Prostate Problems: Peatian Views?

narouz

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A friend of mine just found he has a very enlarged prostate.
His doctor said it was "as big as a baseball."

Prostate hasn't been on my Peat radar very much
because I haven't had that problem myself.
And I don't remember seeing much on prostate problems here on this board.

I know Peat would probably talk about it within the overall context of inflammation,
estrogen dominance, and the cascade of related problematic stuff like serotonin, prolactin, etc.
But beyond that I don't remember reading posts here focused on the prostate.

So I just wanted to ask for information on this topic.
What has Peat said on matters prostate?
Has anyone has a personal communication with Peat about this?
 
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Dr. John Lee, influenced by Peat, used to advise using progesterone and testosterone.
 
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There is an interview about thyroid where RP says that using thyroid can help.
 

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j. said:
There is an interview about thyroid where RP says that using thyroid can help.

Yes, j., that is stuck in my head somewhere too.
Do you have any idea of where--what interview?
 
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I also know someone with enlarged prostate so I would appreciate any info from Peat as well.
 

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j. said:
narouz said:
Yes, j., that is stuck in my head somewhere too.
Do you have any idea of where--what interview?

Here

But it's mentioned just in passing.

Yes, I saw that.
But as you say...not a lot there.
Thanks though, j.
 

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My nutritionists say men need to be careful about the freshness of their food, more then women. Polyamines are dead flesh proteins created as things die. Men are more sensative because their prostrate already makes ployamines....like women already make a lot of estrogen. Vegetables are a big source, as is aged meats (deli meats especially, but anything in a grocery store) and milk, aged cheeses, leftovers. A vegetable is truly fresh if it's picked and processed with in a hour or so.

I am not a man, but was told to not require my son to consume milk if he didn't want it. We also custom butcher our meat and don't age it.

Potatoes (a tuber) and fruit are low risks for polyamines. Freezing prevents the production of polyamines.
 
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According to Lita Lee, the treatment is thyroid, pregnenolone, and progesterone. She quotes Dr. Peat a lot in her article. Link
 

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My husband was recently found to have an enlarged prostate, so I'm glad to read this thread. This article isn't great, but it does point out the extensive dangers of omega-6 oils (while saying to take fish oil, boo),
and also recommends aspirin and vitamin d.

http://www.virginiahopkinstestkits.com/ ... pdate.html

He's going to the doctor tomorrow, I'm hoping he can get a full hormone panel, including thyroid. He's young-ish, 36, so I'm hesitant to suggest progesterone. I'm concerned it'll lower his testosterone. He already thinks I'm pretty crazy with all my health stuff, I can just imagine the look on his face if I told him he needed to shine some red light down on his, ahem, area.
 

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An enlarged prostate has a lot to do with not enough testosterone. Peat talked about that in the same interview mentioned above.
 

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I really feel the problem is too much estrogen and too low testosterone. Our doctor is testing testosterone and TSH. Does Peat ever talk about using bio-identical testosterone supplements? I know you can get them compounded, but I'm guessing most drs probably prescribe synthetics? I don't know the first thing about t.
 

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Kelly said:
I really feel the problem is too much estrogen and too low testosterone. Our doctor is testing testosterone and TSH. Does Peat ever talk about using bio-identical testosterone supplements? I know you can get them compounded, but I'm guessing most drs probably prescribe synthetics? I don't know the first thing about t.

Kelly,
I wouldn't go in for the bio-identical hormones.
Basically, I think they focus on one part of the big picture
and, in that isolation, could just as easily cause greater harm.

I think you've got the right general approach with your thoughts about estrogen.
I would try to sell your husband on some version of the Peat diet
rather than a magic pill (bio-identical)--
although I do understand that such a pill might be easier to sell to your husband.
1. get the PUFA consumption way down
2. get plenty of good Peatian protein
3. get plenty of sugars from fruits or even sugar (hard sell I bet)
4. get him off of stressful exercise regimes
5. by all means see if he needs thyroid supps and don't let him take a straight T4
6. he could be fine taking pregnenolone instead of progesterone.
7. aspirin, niacinamide, coffee
8. LIGHT--red light. Bright incandescents. Sunlight. See our threads on Red Light.
 

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narouz said:
Kelly,
I wouldn't go in for the bio-identical hormones.
Basically, I think they focus on one part of the big picture
and, in that isolation, could just as easily cause greater harm.

I think you've got the right general approach with your thoughts about estrogen.
I would try to sell your husband on some version of the Peat diet
rather than a magic pill (bio-identical)--
although I do understand that such a pill might be easier to sell to your husband.
1. get the PUFA consumption way down
2. get plenty of good Peatian protein
3. get plenty of sugars from fruits or even sugar (hard sell I bet)
4. get him off of stressful exercise regimes
5. by all means see if he needs thyroid supps and don't let him take a straight T4
6. he could be fine taking pregnenolone instead of progesterone.
7. aspirin, niacinamide, coffee
8. LIGHT--red light. Bright incandescents. Sunlight. See our threads on Red Light.

Thanks for the detailed replay narouz! I agree with not relying on a magic pill, it'd be nice though if testosterone could help him while making all the other changes, like progesterone is supporting my health. His pufa has been cut, just because we mostly eat at home, and I do the cooking. :D Not as low as mine but still much lower. He plays hockey 1-2 times per week but that's it for exercise. His pulse is low and temp trends low, so I'm pretty positive of thyroid problems without even seeing TSH. I have him taking 1 aspirin per day, going to up to 2 on hockey days. I have a brooder light I shine on myself while I work and it makes me feel GREAT. I'm going to see if I can talk him into sitting under it 30 mins or so everyday. Thanks again.
 

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I have a friend who has an enlarged prostate
and I've been going through the same thoughts/strategizing with regard to him.

If someone is not onboard the Peat Train at the health crisis,
Peat advice is likely to fall upon somewhat deaf ears.

One possible strategic move you might consider:
Maybe your husband would be more receptive to a lab test showing high estrogen.
You talk in terms of thinking about testosterone as a possible treatment.
That being the case, is your husband open to that?

As I say, I wouldn't recommend that,
but it might provide an opening.

Here's what I mean:
At a point not too long before I got into Peat
I was finding and researching doctors who advocated testosterone therapy.
They seemed to recommend lab tests for testosterone levels,
but also--wisely--for estrogen levels (and some other things).

I did the test and found that my testosterone level was fine
but my estrogen level was very high.
The doctors I referred to above, who advocate testosterone replacement therapy,
were at least with-it enough to know that
having high estrogen levels amounts to much the same problem as having low testosterone.

Now, in the face of the labs, those doctors said to take various supplements and avoid drinking alcohol heavily.
But I never went any further with their suggestions
because I then discovered Peat.
With Peat, I was just blown away by how holistic and complete his understanding of the endocrine system was.
I had been accustomed to all of the talk being about the thyroid gland in isolation,
or maybe the thyroid and the adrenals.
And I remember Dr. Kharrazian being a little bit more "big picture," though still unsatisfying.

But the point I was at before discovering Peat was an understanding
that decent testosterone levels combined with high estrogen levels
amounted to the same approximate problem as what most today call "Low Testosterone" syndrome.
That was a stage along the way for me,
and kind of prepared me for Peat's vastly Bigger Picture.

So...if you have talked to your husband about testosterone replacement therapy.
And he digests that as acceptable,
then you are just a small step away from him grasping that High Estrogen (even with adequate testosterone)
results in approximately the same kind of problem.

If you can get him there--of recognizing Estrogen as the problem...
well, that would be a great advance.
From there, a lot of Peatness would naturally flow.
 
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narouz said:
If someone is not onboard the Peat Train at the health crisis,
Peat advice is likely to fall upon somewhat deaf ears.

I think an argument is: giving estrogens to animals increased the size of their prostates. What about trying estrogen antagonists? Thyroid, pregnenolone, progesterone. John Lee gave progesterone and testosterone.
 

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j. said:
narouz said:
If someone is not onboard the Peat Train at the health crisis,
Peat advice is likely to fall upon somewhat deaf ears.

I think an argument is: giving estrogens to animals increased the size of their prostates. What about trying estrogen antagonists? Thyroid, pregnenolone, progesterone. John Lee gave progesterone and testosterone.

Yes.
A recognition that the solution is lowering estrogen
rather than raising testosterone
provides an opening to all those things and many more.
And it might stop the testosterone supplementation approach,
which I think could be bad news in the long term.
 

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We got the test results back, and it is low testosterone. Free is 21 ( normal range 35-155 ), total is 173 ( normal range 250-1100 ). Estrogen not tested although I am certain that it will be raised. I'm not sure what to do at this point. I mean, we're doing most of the things mentioned in this thread, but it's so low I feel that this is pretty serious ...
 

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Kelly said:
We got the test results back, and it is low testosterone. Free is 21 ( normal range 35-155 ), total is 173 ( normal range 250-1100 ). Estrogen not tested although I am certain that it will be raised. I'm not sure what to do at this point. I mean, we're doing most of the things mentioned in this thread, but it's so low I feel that this is pretty serious ...

Kelly-
I'm not positive what Peat says about testosterone supplementation.
But, in all I've read/heard, I don't think I remember a single instance of him recommending it.
I feel pretty confident in saying that he would see it as a small part of a larger problem/imbalance.

I have a friend with enlarged prostate who is taking some kind of testosterone supplement.
I worry for him, but he isn't open at all to Peat stuff.
He just wants a doctor to "fix it."
Oddly, I don't think his doctor gave him the testosterone for the enlarged prostate.
For that the doctor just gave him a sleeping pill. :shock:
He wasn't able to sleep because of always feeling the need to pee.
I think he got testosterone just for low libido.
I haven't talked to him again about how successful that has been.

Both fixes seem to come from isolated analysis,
and seem to me to be short-term fixes which could in the long-term backfire.

I had a book I got before Peat called
The Testosterone Syndrome: The Critical Factor for Energy, Health, and Sexuality - Reversing the Male Menopause [Paperback]
by Eugene, M.D. Shippen.
He is an appealing, sensible-seeming doctor--you can watch him on YouTube--and he uses testosterone.
When I did the tests he recommended,
I found that my testosterone was okay, but it was not doing what it should because my estrogen was high.
So I never took any testosterone.
And then I came across Peat.

So I don't know just what Peat would say about taking testosterone.
I'm pretty sure he would not recommend it,
and would take a bigger picture approach to your husband's hormone imbalance.
Would he say that testosterone supplementation would be dangerous?
There, I'm not certain.
He might just say it would, long-term, be ineffective.

I'm pretty sure that excess testosterone can be converted into estrogen.
That would be bad.

This would be a cool thing to email Peat about.
It's serious, and it's specific.
I'd go to his website, get his email address, and ask him.
I think you find the "Contact" tab and click on that.
http://www.raypeat.com
Be succinct and specific, pose your question first, then supply some dietary/health history and lab work.
Be specific in your subject line.

Oh yeah: can't remember if I've asked or you've commented on this,
but is your husband hypothyroid?
Do you have any thyroid related tests?
Does your husband have hypothyroid symptoms?
Do you have any temperatures/pulses from him?
 
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