Prosecuting Trump - Unanswered Questions

[yerrag]

Yes, it is amazing that people believe there is election fraud.

There is but one freak show in our forum. Amazed!

 

[JDreamer]

Yes, it is amazing that people believe there is election fraud.

It's amazing to me that people keep deflecting the argument to fraud instead of impropriety and irregularity.

Our voting process is complete f-ckery and one party just showed how it could gerrymander it ESPECIALLY during a time of highly unwarranted fear. Unexplainable statistical anomalies in the swing/battleground states, mail in ballots being sent to people who didn't ask for them, vote curing for mail-in ballots, signature counts not matching total ballot counts, various ballot counting facilities where people were not even allowed close enough to see what was being tallied, some counties where voters were using the same commercial address (a mall) to mail in their questionable votes, etc. etc. That's only brushing the surface of all the BS.

The general media doesn't report any of this stuff - they just gaslight or play games with words, which is why I've stuck to getting the info from people like Tim Pool. That being said, let's not pretend elections are incapable of having fraud committed - the question is how minute or widespread. Proving fraud requires proving intent though.

 

[nomoreketones]

Proving fraud requires proving intent though.

This is where the democrats strategy was absolutely brilliant. Brainwash an army of "by any means necessary" followers who will do anything to get rid of Trump who they believe is like Hitler. Then remove the checks and balances required to detect fraud. Then gaslight the American people into believing election fraud is really rare. Then mail out excessive ballots everywhere. Then print extra ballots and leave them in places where they can be found. Make sure there are a minimal amount of surveillance cameras monitoring all the ballots. Make sure the ballots don't have unique barcodes that will prevent them from being fed through the machine more than once. Then leave it to the army of "by any means necessary" to find all the extra ballots and to do what is necessary to get enough ballots through the system to win the election in the close states. When this strategy is not enough to win, shut down the election in all the swing states to find more fraudulent votes until enough are found to win. Broadcast on the media what Trump's lead is so the "by any means necessary" followers can work harder to find more ballots.

Every single step required to steal this election has built in plausible deniability. The democrats engineered a system to steal the election where no single person could be caught except maybe a handful of low level "by any means necessary" followers. But when these individuals are caught they can just say, "but it's not enough votes to swing the election."

We have witnessed the perfect crime.

 

[yerrag]

Yes, but the power of money also made it worth their while to engage in fraud. ZuckerBloomberg+Soros Plus raised a lot of money to feed the commission of fraud.
Soros money enabled the election of dirty Democrat politicians into district attorneys who sent the message to low-level surrogates that crime pays well. Seeing how the law does not apply to Democrats and their minions (Nixon had to resign- he was Republican and a president, while Jussie Smollett, a low level crook of a Democrat - was let off the hook by the Chicago Democrat DA), public servants in Dem cities were encouraged to pad the vote for Biden- with no fear of consequences.

I wouldn't stay these fraudsters at the bottom of the Democrat-Deep State totem pole were brainwashed. They were as corrupt as their masters. The Democratic Party has merged crime and politics and institutionalized it in the culture of the party, and its rank and file is filled with crooks ready to rise to higher levels of criminality and be promoted. An orc army ready to fawn on and serve their elite masters.

 

[MatheusPN]

You should be banned for your constant slander of the President. @charlie

Trump is a criminal, he was responsible and the cause for prosecuting Assange, the hero father of two. He deserves a death sentence for bombing innocent people.

"When exposing a crime is treated as committing a crime, you are being ruled by criminals.” - Edward Snowden
Trump is a terrorist.

BTW, a unexpected and nice position from Tarmander.

 

[yerrag]

Trump is a criminal, he was responsible and the cause for prosecuting Assange, the hero father of two. He deserves a death sentence for bombing innocent people.

"When exposing a crime is treated as committing a crime, you are being ruled by criminals.” - Edward Snowden
Trump is a terrorist.

BTW, a unexpected and nice position from Tarmander.

Yes, Trump should have dropped charges against Assange and Snowden. I am very disappointed he won't do that. But...

Do you think Biden will do any different? I think Biden will do as Obama did and what Hillary would have done.

But I'd wager you that under Trump, there is at least hope that charges against Assange and Snowden would be dropped. Fat chance Biden would do that.

 

[nomoreketones]

Yes, Trump should have dropped charges against Assange and Snowden. I am very disappointed he won't do that. But...

Do you think Biden will do any different? I think Biden will do as Obama did and what Hillary would have done.

But I'd wager you that under Trump, there is at least hope that charges against Assange and Snowden would be dropped. Fat chance Biden would do that.

I really hope Trump pardons Julian Assange and Edward Snowden. If Trump does not pardon these two heroes then he will deserve having the election stolen from him.

 

[MatheusPN]

Yes, Trump should have dropped charges against Assange and Snowden. I am very disappointed he won't do that. But...

Do you think Biden will do any different? I think Biden will do as Obama did and what Hillary would have done.

But I'd wager you that under Trump, there is at least hope that charges against Assange and Snowden would be dropped. Fat chance Biden would do that.

Biden politics seems more far-right currently, he is worse. Trump has at least some "populism" in his rhetoric and propaganda, but Trump is the puppet of a eugenicist side which is greater and is winning wars against the Rockefellers and Co. So Biden winning will bring more equilibrium, no one wants an even bigger oligarchy even worse if unopposed. Some competition at the cream of the elite is better to have than one side winning it all.

If Trump wins, he will be seen as a hero, giving the context against him, his followers will be more fanatical about him and if he carries the support of the military/ deep state; you can easily expect a dictatorship by the executive branch. If not then, Rothschild will easily rule.

Propaganda against the Rockefellers' agenda is easier to find than against the Rothschild. Both are nasty in different ways, with similar consequences.

Is @Regina alike the fact-checking sites? If so lets bring more censorship

Edit:
Also @yerrag and @nomoreketones why you expect him to pardon them if he is responsible for ******* them?
If he does that, it will be alike when celebrities apologize only after backlash.

 

[yerrag]

Biden politics seems more far-right currently, he is worse. Trump has at least some "populism" in his rhetoric and propaganda, but Trump is the puppet of a eugenicist side which is greater and is winning wars against the Rockefellers and Co. So Biden winning will bring more equilibrium, no one wants an even bigger oligarchy. Some competition at the cream of the elite is better to have than one side winning it all.

If Trump wins, he will be seen as a hero, giving the context against him, his followers will be more fanatical about him and if he carries the support of the military/ deep state; you can easily expect a dictatorship by the executive branch. If not then, Rothschild will easily rule.

Propaganda against the Rockefellers' agenda is easier to find than against the Rothschild. Both are nasty in different ways, with similar consequences.

Is @Regina alike the sites against fake news and conspiracies here?

Interesting take of this as somehow like a proxy war between Rotschild and Rockefeller.

But I see this more as a war between hope and assured rot and decay.

 

[Ledo]

As for Trump, I don't think he is going away anytime soon, and I don't think he is likely to be replaced. He is the definition of "cult of personality"

President Trump is a 1960's style democrat without any of the war mongering. Not my cup of tea, excepting the war mongering, as those liberals eventually morphed into the big government, power hungry, child hating, race hating, self loathing, psycho cretins you leftists turned out to be.

But I voted for him, not because of your media's tired mockingbird shtick that we all falled under the spell oh man oh man, lord help me, but rather he was the only patriot out of a pack of republican scum who detested what you people are as much as I do.

False flag a school full of children. "We have to do something about assault weapons". Virtue signaling demons.

Trump is where he is and has the love he does because he sees you as the threat to this nation that you traitorous, globalist, china loving sellouts are. Watching him tell you straight to your faces...pure gold. Watching your reaction, pure comedy. In the end, the joke was on you, that you were the narcissists. Screaming banshee narcissists destroying everything in your paths

As a political party, you couldn't scrape one decent human being off the pavement of you train wreck power grab, soul crushing takeover of humanity. You are corrupt to the core and your never to be president (brown willy)Harris with her ossified sidekick Bribem are fitting totems of your impending destruction.

 

[MatheusPN]

Interesting take of this as somehow like a proxy war between Rotschild and Rockefeller.

But I see this more as a war between hope and assured rot and decay.

We can consolidate hope if we have some revolution, which currently is much more difficult than Kill the King. Rebellion gets stronger as strangely happened successfully in Denmark, to some degree. Or if we at least democratize the central banks, taking some power from the likes of CEDE & Co. which is ruled mostly by the Rockefellers and the Rothschild.

Or if we force transparency against the politicians or against the mainstream media. @yerrag complete

 

[MatheusPN]

Summing up, we should just conquer the elite, annihilate those who committed eugenicism and alikes. And finally, retake what the oligarchy robbed from us.

Summing up even more, just conquer the elite wagon, therefore stop doing that:
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1308184634287587330/pu/vid/592x368/HcfxKKMJZBP1DGcA.mp4?tag=10

When the sheep is rather utile or useable for them we have some privileges. But when we are more trouble than useful, the end is there. When a crisis happens the poor are the most affected and then the most easily disposed.

Some ppl treat poor/ homeless ppl as only trouble, as stupid, lazy and inferior ppl. Its easy to imagine what the eugenicist elite thinks about the middle class.

Some far-right middle class person: "We should just put in hospice those homeless junkies"

 

[yerrag]

We can consolidate hope if we have some revolution, which currently is much more difficult than Kill the King. Rebellion gets stronger as strangely happened successfully in Denmark, to some degree. Or if we at least democratize the central banks, taking some power from the likes of CEDE & Co. which is ruled mostly by the Rockefellers and the Rothschild.

Or if we force transparency against the politicians or against the mainstream media. @yerrag complete

What happened successfully in Denmark?

I think that rallying around a figurehead in Trump is easier than trying to create a movement that does all that you speak of. The hope is that a Trump reelection will set the stage for a future realignment of forces favorable to your cause. You've seen how Occupy Wall Street fell apart so easily before. It starts with getting an overhaul under Trump. Without that, the deep state will keep blocking needed reforms.

We will have to move on from being focused on fighting the race war, and into setting our sights into defining the conflict instead as a class conflict. For too long the MSM has been diverting attention to race divisions, in order to keep us from working on improving distribution of income across classes. Try to make the current structure work towards this goal rather than breaking up the structure. The way the country and its institutions are set up isn't the problem, it is in the way they have been corrupted.

 

[LeeLemonoil]

This is where the democrats strategy was absolutely brilliant. Brainwash an army of "by any means necessary" followers who will do anything to get rid of Trump who they believe is like Hitler. Then remove the checks and balances required to detect fraud. Then gaslight the American people into believing election fraud is really rare. Then mail out excessive ballots everywhere. Then print extra ballots and leave them in places where they can be found. Make sure there are a minimal amount of surveillance cameras monitoring all the ballots. Make sure the ballots don't have unique barcodes that will prevent them from being fed through the machine more than once. Then leave it to the army of "by any means necessary" to find all the extra ballots and to do what is necessary to get enough ballots through the system to win the election in the close states. When this strategy is not enough to win, shut down the election in all the swing states to find more fraudulent votes until enough are found to win. Broadcast on the media what Trump's lead is so the "by any means necessary" followers can work harder to find more ballots.

Every single step required to steal this election has built in plausible deniability. The democrats engineered a system to steal the election where no single person could be caught except maybe a handful of low level "by any means necessary" followers. But when these individuals are caught they can just say, "but it's not enough votes to swing the election."

We have witnessed the perfect crime.

In short:
They created the most extensive and inclusive voter fraud organization in US history.

And Joe put it very poignant words on one of his 12 cars, 80 people „rallies“:

„I don’t need you to get me elected, I need you when I’m elected“

He needs a loud, reckless, manipulated minority of „decent, normal, educated people“ that have not the slightest doubt in their minds they are on the right side of history, of democracy. They had the media will crush, defame and suppress anybody who dares to whisper the fascist conspiracy-theory of „fraud“

 

[LeeLemonoil]

What happened successfully in Denmark?

I think that rallying around a figurehead in Trump is easier than trying to create a movement that does all that you speak of. The hope is that a Trump reelection will set the stage for a future realignment of forces favorable to your cause. You've seen how Occupy Wall Street fell apart so easily before. It starts with getting an overhaul under Trump. Without that, the deep state will keep blocking needed reforms.

We will have to move on from being focused on fighting the race war, and into setting our sights into defining the conflict instead as a class conflict. For too long the MSM has been diverting attention to race divisions, in order to keep us from working on improving distribution of income across classes. Try to make the current structure work towards this goal rather than breaking up the structure. The way the country and its institutions are set up isn't the problem, it is in the way they way been corrupted.

I agree mostly.
Very important now is to harness the 50-70 million of Americans that believe that there was election fraud.
These people need to resolve first to never acknowledge Joe Biden as the legitimate President. If he takes office, people should always resist his policies and call him out as the illegitimate felon he is.
It’s the foremost patriotic - but more important - liberal, democratic duty of every citizen to engage in peaceful opposition. Call Biden and his cronies out at every moment, call the media out thar carry this coup.

And in 4 years make a fanal of civil, peaceful resistance and elect a candidate of personal (reasonable) integrity. If such a one exists in the field of candidates that can emerge.
I personally wouldn’t want to see Trump or the Trumps too much involved anymore apart from campaigning

 

[yerrag]

I agree mostly.
Very important now is to harness the 50-70 million of Americans that believe that there was election fraud.
These people need to resolve first to never acknowledge Joe Biden as the legitimate President. If he takes office, people should always resist his policies and call him out as the illegitimate felon he is.
It’s the foremost patriotic - but more important - liberal, democratic duty of every citizen to engage in peaceful opposition. Call Biden and his cronies out at every moment, call the media out thar carry this coup.

And in 4 years make a fanal of civil, peaceful resistance and elect a candidate of personal (reasonable) integrity. If such a one exists in the field of candidates that can emerge.
I personally wouldn’t want to see Trump or the Trumps too much involved anymore apart from campaigning

I think that there is a collective consciousness that previously didn't exist. If anything, the election fraud and its brazenness has further allowed the masses to totally reject the lies and empty promises of the establishment - not just the Democrats but plenty of Republicans as well. I'm not even seeing the struggle anymore as Republican vs. Democrat, but as elites and their sycophants under neocons and neoliberals vs. the people, even from the right as well as the left - true populists.

Already we can see signs of cooperation between Republicans and Democrats that have a populist suasion, from people such as Matt Gaetz, Rand Paul, Ro Khanna, and Tulsi Gabbard. And we also see rejection of opportunistic faux populists such as Elizabeth Warren and even Bernie Sanders. It is not farfetched to see the left and right unite against the neocons and neoliberals.

Some reforms are vital, the most important being the abolishment of a 2-party system and the use of ranked choice voting, but this can be done only after election reforms are made. For too long, election fraud has been going on, and it's only now that it has become front and center of our concerns.

It starts in the US, and it will have a beachhead in Europe soon.

 

[LeeLemonoil]

Already we can see signs of cooperation between Republicans and Democrats that have a populist suasion, from people such as Matt Gaetz, Rand Paul, Ro Khanna, and Tulsi Gabbard. And we also see rejection of opportunistic faux populists such as Elizabeth Warren and even Bernie Sanders. It is not farfetched to see the left and right unite against the neocons and neoliberals.

That is the logical evolution of things, and on principle is to be welcomed.
But at that point caution and care is needed. Ratio and sanity.
What you describe has happened before. It’s the dreaded „Querfront“ of the Weimar Republic. (There are certainly other examples in history. As said, at some breaking point this always happens. It also has mirrors in physiology/biology)

I put it very simple here, though this simplicity is actually incorrect, but for sake of argument.
When streams and positions merge from prior opposing ideologues or social positions it is because both have been disenfranchised, fooled, cheated and exploited by a corrupted elite. So heavily thar this drives thar streams together.
That needs strong leadership and strong idealistic/ideological shared goals. This where the evident thread is. A populist with poor character or vile intentions from the get-go can capture such a movement and merging of streams. Hitler did it. Others did too. That’s to be prevented but it’s difficult.

Let’s not fool ourselves. The right/populist has many followers that are base, stupid, easily manipulated, authoritarian.
Just as the left. These pools are sadly often the accelerating mass of described emerging movements.
They need careful, sane but strict guidance. Wise, integre leadership. And that’s where the dilemma behind or comes full circle. Is there such a thing? I have my doubts.

Best strategy is to focus on the ideological consensus that once was but never actually materialized:
(True) democracy, liberal rule of law. In thid Americans once firmly believed. And they got manipulated and fooled into a disenfranchised class-society internally and a warring, ruthless empire.
This needs to stop and the ideology reconciled with elements that are required to stop that. Indeed, more social justice, but a true one. Not identity and gender crap, but more equal, fairer distribution of wealth, services, opportunities. Whatever that really is. We could find out if an advanced, honest society in 2020 would really focus on it.

These are not novel thoughts - they are cliche in fact. Undertakings easily corrupted and abused. They were before. But they are the only chance. They are clichee but they are the combined wisdom of hundreds of years social development in the west, enacted often only after deepest crisis and failed social hierarchies and structures.
It seems humans evolved to react to crisis and failure with the attempt to let sanity and „more fairness“ try its turn at ruling. But if failed in the 20th and 21th Century. Not because it is wrong but because it got corrupted. That too has reasons and causes we need to enlighten and then find a decent solution to it.
Maybe this is the era we are entering. Post-WW2 West needs to free itself of the mechanisms and people that corrupted its attempt on liberal rule of law. And try all over again without repeating the mistakes.

But as explained, it seems it needs deep crisis for the masses to engage in monumental changes. Are we there yet?
Also, this Time we have elites that are aware of all that and rather adeptly try to thwart that. Can they be defeated?
And don’t we See all the errors repeated even in the nascent stage of developments? Fanatics and populists trying to captureall the benign attempts?

 

[JDreamer]

This is where the democrats strategy was absolutely brilliant. Brainwash an army of "by any means necessary" followers who will do anything to get rid of Trump who they believe is like Hitler. Then remove the checks and balances required to detect fraud. Then gaslight the American people into believing election fraud is really rare. Then mail out excessive ballots everywhere. Then print extra ballots and leave them in places where they can be found. Make sure there are a minimal amount of surveillance cameras monitoring all the ballots. Make sure the ballots don't have unique barcodes that will prevent them from being fed through the machine more than once. Then leave it to the army of "by any means necessary" to find all the extra ballots and to do what is necessary to get enough ballots through the system to win the election in the close states. When this strategy is not enough to win, shut down the election in all the swing states to find more fraudulent votes until enough are found to win. Broadcast on the media what Trump's lead is so the "by any means necessary" followers can work harder to find more ballots.

Every single step required to steal this election has built in plausible deniability. The democrats engineered a system to steal the election where no single person could be caught except maybe a handful of low level "by any means necessary" followers. But when these individuals are caught they can just say, "but it's not enough votes to swing the election."

We have witnessed the perfect crime.

100%.

It just shows you how stupid the booger eating general population is that they'll turn a blind eye to it because it doesn't affect their candidate in this particular race.

 

[nomoreketones]

It just shows you how stupid the booger eating general population is that they'll turn a blind eye to it because it doesn't affect their candidate in this particular race.

I forgot to mention leading up to the race the media was gaslighting the American people into believing checks and balances to prevent fraud are meant to disenfranchise minority voters. Republicans are so afraid of false accusations of racism that they didn't fight to put the checks and balances back in place.

 

[JDreamer]

I forgot to mention leading up to the race the media was gaslighting the American people into believing checks and balances to prevent fraud are meant to disenfranchise minority voters. Republicans are so afraid of false accusations of racism that they didn't fight to put the checks and balances back in place.

Yup, the GOP was spineless about it and the left media was deplorable to use that tactic.