Pregnenolone (P5) blocks stress-induced anxiety, hypertension and cocaine cravings

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A great new study, and with humans too! As the study aptly demonstrates, the primary driver of cocaine cravings is likely stress and the anxiety it causes. This finding is another corroboration of the findings of the great Rat Park experiment/study on "addiction". In the study below, the administration of both 300mg and 500mg P5 daily, blunted both the anxiety and the cocaine cravings induced by stress, with the 500mg dose completely eliminating both anxiety and cravings. The P5 was administered orally, twice daily at a dose of 150mg and 250mg for the 300mg and the 500mg groups respectively. Perhaps the even more valuable finding was that P5, at the 500mg daily dose, completely blocked the elevated heart rate and systolic/diastolic blood pressure caused by the stress. On a related note, P5 has also been shown to block both the development of tolerance as well as the cravings for other "addictive" substances such as alcohol (animal study) and benzodiazepine drugs (human study). In other words, P5 may have a great potential not only for "addiction", but also for hypertension and cardiovascular disease (CVD), since elevated blood pressure and stress are the primary causal factors of the latter. Also, considering the lack of side effects in this study, P5 may actually be preferable to the drugs Big Pharma peddles.

Pregnenolone Reduces Stress-Induced Craving, Anxiety, and Autonomic Arousal in Individuals with Cocaine Use Disorder - PubMed

"...This is the first study to test the effects of two supraphysiologic doses of pregnenolone in an established and validated model of provoked stress- and cocaine cue-induced craving, anxiety and autonomic arousal in individuals with cocaine use disorder (CUD). The study findings show that exogenous pregnenolone (a) increased circulating levels of pregnenolone, (b) decreased stress- and cue-induced craving, (c) dose-specifically reduced anxiety and (d) decreased autonomic responses at the higher dose but not the lower dose. Moreover, despite the small sample sizes and preliminary nature of the study, the results produced large effect sizes in the range of 0.5 to 1.34 for craving, anxiety, and autonomic measures indicating robust effect of pregnenolone doses. These effects sizes also indicated adequate power ranging from 0.90 to 0.99 with the current sample size for detecting differences between the tested doses of pregnenolone and placebo. The current results support the use of human laboratory models as an experimental therapeutic strategy for early assessment of the effects of target compounds such as pregnenolone for intermediate outcomes of drug craving, anxiety and physiological adaptations associated with CUD. On the basis of these results, current findings support pregnenolone as a promising target to reduce provoked craving, anxiety and autonomic system activation in CUD."

"...Both doses of pregnenolone significantly reduced stress- and cocaine cue-induced craving in this study. This finding is very important because, research has repeatedly shown that individuals with CUD experience a stress- and cocaine cue-induced craving state, which is accompanied by enhanced negative emotion and anxiety [3,38,43], and is a strong predicter of relapse [4]. While clinical research in CUD that directly targets neuroactive steroid potentiation is lacking, we previously reported that potentiation of allopregnanolone by high dose exogenous progesterone in individuals with co-morbid alcohol and cocaine use disorder normalized HPA axis responding to stress, improved cognitive performance in response to stress and cue, and overall decreased craving in the laboratory [44]. However, the current study is the first that assessed and found beneficial effects of pregnenolone administration on stress- and cocaine cue-induced craving in individuals with CUD."

"...Pregnenolone reduced cocaine-cue induced anxiety at both doses, and dose-specifically reduced stress-induced anxiety at the higher dose, but not at the lower dose. The reduction in anxiety is clinically relevant, as anxiety is one of the hallmark features of protracted early abstinence symptoms in cocaine use disorder [45,46], and exposure to stress- and cocaine cues results in significant increases in subjective anxiety in individuals with cocaine use disorder [3]. Therefore, reduction in anxiety should be an important target of effective treatment interventions for CUD. Neuroactive steroids have potent anxiolytic properties similar to those induced by other GABAA receptor potentiating drugs [15,16]. Consistent with this previous research, current findings show stress- and cue-induced increases in anxiety in the placebo group, and the ability of the 500 mg/day of pregnenolone to reduce this sensitized anxiety response to stress may have tangible clinical relevance in the overall beneficial effects on treatment outcome and relapse risk in CUD."

"...Pregnenolone also had marked effects on autonomic responses to stress- and cocaine cue provocation. Pregnenolone at the higher dose, but not the lower dose, decreased stress-induced HR response. Similarly, the higher pregnenolone dose reduced stress-induced SBP, and stress-and cue-induced DBP. This is an important finding, as individuals with CUD consistently show adaptations in the autonomic nervous system [47]. Exposure to stress in individuals with cocaine use disorder results in significant increases in cardiovascular output, such as stress-induced increase in heart rate, and systolic and diastolic blood pressure [3]. Current findings suggest that pregnenolone may be reversing some of these autonomic adaptations and reducing the stress-induced cardiovascular hyperactivation, which was again observed in the placebo group."
 

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Thought I’d share my N of 1 of pregnenalone/ “addiction”.

IdeaLabs StressNon was the sole factor in stopping my chronic THC abuse.
I know the mainstream narrative is that THC is not “addicting”, but I have struggled to quit for years. I would get severe withdrawal symptoms, both physically and mentally (anxiety, depression, mood swings, severe lack of appetite, insomnia, night sweats etc etc). After hearing Georgi discuss pregnenalone as an effective way to quit THC on a podcast, I ordered some StressNon and all of those symptoms as well as desire to use THC disappeared.

Highly recommend pregnenalone for anyone looking to kick a bad habit.
 
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Thought I’d share my N of 1 of pregnenalone/ “addiction”.

IdeaLabs StressNon was the sole factor in stopping my chronic THC abuse.
I know the mainstream narrative is that THC is not “addicting”, but I have struggled to quit for years. I would get severe withdrawal symptoms, both physically and mentally (anxiety, depression, mood swings, severe lack of appetite, insomnia, night sweats etc etc). After hearing Georgi discuss pregnenalone as an effective way to quit THC on a podcast, I ordered some StressNon and all of those symptoms as well as desire to use THC disappeared.

Highly recommend pregnenalone for anyone looking to kick a bad habit.
How much did you take?
 

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Pregnenolone at the higher dose, but not the lower dose, decreased stress-induced HR response. Similarly, the higher pregnenolone dose reduced stress-induced SBP, and stress-and cue-induced DBP.

@haidut @Mauritio A couple weeks ago I tried an experiment by mixing 100mg ox bile powder with 50mg pregnenolone in a capsule. I took it late in the afternoon then I went to my computer to do some work. I was very productive and without realizing, 3AM had come and I was still wide awake but very relaxed.
I noticed that my HR was in the low 60s even when standing, when normally it's in high 70s or low 80s. However, by 3:30AM my HR dropped below 60s, BP too although I hadn't measured it, and I became to feel quite uncomfortable. It took me a day to recover from this experience also taking into account the loss of sleep and I wouldn't want to repeat it although I believe mixing just 5 or 10 mg of pregnenolone instead of 50mg would give some nice effects.
It probably caused a high concentration of preg or any of its derivatives with anesthetic effect. In fact all steroids have anesthetic effect if a high concentration is achieved. Selye and other researchers noticed that bile acids administered together with steroids increase their absorption (although not in all situations). For example, oral testosterone propionate was completely ineffective in menopausal women unless administered together with bile acids. This is what prompted me to try the ox bile + preg.

When testosterone propionate is administered orally, the addition of bile salts
considerably enhances its effective absorption. If bile salts are omitted, the clinical
effects, in the dosage employed, are practically absent. This observation has been
repeatedly confirmed in menopausal patients. In the latter, as well as in case 1 (cycle
14), the oral route has been found to be approximately one-seventh as effective per
dose as the subcutaneous one. Foss reports a ratio of 1 to 20 (29). However, he did
not use bile salts.

The ability of bile salts to enhance the water solubility
of steroid hormones was noted as early as 1944 by
Cantarow et al. (1).
 

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How much did you take?
If I remember correctly, I think about 2-7 drops (each drop 1.7 mg) sublingually 2-5 times a day. After first few days of no thc I didn’t feel the need to take it anymore; which is interesting because I used to get cravings / withdrawal symptoms even up to a month after stopping use in the past. I suspect this is due to the fact that pregnenalone promotes its own synthesis in the body; I think it increased my pregnenalone levels even after stopping use
 
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Selye and other researchers noticed that bile acids administered together with steroids increase their absorption

Very interesting, thanks for sharing. As far as the above about bile acids - the same effect can be achieved by taking the steroid (or any other chemical) together with taurine. Taurine increases bile acid synthesis/release but also directly increases absorption of other chemicals it is co-adminstered with. Same goes for caffeine, and if taurine and caffeine are taken together with the steroid, the effects are probably synergistic.
 
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Thought I’d share my N of 1 of pregnenalone/ “addiction”.

IdeaLabs StressNon was the sole factor in stopping my chronic THC abuse.
I know the mainstream narrative is that THC is not “addicting”, but I have struggled to quit for years. I would get severe withdrawal symptoms, both physically and mentally (anxiety, depression, mood swings, severe lack of appetite, insomnia, night sweats etc etc). After hearing Georgi discuss pregnenalone as an effective way to quit THC on a podcast, I ordered some StressNon and all of those symptoms as well as desire to use THC disappeared.

Highly recommend pregnenalone for anyone looking to kick a bad habit.

Awesome, thanks for sharing and glad the StressNon helped. See my comment above about mixing pregnenolone with taurine and/or caffeine for increased effects.
 

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@haidut @Mauritio A couple weeks ago I tried an experiment by mixing 100mg ox bile powder with 50mg pregnenolone in a capsule. I took it late in the afternoon then I went to my computer to do some work. I was very productive and without realizing, 3AM had come and I was still wide awake but very relaxed.
I noticed that my HR was in the low 60s even when standing, when normally it's in high 70s or low 80s. However, by 3:30AM my HR dropped below 60s, BP too although I hadn't measured it, and I became to feel quite uncomfortable. It took me a day to recover from this experience also taking into account the loss of sleep and I wouldn't want to repeat it although I believe mixing just 5 or 10 mg of pregnenolone instead of 50mg would give some nice effects.
It probably caused a high concentration of preg or any of its derivatives with anesthetic effect. In fact all steroids have anesthetic effect if a high concentration is achieved. Selye and other researchers noticed that bile acids administered together with steroids increase their absorption (although not in all situations). For example, oral testosterone propionate was completely ineffective in menopausal women unless administered together with bile acids. This is what prompted me to try the ox bile + preg.
Wouldn't that be a good idea for topical pregnenolone/progesterone ?
Since the absorption is pretty bad as per peat ...
 

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Wouldn't that be a good idea for topical pregnenolone/progesterone ?
Since the absorption is pretty bad as per peat ...

I think for topical pregnenolone lecithin is the best carrier.

In early summer I had great results with Biovea preg cream. It had such an euphoric and empathogenic effect.

At the same time I stumbled upon a patent about using lecithin to improve pregnenolone absorption. I then checked the ingredients on the Biovea bottle and indeed it contained lecithin.

COMPOSITION CONTAINING PREGNENOLONE OR A PREGNENOLONE ESTERENCORPORATED IN LIPOSOMES, AND AMETHOD FOR REGENERATING, OR REVITALZNG THE SKN THEREWTH

It has now been discovered, totally surprisingly and unexpectedly, that pregnenolone or its esters have an enhanced regenerating and revitalizing activity on the skin and superficial body growths when this substance is at least partially incorporated in a hydrated lipidic lamellar phase or in liposomes. In particular, a quite remarkable improvement has been observed in the activity of pregnenolone on protein synthesis. It is thus possible to deduce that the activity of pregnenolone or pregnenolone esters is subject to some kind of potentiating effect in hydrated lipidic lamellar phases or in liposomes.

US5202126A - Composition containing pregnenolone or a pregnenolone ester incorporated in liposomes, and a method for regenerating, or revitalizing the skin therewith - Google Patents
 

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Very interesting, thanks for sharing. As far as the above about bile acids - the same effect can be achieved by taking the steroid (or any other chemical) together with taurine. Taurine increases bile acid synthesis/release but also directly increases absorption of other chemicals it is co-adminstered with. Same goes for caffeine, and if taurine and caffeine are taken together with the steroid, the effects are probably synergistic.
Thanks, well I actually wanted to revisit taurine as I'm trying to improve my bile flow.
I have a septate gallbladder and until now I took taurine only sparingly because it was too stimulating.
But it's so important to let it flow. There is no better defense against endotoxin.
 

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Cool, I've found pregnenolone not only allowed my to permanently quit nicotine and cannabis addiction. Also changed my brain in a way that made me amused instead of irritated by usual things thats caused the latter. It brought back wanting to feel positive for the little things almost childlike joy and enthusiasm enemating from the navel to the chest then neck.
 

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Imagine if Pregnenolone was handed out at rehabs.....I bet the success rate of the rehab would increase substantially.
 

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Cool, I've found pregnenolone not only allowed my to permanently quit nicotine and cannabis addiction. Also changed my brain in a way that made me amused instead of irritated by usual things thats caused the latter. It brought back wanting to feel positive for the little things almost childlike joy and enthusiasm enemating from the navel to the chest then neck.
what brand are you using?
 

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what brand are you using?

Life Extension Pregnenolone 100 mg​

It's certainly no super specialist brand, and ingredient wise also but
At that time I was taking 1.5 to 2 a day for around month. (Take from that what you will.) Now I take 1-2 a week.
 

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Is Life Extension the best kind? I've never taken Pregnenolone but am strongly considering it.
 

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Is Life Extension the best kind? I've never taken Pregnenolone but am strongly considering it.
It's the only brand of pregnenolone I've tried, somewhat blindly too. I want to test and find better.
 

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Cool, I've found pregnenolone not only allowed my to permanently quit nicotine and cannabis addiction. Also changed my brain in a way that made me amused instead of irritated by usual things thats caused the latter. It brought back wanting to feel positive for the little things almost childlike joy and enthusiasm enemating from the navel to the chest then neck.
That's the type of emotional/behavioral change I need. I'm living with continuous intense stress from bipolar illness along wiht being caregiver for my wife who has middle stage Alzheimer's. She's never been interested in trying any supplements or changing her diet, so please, no suggestions. I'm sad that she won't let me help her. I have to take care of myself and come out the other side of this emotionally sound and physically strong.
 
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