There have been various discussions on this forum regarding personal problems from getting all glucose and fructose, or the vast majority, from solely fruit, milk and table sugar.
I've tried this 'optimal' protocol, and instinctually cannot continue. A day without rice, potatoes or wheat is just a bad day for me. I much prefer potatoes to rice, and in turn rice to wheat, but I'd have any of them over none at all.
There are a couple of arguments generally brought up:
1. I should push on through. It's just part of the adaptation process, and I'll look back at my starch eating days with a chuckle. I'm living the zero-starch American Dream, and oh boy I feel sorry for my Soviet comrades who didn't have the grit to escape their repressive starchy prisons. I'm now burning energy perfectly, my CO2 production is vastly improved from high fructose consumption, and all my health and psychological problems have disappeared from my hard-fought campaign to obliterate endotoxin from my gut. I've reached the Peat nirvana, I am Adam.
2. You are doing it wrong. You need to add more liver, or oysters, or lightly blanched collard greens, or take 12 grams of salt with your freshly juiced perfectly ripe oranges. Or whatever.
Anyways, I just think people are far too focused on this high sugar scenario. I understand the argument against starches, and wheat is definitely bad news to some degree, rice tastes dull, but edible. Well cooked potatoes however, are essential I believe.
It could well be that living in Britain and being able to get naturally grown Jersey Royal new potatoes significantly improves the biological effects of the food. I'm not sure.
It started with me feeling like I was somewhat better following the various protocols subscribed (high coffee consumption, l-theanine, limited meat consumption, zero pufa, low fat in general, fruit and dairy daily, soft drinks, aspirin etc etc.)
But as time went on I was putting on weight, and generally my gut health was getting worse. I was putting on abdominal fat, and no, it wasn't because I was consuming too much fat, or that I couldn't handle the change in energy utilisation (I'm a young male with no previous health complications).
So I decided to lean into 'the potato diet'. From the first bite of well cooked potato I knew this is what I needed. My guts cleared up, I dropped water weight initially, but then it sustained, I was happier, and getting healthier. I still consume a lot of skimmed milk, lean meats, eggs, tropical fruits etc. But I crave nothing more that a big bowl of potatoes, with a stocky meaty stew, or something similar, almost as a condiment.
It warms me up, my muscles seem to ease up a lot, my thoughts flow more clearly, I sleep much better, I want to be active and move about, and so on. I think people on this forum can definitely fall prey to what they fundamentally despise, namely scientific reductionism. I know there are studies on starch problems. Fine. But many people start a potato centred diet as a quick fix for weight loss, and find they never stop. Then there's that Japanese region where potatoes are the bulk of the calories, and they are some of the longest living in the world. And the Pacific Islanders. And I'm sure there is evidence on the other side of the equation, showing no consumption of potatoes, rice etc is problematic.
Anyways, I think a lot of you could solve most of your remaining maladies by eating them. Importantly, not with dairy fat. Therein seems to lie the problem. Eat them on a low fat diet.
Forgive me for not remembering the name, but a lady on this forum introduced some very important information on wet starches, and the unique, I would argue necessary, effect this has. As I recall it was something along the lines of only wet starches can sufficiently shuttle glycogen to the muscles, or wherever else that wonderful stuff needs to end up.
Finally, I've put a few quotes from Ray himself, which seem to add some balance to this debate that any starchy food will be destructive:
'Well cooked potatoes, with butter or cream, are a very good way to get carbohydrate, if you aren't allergic to them, because they contain a good balance of amino acids, too, as well as minerals and B vitamins.'
'Well cooked white potatoes, such as russets, are very nutritious, and the (cooked) juice is just something for people with extreme metabolic or digestive problems.'
'Roots, shoots, and tubers are, next to the fruits, a good carbohydrate source; potatoes are a source of good protein.'
I've tried this 'optimal' protocol, and instinctually cannot continue. A day without rice, potatoes or wheat is just a bad day for me. I much prefer potatoes to rice, and in turn rice to wheat, but I'd have any of them over none at all.
There are a couple of arguments generally brought up:
1. I should push on through. It's just part of the adaptation process, and I'll look back at my starch eating days with a chuckle. I'm living the zero-starch American Dream, and oh boy I feel sorry for my Soviet comrades who didn't have the grit to escape their repressive starchy prisons. I'm now burning energy perfectly, my CO2 production is vastly improved from high fructose consumption, and all my health and psychological problems have disappeared from my hard-fought campaign to obliterate endotoxin from my gut. I've reached the Peat nirvana, I am Adam.
2. You are doing it wrong. You need to add more liver, or oysters, or lightly blanched collard greens, or take 12 grams of salt with your freshly juiced perfectly ripe oranges. Or whatever.
Anyways, I just think people are far too focused on this high sugar scenario. I understand the argument against starches, and wheat is definitely bad news to some degree, rice tastes dull, but edible. Well cooked potatoes however, are essential I believe.
It could well be that living in Britain and being able to get naturally grown Jersey Royal new potatoes significantly improves the biological effects of the food. I'm not sure.
It started with me feeling like I was somewhat better following the various protocols subscribed (high coffee consumption, l-theanine, limited meat consumption, zero pufa, low fat in general, fruit and dairy daily, soft drinks, aspirin etc etc.)
But as time went on I was putting on weight, and generally my gut health was getting worse. I was putting on abdominal fat, and no, it wasn't because I was consuming too much fat, or that I couldn't handle the change in energy utilisation (I'm a young male with no previous health complications).
So I decided to lean into 'the potato diet'. From the first bite of well cooked potato I knew this is what I needed. My guts cleared up, I dropped water weight initially, but then it sustained, I was happier, and getting healthier. I still consume a lot of skimmed milk, lean meats, eggs, tropical fruits etc. But I crave nothing more that a big bowl of potatoes, with a stocky meaty stew, or something similar, almost as a condiment.
It warms me up, my muscles seem to ease up a lot, my thoughts flow more clearly, I sleep much better, I want to be active and move about, and so on. I think people on this forum can definitely fall prey to what they fundamentally despise, namely scientific reductionism. I know there are studies on starch problems. Fine. But many people start a potato centred diet as a quick fix for weight loss, and find they never stop. Then there's that Japanese region where potatoes are the bulk of the calories, and they are some of the longest living in the world. And the Pacific Islanders. And I'm sure there is evidence on the other side of the equation, showing no consumption of potatoes, rice etc is problematic.
Anyways, I think a lot of you could solve most of your remaining maladies by eating them. Importantly, not with dairy fat. Therein seems to lie the problem. Eat them on a low fat diet.
Forgive me for not remembering the name, but a lady on this forum introduced some very important information on wet starches, and the unique, I would argue necessary, effect this has. As I recall it was something along the lines of only wet starches can sufficiently shuttle glycogen to the muscles, or wherever else that wonderful stuff needs to end up.
Finally, I've put a few quotes from Ray himself, which seem to add some balance to this debate that any starchy food will be destructive:
'Well cooked potatoes, with butter or cream, are a very good way to get carbohydrate, if you aren't allergic to them, because they contain a good balance of amino acids, too, as well as minerals and B vitamins.'
'Well cooked white potatoes, such as russets, are very nutritious, and the (cooked) juice is just something for people with extreme metabolic or digestive problems.'
'Roots, shoots, and tubers are, next to the fruits, a good carbohydrate source; potatoes are a source of good protein.'
Fried in loads of coconut oil. 
Everything else is pretty low fat.
