, non-stop fear porn about covid and vaccine passports, pending economic collapse, tyrannical actions by governments, constant lies from media, and on and on. On the whole, 2020 and 2021 have had a great amount of stress associated with them, from all sources. If you do a quick search, you can see that "stress" is a common cause of irregular periods. Pretty much everyone has been under more stress the past two years than the previous few decades.

As for what is causing your wife's symptoms or those of your friends and family....... no one could make an accurate diagnosis over the internet. They should be analyzed by a competent medical professional (assuming you can find one). At the same time, I thing it's silly to ascribe their symptoms to a popular internet hypothesis that hasn't offered anything in the way of proof.

 

[Makrosky]

Forged certificate , hacked app etc. The ppl checking will likely be incompetent

+1
Let's be honest : it is much cheaper and easy to do these kind of things rather than running away to the woods with a backpack. Plus it empowers oneself since fighting back (and succeeding) lessens the learned helplessness.

 

[Mito]

What’s the right dose/mode of administration with MB ?

That could be a problem, from the study “The ability of MeBlu to inhibit the SARS-CoV-2-S–ACE2 PPI could be a mechanism of action contributing to such activity especially as we also showed MeBlu to inhibit the entry of SARS-CoV-2 pseudovirus into ACE2-expressing cells with low micromolar IC50 (Figure 4). If this PPI inhibitory activity of MeBlu is retained at similar levels in vivo as found here (IC50 ≈ 3 μM), it is within a range that can be obtained in blood following typical doses (e.g., 200 mg/day) as indicated by pharmacokinetic studies in humans.”

 

[Zoltanman]

Um, the study I posted did exactly that. Measured spike protein and spike protein fragments in the serum of vaccinated healthcare workers for 56 days. Did you even bother to read it? You have provided zero evidence to back up your hypothesis (and remember, you said EVERYONE who got vaccinated would shed like crazy after two months), and the study I posted showed that spike protein levels were undetectable two weeks after the first shot.

Your experience of what, getting tonsil stones? Or knowing a female friend with an irregular period? These are incredibly common conditions, that happened long before January of 2021.

Cherry picking WHAT data? In the study, they tested 13 vaxxxinated healthcare workers, and took serum samples of each 20-26 times and then graphed out the results. You can see this here-
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If you had read the study, you would know this. That is a comprehensive analysis, No "cherry picking," and they break down the results further if you read the study. Meanwhile, you can't provide a single shred of evidence to support the idea of shedding. This is why I generally reject it. It seems to be based on fear and rumor, with no evidence to back it up.


The study I posted measured serum, they didn't use a PCR. Read the study, and you'll see this.

What "worsening spontaneous abortion rates?" When did they start? These "worsening abortion rates" better take off after January 2021, as than is when the vaccine was introduced, and you better prove that they are in the unvaccinated who had contact with the vaccinated, and it's not a direct side effect from taking the vaccines themselves.

What's your source for any of this? You've provided nothing but anecdotal symptoms that are very common in the general population of two people.


I mean, where have you been the past two years? The vaccines aren't the only "medical experiments" that have been run on the population at large. There is also lockdown, forced masking, forced unemployment, non-stop fear porn about covid and vaccine passports, pending economic collapse, tyrannical actions by governments, constant lies from media, and on and on. On the whole, 2020 and 2021 have had a great amount of stress associated with them, from all sources. If you do a quick search, you can see that "stress" is a common cause of irregular periods. Pretty much everyone has been under more stress the past two years than the previous few decades.

As for what is causing your wife's symptoms or those of your friends and family....... no one could make an accurate diagnosis over the internet. They should be analyzed by a competent medical professional (assuming you can find one). At the same time, I thing it's silly to ascribe their symptoms to a popular internet hypothesis that hasn't offered anything in the way of proof.

Thanks again, for your further input.

I categorically state that: No evidence to support shedding will be allowed to be found in a published study. It simply will never be published, not this year or next, at least. So, your demanding I supply it to satisfy you is illogical.

The Cherry picking won't be visible to you, the reader. C'mon!! That's the whole idea of it! It will have happened in the weeding out of the 350+ other people and their family members who COULD have been included in the same study but 'didn't fit the profile' (ie: the ones who would have glaringly proven shedding and it's damage).

I state also: All mention of PCR by me was to illustrate HOW 'scientific data' is managed these days, to provide EXACTLY a paid-for & pre-determined outcome. Did you deliberately miss my point on that? There may be dozens of ways to collect spike protein while rendering it unable to activate a test.

I state also: The method of testing the serum for the actual proteins can also easily be deliberately at fault.

And then: Your 13 person study is almost as small as my 9-11 person anecdotal experience group.

As for this being a 'silly internet hypothesis'... anything that scares Dr Peat, scares me too.

"The problem is that our bodies can copy foreign RNA and DNA and incorporate the copies into our chromosomes. If they are genes for viral proteins, it’s possible that during a future stress, those foreign genes could be expressed throughout our body, creating overwhelming amounts of those toxic proteins. The copies could be inserted into sperm cells and eggs as well as body cells, forming part of future generations. No sane person would consider doing it, if they understood how our cells respond to alien nucleic acids".

 

[tankasnowgod]

Thanks again, for your further input.

I categorically state that: No evidence to support shedding will be allowed to be found in a published study. It simply will never be published, not this year or next, at least. So, your demanding I supply it to satisfy you is illogical.

Ah, brilliant. My demand to see some proof of this theory is illogical.

So, "shedding" is basically an invisible dragon that can't be touched or heard or smelled, or detected by any sort of equipment. Welp, can't argue with that.

The Cherry picking won't be visible to you, the reader. C'mon!! That's the whole idea of it! It will have happened in the weeding out of the 350+ other people and their family members who COULD have been included in the same study but 'didn't fit the profile' (ie: the ones who would have glaringly proven shedding and it's damage).

Brilliant, again. The reader can't see things by analyzing the study, so again, best to NOT read it in the first place. The Invisible Dragon remains unslayed!

And how, exactly, would the researchers have known not to pick "the ones who would have glaringly proven shedding and it's damage?" It was published May 20th, 2021, and followed healthcare worked for two months, starting with when they got the vaccine. They followed these workers from December 2020 until March of 2021, before the Internet meme of "shedding" even became a thing. Also, it pretty much had to be a small study, as you aren't going to find too many people willing to do 20+ blood draws in a two month period.

I state also: All mention of PCR by me was to illustrate HOW 'scientific data' is managed these days, to provide EXACTLY a paid-for & pre-determined outcome. Did you deliberately miss my point on that? There may be dozens of ways to collect spike protein while rendering it unable to activate a test.

Your point here doesn't make any sense. PCR is a test that was never designed for the use of diagnosing a virus. The way it is manipulated has been well documented, by raising and lowering the cycles.

If you think that all studies are garbage (especially without looking at them), well, then you probably don't need to be on this forum. You probably shouldn't listen to Ray Peat nor Georgi Dinkov either, as they also base much their knowledge off of studies. A quick browse of Haidut's blog will confirm that, as will the footnotes of any of Peat's newsletters.

I state also: The method of testing the serum for the actual proteins can also easily be deliberately at fault.

And then: Your 13 person study is almost as small as my 9-11 person anecdotal experience group.

Ridiculous. In the 13 healthcare workers, they took 20-26 serum samples of each. That means at least 260 serum samples that they then analyzed.

What tests did you do on your 9-11 person group? Did you organize the data? Did you describe your materials and methods? How did you confirm they had spent time with the vaxxxed? How much time? What type of situations? Where can I read a detailed report of your group that "proves" shedding?

As for this being a 'silly internet hypothesis'... anything that scares Dr Peat, scares me too.

Where did Dr. Peat suggest that shedding "scares" him? The quotes that I've seen and heard suggest he isn't too concerned with it. If you have a quote on this, again, please share your source (of which you have shared none so far).

"The problem is that our bodies can copy foreign RNA and DNA and incorporate the copies into our chromosomes. If they are genes for viral proteins, it’s possible that during a future stress, those foreign genes could be expressed throughout our body, creating overwhelming amounts of those toxic proteins. The copies could be inserted into sperm cells and eggs as well as body cells, forming part of future generations. No sane person would consider doing it, if they understood how our cells respond to alien nucleic acids".

I agree with this. But this quote is from Peat is describing some potential dangers of taking the vaccines. I don't think they are safe, I won't be taking one, and I don't think anyone else should take one, either. The VAERS data already show they are the deadliest vaccines in modern history, and the trail data that was available upon the EUA was only two months, not enough to show any medical benefit.

But this quote says nothing about "shedding."

 

[Zoltanman]

@tankasnowgod no evidence will be allowed to be presented. How you leap from here to some dragon myth scenario just shows you don't want to read what I'm writing. The evidence is not imaginary or un-findable, it simply will not be allowed to be presented publicly in a meaningful way. A dragon cover-up might be a better analogy.

I don't ignore studies, I simply have a critical view of current methods and allowed protocols. Here in Australia, we are drowning in news telling us this crap is 90+% effective and no one even knows the difference between relative and absolute study measurements. The actual effective difference seems to be less than 1% plus some wordplay.

The PCR MANIPULATION was the only reason I brought it up. Your study can be affected by the same attitude to data, and manipulation on a similar scale as the PCR extravaganza.

The study clearly admits they have faults in collection and that there are only healthy, young participants (high defensive levels and relative hormonal strength allowing some inactivation of the spike protein manufacturing cells) and they even allow for the possibility of mRNA translation beginning immediately post jab.

QUOTE, emphasis mine: "evidence of systemic detection of spike and S1 protein production from the mRNA-1273 vaccine is significant and has not yet been described in any vaccine study, likely due to limitations in assay sensitivity and timing assessment. The clinical relevance of this finding is unknown and should be further explored. These data show that S1 antigen production after the initial vaccination can be detected by day 1 and is present beyond the site of injection and the associated regional lymph nodes."

AND: "The Simoa antigen assays for the full spike protein are designed to require antibody binding to both the S1 and S2 subunits for detection, resulting in a cleaved spike protein to be undetectable. Additionally, spike protein concentrations in plasma of vaccinated participants may be below our assay limit of detection."

I retract my statement re Dr Peat being scared. I attributed an emotion to him that is not directly printed somewhere. I find it scary that he declares the acceptance of mRNA an act that "no sane person would consider" and that his reasons are that the consequences of it are so easily transmissible. Why do you discount this part of his quote based on a 13 person study that even admits faults like I talked about in my first reply to you?

What DO body cells do? Remain with you forever? No. They drop off you haphazardly until you die, and you are boxed or burnt. Until then, you spit, sweat, defecate, urinate, skin flake and exhale EVERYTHING you are, onto everything you touch. All the time. This stuff is, by design, rewiring our DNA. So that now, whatever we drop off us, now has the new mRNA encoded in our waste and excreta. I want to see work on how long that waste remains viable and able to infect, before I go gung-ho on your tangent.

Peat has already mentioned semen as a carrier. He has clearly and repeatedly mentioned that practicing good hygiene is necessary specifically in relation to un-vaxxed having contact with vaccinated persons. What do YOU think he means us to wash off? I see no point in waiting for a study to prove that both semen AND saliva contact can get you making your own spike proteins once your defenses fail. I'll simply avoid both, and tell my story as it happened.

Our group verified the vaccination of the person we believed to have shed: Mid sixties, ill health and low hormonal reserves based on general assessment, obvious hypothyroid and pufa overload plus mental health issues. My friend was kissed on the cheek on arrival and leaving. She is also hypothyroid and low hormonal strength generally. A gradual worsening of overall health over 2 weeks ensued.

With no other life changes at all, (all current stresses are either the same for last 12 months or lowered due to situational improvements) she then started a week long bleed that only high dose progestene and other related supps halted. She will normally only get PMS every so often. Yes, I have all that data. We are good friends and I help her with her health as she allows.

If our forgetting to take a blood draw every 18 hours dismays you, I can only apologize for my oversight. We felt there was enough evidence for action, so we helped them, and they took it. My wife wants to avoid the same thing happening, so she and I take the same actions daily.

 

[tankasnowgod]

@tankasnowgod no evidence will be allowed to be presented. How you leap from here to some dragon myth scenario just shows you don't want to read what I'm writing. The evidence is not imaginary or un-findable, it simply will not be allowed to be presented publicly in a meaningful way. A dragon cover-up might be a better analogy.

I don't ignore studies, I simply have a critical view of current methods and allowed protocols. Here in Australia, we are drowning in news telling us this crap is 90+% effective and no one even knows the difference between relative and absolute study measurements. The actual effective difference seems to be less than 1% plus some wordplay.

The PCR MANIPULATION was the only reason I brought it up. Your study can be affected by the same attitude to data, and manipulation on a similar scale as the PCR extravaganza.

The study clearly admits they have faults in collection and that there are only healthy, young participants (high defensive levels and relative hormonal strength allowing some inactivation of the spike protein manufacturing cells) and they even allow for the possibility of mRNA translation beginning immediately post jab.

QUOTE, emphasis mine: "evidence of systemic detection of spike and S1 protein production from the mRNA-1273 vaccine is significant and has not yet been described in any vaccine study, likely due to limitations in assay sensitivity and timing assessment. The clinical relevance of this finding is unknown and should be further explored. These data show that S1 antigen production after the initial vaccination can be detected by day 1 and is present beyond the site of injection and the associated regional lymph nodes."

AND: "The Simoa antigen assays for the full spike protein are designed to require antibody binding to both the S1 and S2 subunits for detection, resulting in a cleaved spike protein to be undetectable. Additionally, spike protein concentrations in plasma of vaccinated participants may be below our assay limit of detection."

I don't deny the study has limitations (they all do). But the fact is, they could only find detectable levels of spike protein (or cleaved fragments) for two weeks. It casts a lot of doubt on the "shedding" hypothesis. If they can't find detectable levels in serum, and the vaxxxed aren't showing any symptoms, why would you think casual contact would be an issue?

I retract my statement re Dr Peat being scared. I attributed an emotion to him that is not directly printed somewhere. I find it scary that he declares the acceptance of mRNA an act that "no sane person would consider" and that his reasons are that the consequences of it are so easily transmissible. Why do you discount this part of his quote based on a 13 person study that even admits faults like I talked about in my first reply to you?

Easily transmissible? He said nothing of the sort in that quote.

What DO body cells do? Remain with you forever? No. They drop off you haphazardly until you die, and you are boxed or burnt. Until then, you spit, sweat, defecate, urinate, skin flake and exhale EVERYTHING you are, onto everything you touch. All the time. This stuff is, by design, rewiring our DNA. So that now, whatever we drop off us, now has the new mRNA encoded in our waste and excreta. I want to see work on how long that waste remains viable and able to infect, before I go gung-ho on your tangent.

If they can't even find detectable levels of spike protein in serum after two weeks, using ultra sensitive tests, I'm personally not worried about tiny fractions of picogram amounts of spike protein that may be found in those things. You can be terrified and lock yourself in your house and never have any contact with anyone again if you want.

Peat has already mentioned semen as a carrier. He has clearly and repeatedly mentioned that practicing good hygiene is necessary specifically in relation to un-vaxxed having contact with vaccinated persons. What do YOU think he means us to wash off? I see no point in waiting for a study to prove that both semen AND saliva contact can get you making your own spike proteins once your defenses fail. I'll simply avoid both, and tell my story as it happened.

If you don't think there is a difference between causal contact you have in crowds or the grocery store or restaurant, and intimate sexual contact, just wait until you discover sexually transmitted diseases.

Our group verified the vaccination of the person we believed to have shed: Mid sixties, ill health and low hormonal reserves based on general assessment, obvious hypothyroid and pufa overload plus mental health issues. My friend was kissed on the cheek on arrival and leaving. She is also hypothyroid and low hormonal strength generally. A gradual worsening of overall health over 2 weeks ensued.

With no other life changes at all, (all current stresses are either the same for last 12 months or lowered due to situational improvements) she then started a week long bleed that only high dose progestene and other related supps halted. She will normally only get PMS every so often. Yes, I have all that data. We are good friends and I help her with her health as she allows.

If our forgetting to take a blood draw every 18 hours dismays you, I can only apologize for my oversight. We felt there was enough evidence for action, so we helped them, and they took it. My wife wants to avoid the same thing happening, so she and I take the same actions daily.

It doesn't dismay me. It just doesn't prove anything. I don't doubt your wife had the symptoms you describe, and I don't doubt that the progestene and other supplements stopped it. I simply don't trust your attribution to "Spike Protein Shedding," and mostly took issue with your claim that EVERYONE who gets the vaccine will shed and infect everyone after 2 months. I haven't seen any evidence to that effect, not in studies nor in my real world experience.

I don't think there's any point in extending this any further. I am open to look at evidence of "shedding" if anyone has it, but you don't. And seeing as you are a true believer of this idea even in the absence of evidence, neither of us will change the others mind.

 

[Zoltanman]

We might see some new data to discuss if there's a study done with a bunch of HRT estrogen-soaked post menopausal 60+ year olds who got the jab while starting with abundant bad health.

Injecting someone with a thing and having it come out when they later ejaculate is the very definition of easily transmissible BTW. We don't need Peat to say the exact words you want when the meaning is obvious.

Swallowing a part of someone's sneeze the same day you bit your lip means bloodstream contact is much more likely, too. No sexual contact required.

Thanks for your time and the conversation, @tankasnowgod. I'm also happy to leave it there.

 

[Ideonaut]

Finding a doctor who will microdose the jab and declare compliance, while going gung-ho on the progesterone, aspirin, and all the other anti-inflamm peat/Roddy/Dinkov style recommendations seems to be the best way forward.

Keep in mind you will also be dealing with being shed on while in contact with the herd. This is just as dangerous as the jab itself, just more insidious and a longer timeframe till it gets to the point of no return in your system.

Anyone 2 months or more since their #1 jab is now a noxious replication machine for the jab.

I was thinking that if I got the jab I would right away put a big mess of activated charcoal paste on the site. Does anyone have an opinion as to whether that would help? I actually know someone who is going to have to get the jab for work and was thinking of recommending it to him.

 

[Source Code]

What’s the right dose/mode of administration with MB ?

I don't know exact dosages you'd need to mitigate damage from the vaccine maybe 5mg a day or something?, I have been taking about 3 drops of 1% orally in some OJ a day for the past couple of weeks I've noticed my skin looks better and I feel stronger, I did 50 push ups last night with ease :) This is my first time experimenting with MB but I really like it so far

 

[StephanF]

Then there might be cases of someone contracting COVID-19 with no symptoms except menstrual cycle being abnormal. That would be the simplest explanation. And the contact with a vaccinated person may not have anything to do with that.

Another possibility is that these ‘vaccines’ have other stuff in it than what is advertised. Since Pharma got a blank check for these mRNA gene therapies, they could change the stuff that they put into some batches and nobody would know!

They have self-replicating ‘vaccines’ in the pipeline, first targeted at animals. Then only a few animals have to be injected and this will ‘infect’ the other animals thus spreading this genetic mRNA material. What should prevent Pharma to sneak that into ‘selected’ parts of the human population? Stuff like this happened before, the Gates Foundation injecting girls in India with experimental vaccines. Or stuff that the Nazis did. These are people that have no conscience, they even think they have the right to do that. Brrrr….

 

[Zoltanman]

I was thinking that if I got the jab I would right away put a big mess of activated charcoal paste on the site. Does anyone have an opinion as to whether that would help? I actually know someone who is going to have to get the jab for work and was thinking of recommending it to him.

I can't speak to effectiveness of charcoal in this way. it's a needle right into the middle of your muscle. You need boatloads of systemic helpful stuff to inactivate the component of the jab that's trying to translate your dna to its new version of 'you'. A site specific charcoal patch won't help with the systemic crap going on. it'll just suck out a little locally.

 

[Lollipop2]

I can't speak to effectiveness of charcoal in this way. it's a needle right into the middle of your muscle. You need boatloads of systemic helpful stuff to inactivate the component of the jab that's trying to translate your dna to its new version of 'you'. A site specific charcoal patch won't help with the systemic crap going on. it'll just suck out a little locally.

What about something like red clay that has extraordinary pulling power?

 

[Zoltanman]

@Lollipop2 it's just my opinion, but I still don't think it's enough.

Imagine an injection of snake venom into the belly of the muscle (right in deep in the middle of it) then having someone use their mouth to apply suction at the site. You're still likely getting lots of the venom into your blood and lymph. Unless you combat it systemically, seems to me you're going to get issues. Just my 2 cents though.

Clay topically seems like that mouth suction.

 

[Lollipop2]

@Lollipop2 it's just my opinion, but I still don't think it's enough.

Imagine an injection of snake venom into the belly of the muscle (right in deep in the middle of it) then having someone use their mouth to apply suction at the site. You're still likely getting lots of the venom into your blood and lymph. Unless you combat it systemically, seems to me you're going to get issues. Just my 2 cents though.

Clay topically seems like that mouth suction.

Makes sense. Systemically as you suggest is the best.

I think I would handle it systemically AND then topically with hopes to get at least a tiny margin out.

 

[jnklheimer]

If you don’t have bodily autonomy you don’t have much. A lot of people have a line in the sand at being held down and forced to take a medical intervention

 

[Inaut]

+1 - I think anyone with a full analytical brain left has considered these thoughts.

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