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Potassium Ascorbate With Ribose For Cancer (With Cell Level Explanation Inside) Possible Treatment

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    Potassium ascorbate is a salt derived from vitamin C that is totally non-toxic and free from side effects.


    The compound can be extemporaneously (i.e. without any preparation) obtained by dissolving ascorbic acid (150 mg) and potassium bicarbonate (300 mg of which 117 mg potassium) in water. It has a pH level that tends to neutralize in less than a minute. The two components have to be dissolved in 20 cc water (about two fingers high) without using a metallic spoon (because of the potential risk of oxidation of the ascorbic acid).

    Potassium ascorbate is related to the studies and research of the Florentine biochemist Dr. Gianfrancesco Valsè Pantellini and its ‘story’ starts in 1948 when a goldsmith and friend of Dr. Pantellini, affected with inoperable stomach cancer, experiences unexpectedly and absolutely extraordinary results after taking lemon juice in which he accidentally dissolved potassium bicarbonate instead of sodium bicarbonate. Pantellini studied and analyzed this subject for about twenty years, leading to two specific publications in 1970 and 1974 in the Journal of Medical Pathology.

    Oxidative processes linked to the presence of free radicals are involved in the impetus and development of cancer. Free radicals (substances with a high chemical reactivity) are the main reason for the mechanism of oxidative stress. Living organisms tend to maintain a constant level of the concentration of these oxidizing agents to ensure normal biological processes.

    Based on the studies of Dr. Pantellini, we are convinced that oxidative stress damages cell membrane structures, in particular the sodium-potassium ATPase (also known as the Na/K pump). This causes (an initially mild) depolarization and an increasingly greater alteration of the active transport mechanism of these two electrolytes, that have very different but fundamental functions in the cellular organization; potassium is the main regulator of intracellular metabolic processes through reversible salification of amino groups and imino of enzymes and proteins in a slightly acid environment; the other, sodium, is the main regulator of the alkaline reserve of the organism at extracellular level, with reversible salification of carboxylic groups of enzymes and proteins in a more or less basic environment.

    In this way we obtain an increasingly bigger modification of the acid-based environment and redox-reactions between cytoplasmic molecules.

    We are convinced that this fact constitutes the activating mechanism (trigger) for mutation into a cancerogene cell. In fact, research relating to the sarcoma (malignant tumor) of Rous that was already published in the 30′s (Moraveck and Kishi) proved that the neoplastic cell is lacking potassium and rich of sodium, with an increasingly greater imbalance along with the development of cell degeneration.

    This seems to be the common denominator in all neoplastic diseases and is also verifiable through a careful evaluation of the four hematic electrolytes (sodium, calcium, potassium, magnesium) in the blood.

    The described mechanism turns out to be very dangerous for the cell when:


    • it activates a rapid transfer of calcium from intracellular deposits (mitochondria), that could be responsible for mitogenic activation (i.e. cell duplication);

    • it allows a considerable transport of glucose into the cytoplasm (together with sodium, SGLUT symport) with a speed that increases along with the increasingly greater alteration of the sodium/potassium pump (which is the only active control element of the two electrolytes).


    These processes lead to a modification in cell respiration, with a decrease of oxidative phosphorylation and a substantial increase of glycolysis. The production of lactic acids, formed by pyruvate reduction, is also increased. Moreover, this pyruvate reduction prevents the start of the S-phase of the mitosis and its steady decrease in the cytoplasm (for the conversion into lactic acid) takes this block on mitosis away, pushing the cell towards uncontrolled proliferation.

    So we have a modification of the intracellular pH that tends to become lightly alkaline, and a modification of the cellular respiration with a significant alteration of the Krebs cycle.

    These facts together tend to result in an alteration in form and action of proteins and cytoplasmic enzymes, leading to a polymerization of RNA and a transfer of incorrect information between the ‘periphery’ and the ‘operative center’ (DNA). This leads to the mutation of the nuclear DNA and carcinogenesis.

    In conclusion, the following hypothesis on which we are working now is that degeneration does not arise from a direct damage in the nuclear DNA, but from a problem in the cytoplasm, which means the damage occurs at the peripherical level (cell membrane). This would actually mean that operation of DNA can be strongly influenced by various components of the same cellular environment as well as by cell-to-cell signals.

    From experience and data of Dr. Pantellini first and those of the Foundation now it seems that potassium ascorbate, also and especially in its newest formula with ribose, interferes with this process in a major way; it protects the cell against oxidative stress and inhibits the uncontrolled proliferation mechanism.

    These facts can be related to the transporting (‘carrier’) characteristics of ascorbic acid for potassium (and with the catalytic activity of ribose in the ‘new’ formula) as a result from its heterocyclic structure, together with its antioxidant action.

    The compound’s action is related to the characteristics of potassium as ‘guiding’ cation and metabolic regulator at intracellular level and to the ‘carrier’ action of vitamin C, which in this specific case performs a similar function to that of the sodium/potassium pump.

    The release of potassium inside a cancerous cell can provoke a corresponding runoff of sodium (hence glucose) in the intracellular environment. In this way we can obtain:


    • a new modification of the local, intracellular pH;

    • a rapid decrease of nutritional reserves reducing glycolysis and re-establishing the potential block on mitosis. Thus, it seems possible to inhibit the uncontrolled proliferation process.


    Furthermore, potassium ascorbate can effectively serve on the level of prevention, maintaining constant intracellular potassium levels. In fact, as previously explained, the imbalance of these intracellular levels with the ‘intrusion’ of sodium from extracellular areas would be responsible for (or at least highly involved in) the chain of events that could lead to transformation of a cell into a neoplastic cell. Preventive intake of potassium ascorbate therefore has the objective to protect the cell from the risk of degeneration.

    In recent years, the formula has been enriched with ribose which performs a catalytic activity, increasing the speed of the process by which potassium is transferred into cells. For further information, please go to the corresponding section on this website.

    Preventive intake of the compound by adults generally consists of taking one dose per day, preferably in the morning on empty stomach 15 minutes before breakfast (unless otherwise indicated based on the evaluation of blood test/parameters).

    In the presence of an oncologic disease it is generally recommended to take 3 daily doses (in the morning on empty stomach, 15 minutes before breakfast; and 45 minutes before lunch and dinner).

    It is always advisable to have an assessment made by a competent person in order to be able to suggest the most appropriate dose for each situation.


    Dr. Guido Paoli
    Scientific director
    (responsible for scientific research at the Pantellini Foundation)



    Source: Potassium Ascorbate || Information - Fondazione Valsè Pantellini


    What do the experts think of this?

    I would like to hear opinions!

    Thanks.


    Also:


    Truth

    Cancer is not a disease. Not in the sense that has been given to this word. Nobel Prize winner Rita Levi-Montalcini already said this more than 50 years ago in a letter she wrote to her sister.


    A TRANSLATED PART OF THE TEXT FROM THE LETTER TO HER SISTER:
    ‘First of all, cancer cannot be defined as a disease. At least not in the sense that is generally given to the term ‘disease’, which is a pathological process (either fast or slow, reversible or irreversible) of an organism, and does not take into account the causes. (…) Cancer is the revolt of a cell (which generates millions of them while multiplying) towards rules that regulate the development and vitality of the organism.’

    (Ref: Levi-Montalcini R., ‘Letter from St. Louis’, 10 March 1951, reported/quoted in ‘Cantico di una vita’, Raffaello Cortina Ed., Milan, 2000.)


    At the Pantellini Foundation we agree with Rita Levi-Montalcini and her letter. While developing this concept from our point of view, we believe that cancer is a defect in cell communication through which DNA receives and consequently evaluates and processes information. This defect leads the DNA to create modifications in some basic sequences that constitute the rungs of the spiral staircase, i.e. its double helix structure.


    This would of course mean that the DNA is capable of interacting with the cytoplasmic environment and herewith surpasses, or better, breaks with what is considered the ‘central dogma of molecular biology’ that was introduced more than 30 years ago by Nobel Prize winner Francis Crick. According to his research, DNA works essentially one-way towards the synthesis of proteins and cannot receive any kind of instruction or information. We are deeply convinced however that in reality things are very different (see: Paoli G., La via del sale, Scienza e Conoscenza n. 21 (The way of salt, Science and Knowledge, n. 21), July 2007, reported at this website under the section ‘Learn more – Publications’).


    In order to understand what cancer really is, we will probably have to reconsider and re-examine the evolution of life on our planet in depth, because we believe that somehow it has always been part of us. It is such a vast and complex matter that this page on our website is surely not enough to clarify the subject in the way we would like. We will probably be able to issue another publication soon that justifies our reflections on this matter.


    This is obviously one of our interpretations that we would like to present being open to discussion and constructive criticism. We do not claim in any way, shape or form to hold the truth, simply because up to now no one holds the truth; everyone can contribute with his or her research, but should always be aware of the fact that what he or she believes to be the truth, could always be superseded by new data, new measures and new interpretations. As Mark Twain already said:

    ‘The trouble with the world is not that people know too little; it’s that they know so many things that just aren’t so’.


    Source: Truth || - Fondazione Valsè Pantellini


    And a link with all or alot scientific studies and sources: Studies || Publications - Fondazione Valsè Pantellini


    POTASSIUM WITH RIBOSE

    Potassium ascorbate with ribose is a salt derived from vitamin C that is completely non-toxic and free from side effects. The compound can be extemporaneously (i.e. without preparation) obtained by dissolving ascorbic acid (150 mg), potassium bicarbonate (300 mg, of which 117 mg potassium) and ribose (3 mg) in water. It has a pH level that tends to neutralize in less than a minute. The components have to be dissolved in 20 cc water (about two fingers high) without using a metallic spoon (because of the potential risk of oxidation of the ascorbic acid).

    Oxidative processes linked to the presence of free radicals are involved in the impetus and development of cancer. Free radicals (substances with a high chemical reactivity) are the main reason for the mechanism of oxidative stress. Living organisms tend to maintain a constant level of the concentration of these oxidizing agents to ensure normal biological processes.

    Based on the studies of dr. Pantellini, we are convinced that oxidative stress damages cell membrane structures, in particular the sodium/potassium ATP-ase (also known as the Na/K pump). This causes (an initially mild) depolarization and an increasingly greater alteration of the active transport mechanism of these two electrolytes. that have very different but fundamental functions in the cellular organization; potassium is the main regulator of intracellular metabolic processes through reversible salification of amino groups and imino of enzymes and proteins in a slightly acid environment; the other, sodium, is the main regulator of the alkaline reserve of the organism at extracellular level, with reversible salification of carboxylic groups of enzymes and proteins in a more or less basic environment.
    In this way we obtain an increasingly bigger modification of the acid-based environment and redox-reactions between cytoplasmic molecules.

    We are convinced that this fact constitutes the activating mechanism (trigger) for mutation into a cancerogene cell. In fact, research relating to the sarcoma (malignant tumor) of Rous that was already published in the 30′s (Moraveck e Kishi) proved that the neoplastic cell is lacking potassium and is rich of sodium, with an increasingly greater imbalance along with the development of cell degeneration.

    This seems to be the common denominator in all neoplastic diseases and is also verifiable through a careful evaluation of the 4 hematic electrolytes (sodium, calcium, potassium, magnesium).

    The described mechanism turns out to be very dangerous for the cell when:


    • it activates a rapid transfer of calcium from intracellular deposits (mitochondria), that could be responsible for mitogenic activation (i.e. cell duplication);


    • it allows a considerable transport of glucose in the cytoplasm (together with sodium, SGLUT symport), with a speed that increases along with the increasingly greater alteration of the sodium/potassium pump (which is the only active control element on the two electrolytes).


    These processes lead to a modification in cell respiration, with a decrease of oxiditative phosphorylation and a substantial increase of glycolysis. The production of lactic acids, formed by pyruvate reduction, is also increased. Furthermore this pyruvate reduction prevents the start of the S-phase of the mitosis and its steady decrease in the cytoplasm (for the conversion into lactic acid) takes this block on mitosis away, pushing the cell towards uncontrolled proliferation.

    So we have a modification of the intracellular pH that tends to become lightly alkaline, and a modification of the cellular respiration with a significant alteration of the Krebs cycle.

    These facts together tend to result in an alteration in form and action of proteins and cytoplasmic enzymes, leading to a polymerization of RNA and a transfer of incorrect information between the ‘periphery’ and the ‘operative center’ (DNA). This leads to the mutation of the nuclear DNA and carcinogenesis.

    In conclusion, the following hypothesis on which we are working now is that degeneration does not arise from a direct damage in the nuclear DNA, but from a problem in the cytoplasm, which means the damage would occur at the peripherical level (cell membrane). This would actually mean that operation of DNA can be strongly influenced by various components of the same cellular environment as well as by cell-to-cell signals.

    From experience and data of Dr. Pantellini first and those of the Foundation now it seems that potassium ascorbate with ribose interferes with this process in a major way; it protects the cell against oxidative stress and inhibits the uncontrolled proliferation mechanism.

    The compound’s action is connected to the characteristics of potassium as ‘guiding’ cation and metabolic regulator at intracellular level and to the transporting (‘carrier’) action of vitamin C, which in this specific case performs a similar function to that of the sodium/potassium pump as a consequence of its heterocyclic structure.

    The release of potassium inside a cancerous cell can provoke a corresponding runoff of sodium (hence glucose) in the intracellular environment. In this way we can obtain:


    • a new modification of the local, intracellular pH


    • a rapid decrease of nutritional reserves, reducing glycolysis and re-establishing the potential block on mitosis. Thus, it seems possible to inhibit the uncontrolled proliferation process.


    Ribose plays a very important role in cell metabolism. It is a sugar that is directly involved in the synthesis of nucleotides. It is a fundamental forerunner in the biosynthesis of RNA and adenosine, which is an essential component in the ATP and ATP-ase sodium-potassium production (the so-called Na/K pump) and in its deoxyribose form in the synthesis of DNA.

    Our body is able to produce ribose. In certain conditions, however, this process of synthesis can be limited, or worse, damaged. This fact has already been pointed out in scientific research published in the United States in the ’50s.

    When taken orally, ribose is metabolized and does not interfere (at least when taking the by the Pantellini Foundation recommended doses) with glycolysis.

    Using a low concentration of ribose in respect to the quantity of ascorbid acid results in its potential catalytic activity; it accelerates the process of potassium absorption in the cytoplasmic cell, also because it does not follow the vitamin C process, which is transformed into oxalic acid and will leave the body via the kidneys just a few hours after intake, and it is ‘consumed’ in a different way.

    Furthermore, potassium ascorbate can effectively serve at the level of prevention, maintaining constant intracellular potassium levels.
    Preventive intake of potassium ascorbate therefore has the objective to ‘protect’ the cell from the risk of degeneration.

    Preventive ingestion of the compound by adults generally consists of taking one dose per day, preferably in the morning on empty stomach 15 minutes before breakfast (unless otherwise indicated based on the evaluation of blood test/parameters).

    In the presence of an oncologic disease it is generally recommended to take 3 daily doses (the morning on empty stomach, 15 minutes before breakfast; and 45 minutes before lunch and dinner).
    It is always advisable to have an assessment made by a competent person in order to be able to suggest the most appropriate dose for each situation.



    Dr. Guido Paoli
    Scientific director
    (responsible for scientific research at the Pantellini Foundation)



    Source: Potassium with ribose || Information - Fondazione Valsè Pantellini



    Also interesting:


    "After the disastrous accident at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant in 1986, he offered his help to the people of the ex-Soviet Union that were directly affected by nuclear radiation, creating appropriate outlines (schemes) based on Potassium ascorbate intake. In honor of these efforts, he was awarded a Red Star Medal by the Russian Academy of Sciences in Moscow. The award certificate of honors mentions ‘outstanding achievements in science aimed at the population of de Soviet Union’ (this was in fact in 1987-1988, the period in which Gorbachev was the President of the USSR)."



    Source: Gianfrancesco Valsè Pantellini || Informazioni - Fondazione Valsè Pantellini


    Full text:


    GIANFRANCESCO VALSÈ PANTELLINI



    This is a story about a discovery that occurred by chance, as often happens in physics and science. Science is not only about the great events. It is about being able to be wondered by the small things, that makes a person great.


    Dr. Gianfrancesco Valsè Pantellini was born on April 2, 1917 in Ruffina, a small village in Tuscany, where he lived together with his father Italo and his mother Margherita until 1929. Paternal influence (his father was a doctor) and the boy’s curiosity led him on the path of scientific research and he began to devote himself to electrochemical studies together with the pharmacist of the village.
    He continues his studies in Florence, first at the La Querce College and later at the private high school Liceo Michelangelo where he obtained his diploma studying 3 years in just 1 academic year. He enrolled at the University of Florence, Faculty of Chemistry in 1936 and took the specialization Bio-organic Chemistry.
    Although the war interrupted his studies, he remained active in this field serving as Chemical Official (officer in chemical engineering) at the Genio Guastatori, a department of the Italian army, and worked at various locations such as Udine (north of Italy), Russia and France. In 1943, he meets the famous mathematician Luigi Fantappiè in Rome.


    After the war, he resumes his studies in Florence where he graduated in Bio-organic Chemistry in 1947. He then attends the Institute of Theoretical Physics in Naples for a year. During a stay in Paris, he meets physician Louis Kervran and deepens his research on cold fusion in the human body.
    After coming back to Florence again, he decides to go to the Autonomous Tumor Center in Ancona (Centro Autonomo Tumori) where he collaborated for more than a year with professors Protti, Gusso and Neubauer. He had his first experiences here following enzymatic research of yeast and their pyroertic action towards the neoplastic cell.


    He returned to Florence in 1949 and while he worked for several small pharmaceutical companies, in private he was dedicated to researching tumors. He personally participated in different congresses on Cancerology including those in Florence, Cremona, Baden Baden and New York. Being part of an international research group on cancer that used non-conventional research methods, he was nominated Member of the prestigious New York Academy of Sciences (NYAS) and the International Society for Cryosurgery.


    After the disastrous accident at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant in 1986, he offered his help to the people of the ex-Soviet Union that were directly affected by nuclear radiation, creating appropriate outlines (schemes) based on Potassium ascorbate intake. In honor of these efforts, he was awarded a Red Star Medal by the Russian Academy of Sciences in Moscow. The award certificate of honors mentions ‘outstanding achievements in science aimed at the population of de Soviet Union’ (this was in fact in 1987-1988, the period in which Gorbachev was the President of the USSR).


    The discovery really happened by accident in 1947. A Florentine goldsmith named Giovanni that Valsè Pantellini was well acquainted with fell ill with stomach cancer. Prof. Valdoni diagnosed him inoperable, indicating he would just have a few months left to live. Suffering from severe stomach pain, Valsè Pantellini advised the goldsmith to take lemon juice with bicarbonate.
    Deeply concerned about the health condition of Giovanni, Pantellini goes to visit the man after one year and finds him completely recovered, fit as a fiddle even. Somewhat surprised he asked him what kind of cure he had been taking. Giovanni answered that he simply continued taking lemon juice with bicarbonate as suggested by Pantellini. He then took a closer look at the jar from which Giovanni had been adding with a teaspoon a small amount of bicarbonate into the lemon juice and saw that the jar had an unusual appearance. He turned it around to read the label and noticed that instead of sodium bicarbonate, he had been taking potassium bicarbonate!


    The man lived another twenty years and then died because of a heart attack.
    ‘It was mind-blowing to see this unexpected miracle, which was actually the result of a misunderstanding’, describes Pantellini one day. ‘I made the radiologists double-check because I thought they made a mistake with the X-rays, but no, the results were real. This fact made me think a lot and I began to wonder what had happened’.


    He then retrieved the results of an old research done by Moraweck and Kishi in 1932, in which they emphasized a high percentage of potassium inside healthy cells, and a low percentage of potassium in neoplastic tissue and non-neoplastic tissue that carried a malignant tumor. At that moment, Pantellini’s potassium ascorbate ‘adventure’ started.


    We have to underline that the first scientific work of Dr. Pantellini was presented and published in the Journal of Medical Pathology not earlier than 1970, more than 22 years after this important encounter. Dr. Pantellini was part of an (unfortunately increasingly rare) array of people that feels the necessity to verify, experiment, prove again and analyze something in depth before talking about it in public. Only when he was reasonably sure of the credibility and reproducibility of his data, he decided to officially present the fruits of his labor.


    This work was followed by another study published 4 years later (1974) in the same Journal and then, apart from Andromeda’s ‘last’ publication ‘The co-factor K+, 50 years of research and therapy against tumors’, further publications ceased. To requests for new publications Pantellini’s answer was always the same: ‘I said what I had to say. Now it is up to others to verify it. I cannot lose time writing, I have to work!’, meaning that he would continuously have to answer people addressing him while he just wanted to continue his research and study in order to discover new pathways and insights on the matter.
    This is when he came to the intuitive idea of introducing ribose into the compound.


    With this website, we would like to honor the moral and professional stature of this extraordinary man and his great contribution to humanity. He was humble and dignified, always respectful towards people and patients in particular.
    In order that Pantellini’s work and insights become more and more noted, the Pantellini Foundation will unworthily and undeservingly continue his work, so that more and more people can experiment and verify that what we present is not just nonsense or worse, speculation, but instead represents an important resource for all of us.




    An excerpt on D-Ribose:

    CAUTION: Do not take D-ribose if you are younger than 60, and then only if monitored by a medical practitioner knowing expected length of life, and assessment of risk/benefit which includes analysis of overall lifetime dietary sugars, animal proteins and fats, and family history for cancers and dementia. These might indicate damage already present from AGEs. Wow, now that is a real bombshell.

    Why? Research out of China reveals that D-ribose participates in forming AGEs faster than any other form of sugar. AGEs are indicated in many degenerative diseases, including Alzheimer's. ref Plus, cancer cells use more ribose than normal cells to grow faster. Thus, the under 60 should especially use with caution. Every little bit builds up and at some point, it may be too late to correct or mitigate these influences. ref

    EVERYTHING IS ALWAYS A MATTER OF DEGREES. IF OVERALL SUGAR IN DIET IS LOW, RIBOSE USE WOULD HAVE LESS OF AN EFFECT. But, the typical American diet is fat too high in sugars and oxidizing stress that adding D-Ribose could push glycation activities into overdrive. If cancer not present, Ribose could help prevent, but if there is a family history, best to stay away.

    Testing safety of Ribose might not have lasted long enough for AGEs to be detected, or even associated. Yes, most references used animal studies and more research in humans is vitally needed. Benefits have to be balanced against risks, and using age as a factor for how long it takes AGEs to form and Ribose to influence health. Or at what amount Ribose would impact AGEs formation compared to overall sugar amounts in diet. Short term use may be more appropriate. Here is the research for the DO NOT USE recommendation for RIBOSE. ref ref ref

    One nutrient of value to help slow down or prevent AGEs formation, Carnosine. ref

    Here is a study looking at the amount of AGEs already formed in different foods, often influenced by cooking methods and temperatures, and their effects on inflammatory markers after consumption by diabetics. ref Look at the changes on some of these inflammation markers. This is a very revealing important small study on the impact of diet and cooking methods on health. Foods with high AGEs already formed, increase the amount of AGEs the body produces.

    Ribose and Cancer

    It is of interest to note that ribose can play a positive role with potassium in cancer cells. At just the right concentration, ribose may carry potassium into cancer cells which slows the division rate of these cells. D-ribose also participates in Krebs pathway to supply energy to healthy cells, but cancer cells must hinder this uptake by healthy cells and take more for themselves. More to discover here.

    Source: D-Ribose - Supplements of Merit - Vitaminworkshop.com


    So D-Ribose is something one should be cautious about. I wonder what Ray Peat's comment on potassium ascorbate and D-Ribose would be.

    Further links definitely worth the read:

    How to use || - Fondazione Valsè Pantellini
    Prevention || - Fondazione Valsè Pantellini
    FAQ || - Fondazione Valsè Pantellini

    From the FAQ:

    2) Why is potassium ascorbate not officially recognized (yet)?


    Experts in the medical-scientific field often do not know the grounds and foundations of the Pantellini method. Some publications date back more than 40 years and only a few recent publications have been made, almost all exclusively by the Pantellini Foundation, as much as to this point where people often tend to confuse potassium ascorbate, with or without ribose, with ‘simple’ vitamin C. It is even often said that taking an orange juice or a banana will do! In reality, as we have already repeated multiple times on this site, potassium ascorbate is a salt derived from vitamin C and works completely differently.

    Moreover, speaking of ‘simple’ vitamin C brings to mind Pauling, Cameron and Wilson’s work in the 60s-70s, who obtained apparently contradictory results using very high doses (a couple dozens of grams) of ascorbic acid distributed intravenously. In this case, it has to be noted however that in reality this procedure leads to a formation of a derivative salt known as sodium ascorbate, and not to potassium ascorbate!
    Unfortunately there is an observed tendency to place the method based on potassium ascorbate (with or without ribose) in the field of the so-called ‘alternative therapies’ (see previous question), which basically induces a defensive attitude and a pronounced exclusion (ostracism) from the part of health care facilities.

    On the other hand, many doctors and researchers, not only in Italy but also from other parts of Europe and the world, are aware of the studies of Dr. Pantellini and have been able to experience the potential beneficial effects directly on their own patients. Unfortunately, due to the current prevailing professional ostracizable atmosphere and bureaucratic difficulties, the argument often (but fortunately not always!) gets put down. In the best case, it is conveyed through direct informal contact between people based on the word of mouth.

    There is also the widespread, but in our view decisively unscientific belief that such a complex problem like cell degeneration requires a similar complex and thus costly solution. The research on particular controlling enzymes for example, or the activation and deactivation of appropriate genes, or the formation of new, highly selected medication, are methodologies that require enormous expenditure and highly specialized laboratories.
    Since all over the world unimaginable amounts of money (tens of millions of euros!) are being invested in trying to find solutions that are still, unfortunately, far from being found, people consequently tend to exclude that with potassium bicarbonate and a bit of lemon juice significant benefits and results can be obtained.

    Moreover, excessive specialization and concentrating too much on particular questions and issues can lead to losing sight of the ‘general vision’ of a problem. It is like looking at a forest from too close and thus only seeing the bark of a single tree. This could limit our capacity to identify other paths to follow.

    Another aspect that cannot be neglected is that the potassium ascorbate method (with or without ribose) has extremely limited costs compared to any other drug or medication in use and it almost seems that it might therefore not be interesting enough from the pharmaceutical point of view.

    FAQ || - Fondazione Valsè Pantellini
     
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    Potassium Ascorbate can be ordered online. Any thoughts @Travis?
     
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    This is why I suspect it must not be a good idea for someone that's weak to start the day with sodium bicarbonate on empty stomach.
     
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    An excerpt on D-Ribose:

    CAUTION: Do not take D-ribose if you are younger than 60, and then only if monitored by a medical practitioner knowing expected length of life, and assessment of risk/benefit which includes analysis of overall lifetime dietary sugars, animal proteins and fats, and family history for cancers and dementia. These might indicate damage already present from AGEs. Wow, now that is a real bombshell.

    Why? Research out of China reveals that D-ribose participates in forming AGEs faster than any other form of sugar. AGEs are indicated in many degenerative diseases, including Alzheimer's. ref Plus, cancer cells use more ribose than normal cells to grow faster. Thus, the under 60 should especially use with caution. Every little bit builds up and at some point, it may be too late to correct or mitigate these influences. ref

    EVERYTHING IS ALWAYS A MATTER OF DEGREES. IF OVERALL SUGAR IN DIET IS LOW, RIBOSE USE WOULD HAVE LESS OF AN EFFECT. But, the typical American diet is fat too high in sugars and oxidizing stress that adding D-Ribose could push glycation activities into overdrive. If cancer not present, Ribose could help prevent, but if there is a family history, best to stay away.

    Testing safety of Ribose might not have lasted long enough for AGEs to be detected, or even associated. Yes, most references used animal studies and more research in humans is vitally needed. Benefits have to be balanced against risks, and using age as a factor for how long it takes AGEs to form and Ribose to influence health. Or at what amount Ribose would impact AGEs formation compared to overall sugar amounts in diet. Short term use may be more appropriate. Here is the research for the DO NOT USE recommendation for RIBOSE. ref ref ref

    One nutrient of value to help slow down or prevent AGEs formation, Carnosine. ref

    Here is a study looking at the amount of AGEs already formed in different foods, often influenced by cooking methods and temperatures, and their effects on inflammatory markers after consumption by diabetics. ref Look at the changes on some of these inflammation markers. This is a very revealing important small study on the impact of diet and cooking methods on health. Foods with high AGEs already formed, increase the amount of AGEs the body produces.

    Ribose and Cancer

    It is of interest to note that ribose can play a positive role with potassium in cancer cells. At just the right concentration, ribose may carry potassium into cancer cells which slows the division rate of these cells. D-ribose also participates in Krebs pathway to supply energy to healthy cells, but cancer cells must hinder this uptake by healthy cells and take more for themselves. More to discover here.

    Source: D-Ribose - Supplements of Merit - Vitaminworkshop.com


    So D-Ribose is something one should be cautious about. I wonder what Ray Peat's comment on potassium ascorbate and D-Ribose would be.
     
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    I am all about pulling calcium and sodium out of a cell and activating P53...and getting potassium and magnesium back in...maybe just use the potassium ascorbate and not the ribose...
     
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    D-Ribose seems to be able to pass the lactic acid blockade. Vitamin C also apparently, and MSM, but I'm unsure what Ray Peat's opinion is on these substances, and what the general safety is of these in cancer treatment, although as you can read in the opening post, that potassium ascorbate (form of vitamin C) is studied in the treatment of cancer with alot of promise. And also Ribose is examined by the same researchers.

    Source on ribose, vitamin C and MSM and the lactic acid cycle:

    Death to Cancer: Cancer and Lactic Acid Cycle

    This source is however not a trustworthy source when it comes to health advice for cancer or health advice in general, as it advices fish oil/omega 3 fatty acids which are carcinogenic, so do not use this source for any advice! This source also has nothing to do with the Pantellini Foundation.

    another source which speaks of lactic acid and ribose's possibility to pass it:

    What to do today

    This source also has nothing to do with the Pantellini Foundation and therefore should be viewed cautiously.

    It is related to the treatment of cancer with hydrazine sulfate which stops the lactic acid cycle:

    Hydrazine Sulfate works on stopping the cycle just mentioned. Hydrazine Sulphate, or more commonly Hydrazine Sulfate, interrupts the ability of the liver to convert lactic acid from tumors into glucose thereby helping to starve the tumors and inhibit their ability to metastasize.

    Also interesting source: The Truth About Hydrazine Sulfate - Dr. Gold Speaks

    @burtlancast seems to be a proponent of Hydrazine Sulfate. Hydrazine Sulfate appears to be dangerous though as it is a MAO inhibitor and can cause deadly effects when combined with tyramine containing food or certain medications.
     
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    On Potassium ascorbate with D-Ribose, taken from the Pantellini Foundation website:

    POTASSIUM WITH RIBOSE


    Potassium ascorbate with ribose is a salt derived from vitamin C that is completely non-toxic and free from side effects. The compound can be extemporaneously (i.e. without preparation) obtained by dissolving ascorbic acid (150 mg), potassium bicarbonate (300 mg, of which 117 mg potassium) and ribose (3 mg) in water. It has a pH level that tends to neutralize in less than a minute. The components have to be dissolved in 20 cc water (about two fingers high) without using a metallic spoon (because of the potential risk of oxidation of the ascorbic acid).

    Oxidative processes linked to the presence of free radicals are involved in the impetus and development of cancer. Free radicals (substances with a high chemical reactivity) are the main reason for the mechanism of oxidative stress. Living organisms tend to maintain a constant level of the concentration of these oxidizing agents to ensure normal biological processes.

    Based on the studies of dr. Pantellini, we are convinced that oxidative stress damages cell membrane structures, in particular the sodium/potassium ATP-ase (also known as the Na/K pump). This causes (an initially mild) depolarization and an increasingly greater alteration of the active transport mechanism of these two electrolytes. that have very different but fundamental functions in the cellular organization; potassium is the main regulator of intracellular metabolic processes through reversible salification of amino groups and imino of enzymes and proteins in a slightly acid environment; the other, sodium, is the main regulator of the alkaline reserve of the organism at extracellular level, with reversible salification of carboxylic groups of enzymes and proteins in a more or less basic environment.
    In this way we obtain an increasingly bigger modification of the acid-based environment and redox-reactions between cytoplasmic molecules.

    We are convinced that this fact constitutes the activating mechanism (trigger) for mutation into a cancerogene cell. In fact, research relating to the sarcoma (malignant tumor) of Rous that was already published in the 30′s (Moraveck e Kishi) proved that the neoplastic cell is lacking potassium and is rich of sodium, with an increasingly greater imbalance along with the development of cell degeneration.

    This seems to be the common denominator in all neoplastic diseases and is also verifiable through a careful evaluation of the 4 hematic electrolytes (sodium, calcium, potassium, magnesium).

    The described mechanism turns out to be very dangerous for the cell when:


    • it activates a rapid transfer of calcium from intracellular deposits (mitochondria), that could be responsible for mitogenic activation (i.e. cell duplication);


    • it allows a considerable transport of glucose in the cytoplasm (together with sodium, SGLUT symport), with a speed that increases along with the increasingly greater alteration of the sodium/potassium pump (which is the only active control element on the two electrolytes).


    These processes lead to a modification in cell respiration, with a decrease of oxiditative phosphorylation and a substantial increase of glycolysis. The production of lactic acids, formed by pyruvate reduction, is also increased. Furthermore this pyruvate reduction prevents the start of the S-phase of the mitosis and its steady decrease in the cytoplasm (for the conversion into lactic acid) takes this block on mitosis away, pushing the cell towards uncontrolled proliferation.

    So we have a modification of the intracellular pH that tends to become lightly alkaline, and a modification of the cellular respiration with a significant alteration of the Krebs cycle.

    These facts together tend to result in an alteration in form and action of proteins and cytoplasmic enzymes, leading to a polymerization of RNA and a transfer of incorrect information between the ‘periphery’ and the ‘operative center’ (DNA). This leads to the mutation of the nuclear DNA and carcinogenesis.

    In conclusion, the following hypothesis on which we are working now is that degeneration does not arise from a direct damage in the nuclear DNA, but from a problem in the cytoplasm, which means the damage would occur at the peripherical level (cell membrane). This would actually mean that operation of DNA can be strongly influenced by various components of the same cellular environment as well as by cell-to-cell signals.

    From experience and data of Dr. Pantellini first and those of the Foundation now it seems that potassium ascorbate with ribose interferes with this process in a major way; it protects the cell against oxidative stress and inhibits the uncontrolled proliferation mechanism.

    The compound’s action is connected to the characteristics of potassium as ‘guiding’ cation and metabolic regulator at intracellular level and to the transporting (‘carrier’) action of vitamin C, which in this specific case performs a similar function to that of the sodium/potassium pump as a consequence of its heterocyclic structure.

    The release of potassium inside a cancerous cell can provoke a corresponding runoff of sodium (hence glucose) in the intracellular environment. In this way we can obtain:


    • a new modification of the local, intracellular pH


    • a rapid decrease of nutritional reserves, reducing glycolysis and re-establishing the potential block on mitosis. Thus, it seems possible to inhibit the uncontrolled proliferation process.


    Ribose plays a very important role in cell metabolism. It is a sugar that is directly involved in the synthesis of nucleotides. It is a fundamental forerunner in the biosynthesis of RNA and adenosine, which is an essential component in the ATP and ATP-ase sodium-potassium production (the so-called Na/K pump) and in its deoxyribose form in the synthesis of DNA.

    Our body is able to produce ribose. In certain conditions, however, this process of synthesis can be limited, or worse, damaged. This fact has already been pointed out in scientific research published in the United States in the ’50s.

    When taken orally, ribose is metabolized and does not interfere (at least when taking the by the Pantellini Foundation recommended doses) with glycolysis.

    Using a low concentration of ribose in respect to the quantity of ascorbid acid results in its potential catalytic activity; it accelerates the process of potassium absorption in the cytoplasmic cell, also because it does not follow the vitamin C process, which is transformed into oxalic acid and will leave the body via the kidneys just a few hours after intake, and it is ‘consumed’ in a different way.

    Furthermore, potassium ascorbate can effectively serve at the level of prevention, maintaining constant intracellular potassium levels.
    Preventive intake of potassium ascorbate therefore has the objective to ‘protect’ the cell from the risk of degeneration.

    Preventive ingestion of the compound by adults generally consists of taking one dose per day, preferably in the morning on empty stomach 15 minutes before breakfast (unless otherwise indicated based on the evaluation of blood test/parameters).

    In the presence of an oncologic disease it is generally recommended to take 3 daily doses (the morning on empty stomach, 15 minutes before breakfast; and 45 minutes before lunch and dinner).
    It is always advisable to have an assessment made by a competent person in order to be able to suggest the most appropriate dose for each situation.


    Dr. Guido Paoli
    Scientific director
    (responsible for scientific research at the Pantellini Foundation)



    Source: Potassium with ribose || Information - Fondazione Valsè Pantellini
     
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    Read the article. He recommends fish oil as an anti-inflammatory. PUFA creates inflammation. No way. I will stay with Vit E. and aspirin. Interesting he mentioned pickle juice to get past Lactate (would like to know more about this). Hydrazine Sulfate looks like scary stuff IMO.

    Why do we want to make cancer cells alkaline? Per Ray they are already alkaline due to calcium and bulk water intracellular. Extracellular they are acidic due to lactic acid build up. Carbon dioxide reduces lactic acid build up...Pyruvate creates lactic acid...NAD H not converting back to NAD + creates Pyruvate, Methylene Blue should stop this...
     
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    Yeah this source has nothing to do with the Pantellini Foundation, it just popped up on a quick Google search, and I added it as part of my post for convenience to underline that ribose can bypass the lactic acid blockade. Fish oil is poison and something everyone should avoid! The same goes for omega 3 fatty acids and all other PUFA.

    These pages are definitely worth a read:
    How to use || - Fondazione Valsè Pantellini
    Prevention || - Fondazione Valsè Pantellini
    FAQ || - Fondazione Valsè Pantellini
     
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    From the FAQ:

    2) Why is potassium ascorbate not officially recognized (yet)?


    Experts in the medical-scientific field often do not know the grounds and foundations of the Pantellini method. Some publications date back more than 40 years and only a few recent publications have been made, almost all exclusively by the Pantellini Foundation, as much as to this point where people often tend to confuse potassium ascorbate, with or without ribose, with ‘simple’ vitamin C. It is even often said that taking an orange juice or a banana will do! In reality, as we have already repeated multiple times on this site, potassium ascorbate is a salt derived from vitamin C and works completely differently.

    Moreover, speaking of ‘simple’ vitamin C brings to mind Pauling, Cameron and Wilson’s work in the 60s-70s, who obtained apparently contradictory results using very high doses (a couple dozens of grams) of ascorbic acid distributed intravenously. In this case, it has to be noted however that in reality this procedure leads to a formation of a derivative salt known as sodium ascorbate, and not to potassium ascorbate!
    Unfortunately there is an observed tendency to place the method based on potassium ascorbate (with or without ribose) in the field of the so-called ‘alternative therapies’ (see previous question), which basically induces a defensive attitude and a pronounced exclusion (ostracism) from the part of health care facilities.

    On the other hand, many doctors and researchers, not only in Italy but also from other parts of Europe and the world, are aware of the studies of Dr. Pantellini and have been able to experience the potential beneficial effects directly on their own patients. Unfortunately, due to the current prevailing professional ostracizable atmosphere and bureaucratic difficulties, the argument often (but fortunately not always!) gets put down. In the best case, it is conveyed through direct informal contact between people based on the word of mouth.

    There is also the widespread, but in our view decisively unscientific belief that such a complex problem like cell degeneration requires a similar complex and thus costly solution. The research on particular controlling enzymes for example, or the activation and deactivation of appropriate genes, or the formation of new, highly selected medication, are methodologies that require enormous expenditure and highly specialized laboratories.
    Since all over the world unimaginable amounts of money (tens of millions of euros!) are being invested in trying to find solutions that are still, unfortunately, far from being found, people consequently tend to exclude that with potassium bicarbonate and a bit of lemon juice significant benefits and results can be obtained.

    Moreover, excessive specialization and concentrating too much on particular questions and issues can lead to losing sight of the ‘general vision’ of a problem. It is like looking at a forest from too close and thus only seeing the bark of a single tree. This could limit our capacity to identify other paths to follow.

    Another aspect that cannot be neglected is that the potassium ascorbate method (with or without ribose) has extremely limited costs compared to any other drug or medication in use and it almost seems that it might therefore not be interesting enough from the pharmaceutical point of view.

    http://www.pantellini.org/en/ascorbate/faq
     
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    Definitely need a @Travis point of view on potassium ascorbate...
     
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    Peat mentioned PUFAs cause AGE formation, not sugar
     
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    I would imagine that most vitamin C in fruit would be found dissociated in solution, but dried fruit could very well have ascorbates associated with minerals. Assuming equal chemical affinities for ascorbate, the potassium ascorbate should outnumber the sodium ascorbate 8∶1 based on mineral prevalence alone. Since most Americans have a habit for consuming NaCl—and thus presumably have an elevated Na⁺∶K⁺ ratio—anything having sodium's counterion, potassium, would tend towards equilibrium.
     
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    How about being able to pull calcium/sodium out of a cancer cell?
     
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    A study (Hindawi Oxidative Medicine and Cellular Longevity Volume 2017, Article ID 4256519, 12 pages https://doi.org/10.1155/2017/4256519 2017) showing photos of control compared to PAR (potassium ascorbate and ribose group) in melanoma showing remarkable differences

    https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/698e/9a49fa79e7b4502e6b65ce10fb66b70d8f25.pdf

    Excerpt from the study:

    Concerning ascorbic acid (AA), since the ‘70s, there has been a controversy on its use against cancer. Cameron and Pauling showed that high doses of intravenously injected vitamin C increased 20-fold the average time of survival in advanced cancer patients [28, 29], but this study was denied by other researchers who obtained negative results [30, 31]. This dispute has lasted until recently, when Pauling’s hypothesis was confirmed by a study published in 2015 by Yun et al., who demonstrated that vitamin C (sodium ascorbate) selectively kills KRAS and BRAF mutant colorectal cancer cells [32]. The hypothesized mechanism of action is based on the fact that AA, at concentrations higher than 1 mM, can cause a build-up of hydrogen peroxide (H2O2), which is preferentially toxic toward tumor cells [33]. However, PAR might have more potent and different effects than those elicited by AA, due to the presence of two other components, potassium and ribose, the synergic action of which allows the correction of the hypokalemic condition found in cancer cells [20]. Consistently with the synergic action of individual components, our results revealed that PAR started to be cytotoxic even at the dose of 100 μM in melanoma cells and the cytotoxic response was dose-dependent (100 μM–2 mM). Cell proliferation is not the only altered aspect in cancer. The gap junction proteins, connexins, are important regulators of intercellular communication and cell growth, and mutations or loss of function of gap junctions have been found in a few diseases, including cancer.

    Dysregulation of connexin channels has been described to either enhance or suppress tumorigenesis and metastasis. For example, in melanoma, like in other cancers, gap junctions and connexins, specifically Connexin 43, are upregulated in invasive lesions and in cells that disseminate to the lymph nodes [34]. By contrast, a more recent study showed that the increased expression of Connexin 43 in melanoma suppresses cell proliferation and anchorage-independent growth and also reduces the size of melanoma when grown in an ex vivo system [35]. Therefore, the role of connexins in cancer and cancer cell dissemination is highly controversial and apparently difficult to be reconciled. Nevertheless, the bulk of the literature reports a reduced gap junctional communication in many tumor types, as a result of either downregulated expression of connexins or their inability to form functional junctions. In a recent study, Tittarelli et al. reported that Connexin 43 downregulation induced an increased proliferation in four melanoma cell lines, while its overexpression reduced melanoma cell growth in vivo [36]. According to these results, the increase in Connexin 43 expression that we found after PAR treatment in the 2D model was associated to a significant inhibition of cell proliferation and viability.

    Such a growth inhibition by PAR was confirmed in the 3D model, where the twodimensional size and volume of spheroids decreased. In addition, the increase in functional gap junctions by 500 μM PAR, that we observed in the 3D structures by using the florescent dye lucifer yellow, was confirmed by the SEM analysis, showing that cells of treated spheroids appeared to be suffering and with abnormal intercellular contacts. In a clinical perspective, this result suggests that the PARinduced increase in tumor compactness could potentially impair the metastatic potential and facilitate cancer mass removal by surgery. We have shown that 2 mM PAR prevented the assembly of the 3D structures; leading to a significant percentage of dead cells in the 2D model, supporting the efficacy of this drug against melanoma cells. This result is extremely important, considering that normal cells are insensitive to 20 mM ascorbate [26]. Taken together, our results show the efficacy of PAR treatments against melanoma cells, according to data from literature where this adjuvant therapy has shown to exhibit beneficial effects in vivo, on precarcinogenic conditions, and in vitro, on tumor cell types different from melanoma cells. The view that PAR could be used as adjuvant compound (alternative to interferon-α) in melanoma therapy is also supported by the fact that it is a nontoxic compound, is easy to administer, has no short-term side effects, and is not expensive.

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    Here is the documentation of Dr. Pantellini's work and experiences by himself during his days in 1946 when he first started researching cancer and from there on concerning his cancer research with his own commentary and scientific reporting:

    https://www.curezone.org/upload/PDF/studies_ascorbate.pdf

    Excerpt:

    Subject to the same condition of the previous experiments I started a new experiment by administering Potassium ascorbate to various cancer patients: each patient was given a dose of 0.90 gr. in two 0.45 gr. dose twice a day, 45 minutes before the main meals. In about 20 days a more or less marked improvement was reported for the first time in almost each pateint. The improvement was characterized by: recovery of strenght and appetite, reduction of pains, increased body weight, normalization of the blood formula. Some patients improved to the point of resuming their normal activities. This improvement lasted a few years for some patients, for others just a few months, then the disease resumed its evolution till the end. This is concisely what was observed both by myself and the doctors assisting me in the course of the experiments. I haven’t prepared any statistic. I can only say that one thing has been definitely ascertained,, i.e. the administration of potassium ascorbate does improve the general condition of a cancer patient.


    POTASSIUM ASCORBATE; SUPPOSED TRIGGERING PROCESS

    According to a huge bibliography on the matter, K+ Cation is always located inside the cell wall of tissuses and erythrocytes in the form of Potassium protein and hemoglobin. On the contrary NA+ Cation is prevailing in the pericellular fluid and in the serum. Said Cations are physically and chemically similar as they belong to the same group of alkalines, and they appear to be in a mutual equilibruim inside our body thanks to the buffer process. It still remains unknown why K+ Cation is contained inside cell walls (separation interface) and NA+ Cation is outside the walls, while HCO3 3 Ll-,PO - ecc. Run freely both ways without any difficulty. This process is governed by catalysis activity of Carboanydrase. To explain the physical and chemical condition of said cations it would not be sufficient to appeal to the phenomena of osmotic pressure, or of PH, or H pressure (rH), or electrostatic equilibrium, or cell wall potentials. I do believe this phenomenon may be rightly defined only from a chemical point of view, that is to say that thanks to its chemical affinity Potassium does salify hydrogen atoms present in the amino acid groups inside the cells and the erythrocytes; the same cannot be said of Sodium as it has less chemical affinity for said hydrogenated groups, therefore it is shut out. It is thus established that, due to chemical affinity, Sodium truly regulates, both in serum and in pericellular fluids, the alkali reserve whereas Potassium, due to its affinity with the hydrogen groups of amino acids present inside the cell walls, does regulate actively the phenomena of oxide-reducing interchanges of the same, maintaining at a constant level the proteic level needed for an orderly structuring of the complex cell framework. Furthemore, it is actively involved in the oxidation phenomena of the same. The following schematic diagram allows a clear exact look of the this phenomenon.


    THE PYRROLIC RING AND ITS IMPORTANCE IN THE LIVING MATTER STRUCTURE: ANALOGIES WITH FURANOSIC AND THIOPHENIC RINGS

    The importance of the Pyrrolic ring and its relationship with many fundamental products of the animal and vegetable life is unquestionable. Both the blood hemoglobin and the plant chlorofyll contain pyrrolic rings in their molecule; furthermore many fundamental amino acids are to be considered pyrrole derivatives. It is to be noted that the black pigaments of animals, i.e. skin, hair, moles or bith-marks, ect are in close relationship with pyrrole black spots, which allows the assumption that said pigaments are oxidized compounds and polycondensed compounds having a pyrrolic structure.

    A similiar reaction occurs inside the cell during the cellular self-analysis. In lieu of DK hemoglobinate the formation of K proteinate takes place. Pyrrole, thiophene and furan are similar and isologous among themselves and therefore in the formation of their compounds they follow the rule of analogies (Angeli). It is therefore reasonable to assume that during the biological process of protein derivatives from such compounds there may occur chemical and a physiological relationship and that under some particular condition a pyrrolic group may be replaced by a similar thiophenic or furanoid group.

    Both potassium hemoglobinate and potassium proteinate, contain structures which can be salified with KNCO3. Now it happens that potassium ascorbate contains in its molecule a furanosic group which by analogy may replace one of the pyrrolic groups of potassium proteinate and hemoglobinate. These groups appear to have been definitely inactivated at the beginning of cancer growth. It is very likely that the starting point of a neoplasia is the peptide molecule containing pyrrolic groups at the RNA level. My assumption is that the opening of the pyrrolic molecule (Ciamician effect) may- in particular physiologic condition - give rise to a triggering of RNA polymerization, this being the beginning of the phase of a neoplasia.

    In the tissuses will then appear polymerized monomers which physical tension forces are established (Van der Waals forces). These forces are quite different from the common electrostatic forces. Hence it is of no use to interefere with the growth of neoplasia through chemical substances or drugs capable of generating forces of electrochemical nature, as they will never be able to counter efficaciously the physical forces established among the various polymers of the neoplasia.

    CONCLUSION

    In view of the above it is my opinion that:
    1.-The specific action of potassium ascorbate is due to said cation salified at the ascorbic acid furanosic ring. This group may well be replaced by a analogy of the pyrrolic group believed to be inactivated restoring the structuring phenomena of cellular auto-synthesis to the required physiological normality.
    2.-The invariable polymerization energy which is present in the neoplastic phase is interrupted by introducing into the cell the a group formed by potassium ascorbate, thus reestablishing the equilibrium amongst the intermolecular forces of the peptide groups which are present inside the cell membrane.


    About the doctor:

    Dr. Gianfranco Valse Pantellini is a graduate in Pure Chemistry (organic and inorganic) at the University of Florence, Italy. He worked with Prof. Giocondo Protti at the Ancona Tumor Centre since 1946, where he carried out enzymatic research work on leavens and on the dissolving action of the same against tumor cells. He attended several congresses on cancer among which Florence, Cremona, Baden-Baden, New York, ect with lectures on is own research work. He is a disciple of the atomistic scientific thought from Ettore Maiorana and Saent Gyoagyi. He maintains scholarly contacts with various research centres in line with the research of Linus, Pauling, Kemeberg, Marks Lapis, Zsende and Kervan. He is a member of an international cancer research group applying non-conventional research methods. He has been made a member of the New York Academy of Science and the the International Society of Cyrosurgery.

    In 1997 he was awarded honorary membership of the Moscow Academy of Science for his contributions in treating Chernobly children with thyroid cancer.

    Since his death in 1999 a group of medical doctors founded a International Foundation in Florence, Italy. Currently research programs are being done at the University of Pisa and Bolinia with the Italian Goverment Council for Research (C.N.R)




    Excerpt from an online book I just came across, sadly it is an example view which cannot be fully viewed. The book is called Cancer treatment - Curing the Incurable Without Surgery, Chemotherapy, or Radiation in the tradition of Dr. med. dent Weston Price, Dr. med. Max Gerson and Dr. med. Nicholas Gonzalez by author Dr. William Donald Kelley, and was published in 2017:




    Link to the page of the book: Cancer treatment - Curing the Incurable Without Surgery, Chemotherapy, or Radiation in the tradition of Dr. med. dent Weston Price, Dr. med. Max Gerson and Dr. med. Nicholas Gonzalez

    The author appears to have written multiple books on alternative cancer treatment throughout the last century until now, and is a known name in the alternative cancer treatment world, who developed his own cancer therapy:

    https://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&tbo=p&tbm=bks&q=inauthor:"William+Donald+Kelley"
    Kelley Metabolic Treatment For Cancer - Cancer Tutor
    William Donald Kelley - Wikipedia (which speaks very negatively of him and stating that cancer patients on his therapy died quicker and with more agony)

    Dr. William Donald Kelley, author of the book, sadly passed away in 2005.
     
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    Coincidentally I read a few of those and consume potassium ascorbate daily. From pure C + KHCO3 (bottomless).

    Not for cancer but because it doesn't wreck the taste of water unlike sodium.

    Ribose is useful if pentose phosphate pathway is compromised, in theory. The question around oral ribose is whether most of it is degraded in the gut or whether it actually makes it into the blood in high quantity. If it makes it into the blood it's several times more AGE-forming than fructose, and not shunted to liver, so in theory much worse. Of course they all assume it gets into the blood. It's been advocated in super high doses for ME/CFS (15g/day) by a Dr. Teitelbaum.
     
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    I don't want to deflect from your question and this topic but have you ever researched the Beljanski supplements?

    Here is an example of one, being sold as ''Rovol V" and is shown in studies to selectively kill cancer cells. It is one of a couple of supplements developed by Dr. Beljanski that kill cancer, according to research. @burtlancast seems to be a proponent of them:
    Rauwolfia Vomitoria | The Beljanski Foundation

    And more specifically for prostate cancer, see this:

    Prostate Cancer | The Beljanski approach | Integrative medicine

    And also you should research the works of Dr. Naessens and his 714X, also something @burtlancast has mentioned before. See:
    Gaston Naessens' 714X / 714-X Cancer Treatment
    714X | Cerbe Distribution Inc
    The SOMATID - a Pleomorphic, Ultra-microsopic Subcellular Living and Reproducing Entity

    Actually now that I've come to read it, it is so interesting, I will open a separate topic for each.

    Here are the 2 seperate topics I've made for them with information and for discussing them:
    The Beljanski Approach, Dr. Beljanski And His Supplements As A Cancer Treatment (with Studies)
    The Somatid, Gaston Naessens, 714X Cancer Treatment
     
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    I would just like to note that, from the literature:


    "Subject to the same condition of the previous experiments I started a new experiment by administering Potassium ascorbate to various cancer patients: each patient was given a dose of 0.90 gr. in two 0.45 gr. dose twice a day, 45 minutes before the main meals. In about 20 days a more or less marked improvement was reported for the first time in almost each pateint. The improvement was characterized by: recovery of strenght and appetite, reduction of pains, increased body weight, normalization of the blood formula. Some patients improved to the point of resuming their normal activities. This improvement lasted a few years for some patients, for others just a few months, then the disease resumed its evolution till the end. This is concisely what was observed both by myself and the doctors assisting me in the course of the experiments. I haven’t prepared any statistic. I can only say that one thing has been definitely ascertained,, i.e. the administration of potassium ascorbate does improve the general condition of a cancer patient."




    Said patients that he treated in this experiment were classified by Dr. Pantellini in his work as:


    "With the help of a few medical doctors I grouped four cancer patients which were almost doomed to die."




    I don't want to discourage the use of it per se, I just would like to point to the importance of nuance, in other words, know what we're doing. It is said in studies that ascorbic acid is oxidative, but in cancer treatment, by Dr. Pauling this oxidative effect was seen as positive, as it would damage or kill the cancer cell, while (almost) not harming any normal cells, according to Dr. Pauling and his associates. Maybe some of the forum members here can chime in for your specific case, @haidut @Travis @burtlancast @Amazoniac



    The 2017 melanoma study of potassium ascorbate + ribose mentioned the following about Linus Pauling's Ascorbic Acid (AA) therapy:


    "The hypothesized mechanism of action is based on the fact that AA, at concentrations higher than 1 mM, can cause a build-up of hydrogen peroxide (H2O2), which is preferentially toxic toward tumor cells [33]."



    Perhaps it wouldn't hurt to send an inquiring e-mail to the Pantellini Foundation, which contact information and e-mail address can be found here: Contact us || - Fondazione Valsè Pantellini
    They do take requests and questions about the Pantellini method, and even offer medical therapy/consult through their doctor too.

    Even contacting Dr. Peat about it wouldn't be a bad idea either. If you would like to contact him, you can send me a PM so I can provide you with his contact information.

    Dosage, how many times a day to take, how much time spaced in between dosages, is it best taken on an empty stomach, saturation of the blood/body, are things that come to my mind. Also, aggravation of the cancer, "making things worse in the long run" is something I would definitely ponder on as inquiring minds, namely that you want to avoid this, and be aware of the possibility of it, and try to imagine its possible existence and then if one comes to that conclusion, think of how to avoid it.

    I recall reading on the vitamin C foundation forum, that ascorbic acid is best taken on an empty stomach.

    Also, Linus Pauling his ascorbic acid cancer therapy was done using IVs on the patients. This was because the oxidative effect couldn't be achieved with lower doses, according to Dr. Pauling.

    IV potassium chloride is known to be deadly.

    Dr. Pantellini's friend who suffered from stomach cancer and was miraculously cured, drank lemon juice with potassium bicarbonate mixed in it, orally.

    The experiment Dr. Pantellini did on the cancer patients, also used oral dosages only, dissolved in water, and he noted that the medical drugs the patients were receiving for their condition were continued as well during the experiment.

    Dr. Pantellini wrote down the following about potassium ascorbate:


    "Potassium ascorbate is a microcrystalline, water-soluble, white salt which is rather unstable due to its easy oxidizability. In solution, if closed in glass vials and submitted to pasteurization or sterilization it slowly becomes first yellow, then brownish. The presence of higly reducing sugar does extends its stability in solution. Potassium ascorbate is obtained through salification of ascorbic acid in cold water solution. It may be obtained in a very pure condition through high vacuum evaporization. When in solution it has a ferrous metallic savour like blood; it has no toxicity at all and may be used for a long time. From a biological point of view it follows the destiny of Ascorbic acid. As an ascorbic acid derivative it may assume two different structural formulas: the enolic and furanoid forms, the latter becoming such when said salt is in solution."




    The 2017 melanoma study was done in vitro only.

    It also mentions the following:


    "PAR has also given encouraging results when used in neoplastic patients undergoing radio- and chemotherapy, increasing survival from five to ten years [12, 16], and in patients with mesothelioma and prostate cancer [17–19]."


    While the referenced 3 studies only used ascorbic acid and not potassium ascorbate, one of the three studies is behind a paywall so I can't view all the details of it, but its abstract only mentions ascorbic acid.


    Also an important note, the Pantellini Foundation stresses multiple times to get medical consult first when opting for potassium ascorbate, preferably with them, for the appropriate protocol in the treatment of a specific patient with specific cancer, presumably to avoid complications too.


    Linus Pauling May Have Been Vindicated - Vitamin C May Treat Cancer Here is a topic on it with some information.





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    What follows is information that I found on the internet about potassium ascorbate:


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    Study with mice, using high doses of ascorbic acid, showing release of serotonin:


    Preliminary Evidence That High-Dose Vitamin C has a Vascular Disrupting Action in Mice

    Abstract
    High intravenous doses of vitamin C (ascorbic acid) have been reported to benefit cancer patients, but the data are controversial and there is incomplete knowledge of what physiological mechanisms might be involved in any response. Vitamin C is taken up efficiently by cells expressing SVCT2 transporters and since vascular endothelial cells express SVCT2, we explored the hypothesis that administration of high-dose vitamin C (up to 5 g/kg) to mice might affect vascular endothelial function. A single administration of vitamin C to mice induced time- and dose-dependent increases in plasma concentrations of the serotonin metabolite 5-hydroxyindole acetic acid (5-HIAA), a marker for vascular disrupting effects. Responses were comparable to those for the tumor vascular disrupting agents, vadimezan and fosbretabulin. High-dose vitamin C administration decreased tumor serotonin concentrations, consistent with the release of serotonin from platelets and its metabolism to 5-HIAA. High-dose vitamin C also significantly increased the degree of hemorrhagic necrosis in tumors removed after 24 h, and significantly decreased tumor volume after 2 days. However, the effect on tumor growth was temporary. The results support the concept that vitamin C at high dose increases endothelial permeability, allowing platelets to escape and release serotonin. Plasma 5-HIAA concentrations could provide a pharmacodynamic biomarker for vitamin C effects in clinical studies.

    Source: Preliminary Evidence That High-Dose Vitamin C has a Vascular Disrupting Action in Mice







    This protocol will modify the Pauling/Cameron protocol four different ways:
    1) It will include DMSO in the evening dose to help Vitamin C target cancer cells and get inside of cancer cells,
    2) It includes a very, very low glucose diet so that the cancer cells will feast on Vitamin C instead of glucose,
    3) It includes 15% or less potassium ascorbate, which has a special affinity for cancer cells,
    4) It will include as little sodium ascorbate (or other sodium forms of Vitamin C) as possible because these types of Vitamin C do not get inside of cancer cells very well.

    Regarding the use of potassium ascorbate, a foundation in Italy has proven that potassium ascorbate can be used to cure cancer (WARNING:no more than 15% of the Vitmain C you take should be a potassium version!!). See:Pantellini Foundation (Italy)

    WARNING: DoNOTuse potassium ascorbate or any other form of potassium as your primary source of Vitamin C!!! If you use potassium ascorbate work with the vendor of this product to insure you are taking safe doses relative to non-potassium forms of Vitamin C!!! If your vendor does not make a recommendation, then use 15% as the maximum portion of Vitamin C that is a potassium form!!


    Source: DMSO and Vitamin C – The Magic Duo for Cancer Treatment That Frightens The FDA






    A random sceptic's opinion on Pantellini I came across, who seems to be in favor of high dose IV vitamin C therapy for cancer:

    I don't know much about Pantelli, but I do know after going through his website that he pretty much sounds like the rest of the allopathic community - bad-mouthing anything related to Pauling, while insisting that potasium ascorbate somehow stands out separate from the rest of the ascorbate salts as having an "entirely different" pharmacokinetics. For one, the website blatantly lies that IV NaAsc treatments are at best dubious and contradictory (Mark Levine just completed an NIH funded study in 2009 and aonther in 2010 showing just the opposite) and that "recent scientific literature indicates the possibility that the intake of ascorbic acid at high doses (more than 10 grams per day and for long periods of time) could pose risks to health" - which is just pure lies. No study have EVER come close to proving that ... C is water soluble and I've consumed as much as 60g/day which only had the side effect of mitigating my cold within 24 hours. At best 1/million who try megascorbates might, worst case, hasten kidney failure which already has to be in the late stages of failure anyway (C is proven to improve kidney health).

    So, seeing that they lied about that, and are so quick to call all other ascorbates quakery, when in fact recent NIH-funded studies of that last 10 years suggest quite the opposite ... I don't believe a word of pantellini advocates. Until they can be more honest about ascorbates in general I can only assume they're as charlatan as any money-grubbing pharmaceutical drug company.

    That said, I do think at a minimum potasium ascorbates hold tremendous potential due merely to the fact that you can consume it in liquid form without the bad taste that the other ascrobate salts have. I for one, use it as the base of my home-made tooth powder, which combined with casein powder (and a bit of mint leaf powder) I believe to be far superior to anything else out there - search for "the invisible toothbrush" to see why.


    Source: Ascorbate of Potassium against Cancer






    The wonders of potassium
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    Potassium is an ion regulator, accomplice in many physiological situations of ';agency. In particular, the potassium ascorbate is a salt that is obtained from the potassium in solution of ascorbic acid. Since time is occurring on tumor cell lines and healthy effectiveness of potassium ascorbate with ribose in oncological diseases. The potassium ascorbate arises from studies and research biochemist Florentine Ganfranco Valsè Pantellini member of the Academy of Sciences of New York who in 1974 informed the scientific community experiences and theories he elaborated that oxidative stress is responsible for the damage to structures of the cell membrane and causes a depolarization and a greater alteration of the active transport mechanism 2 of electrolytes that have very different functions but fundamental economy Cell; potassium acts as the main regulator of intracellular metabolic processes, while sodium regulates the body's alkaline reserve extracellularly. Pantellini used potassium ascorbate in cancer patients reporting benefits both in terms of quality of life both of slowing of tumor process. Even today, the most likely hypothesis of the mechanism of action of potassium ascorbate is the similarity between the molecular ascorbate, the olms born potassium and potassium emoglobinato: these molecules bind the potassium cation and push it inside the cell, where they exert their biochemical activity; this similarity molecular would explain the rapid entry of potassium into the cell even in the form of potassium ascorbate.

    From the nutritional point of view it is essential to remember that cancer cells use an enormous amount of glucose for their metabolism in the presence of oxygen available. This made highlights how the cancer cells have a fermentative metabolism unlike healthy cells whose metabolism is type redox. So for those who are facing a problem of oncology is necessary to reduce the sources of refined sugar especially (confectionery, sweeteners and whatnot). E 'at this point that it is necessary to emphasize the importance of potassium for the regulation of metabolism and for the correct genetic stability.

    The regular intake of potassium ascorbate is suggested as a preventive measure since there is no risk of overdose of potassium because remember Linus Pauling pointed to 18 g per day dosage of potassium which can cause hyperkalemia.

    Source: The potassium wonders -,it; Dr. Katie Alessia Guarato





    Potassium ascorbate is the potassium salt of ascorbic acid, which is a form of vitamin C. The commercial preparation of potassium ascorbate is accomplished through chemical means. Ascorbic acid and potassium bicarbonate are refined to a purity of at least 97 percent.

    Because cancer cells consume 15 times more glucose than normal cells, under the right conditions, cancer cells should consume 15 times more vitamin C than a normal cell. While normal cells benefit from vitamin C, the microbes inside of the cancer cells may be killed by vitamin C.

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    Potassium ascorbate is related to the studies and research of the Florentine biochemist Dr. Gianfrancesco Valsè Pantellini and its ‘story’ starts in 1948 when a goldsmith and friend of Dr. Pantellini, affected with inoperable stomach cancer, experiences unexpectedly and absolutely extraordinary results after taking lemon juice in which he accidentally dissolved potassium bicarbonate instead of sodium bicarbonate. Pantellini studied and analyzed this subject for about twenty years, leading to two specific publications in 1970 and 1974 in the Journal of Medical Pathology.

    Do not use potassium ascorbate or any other form of potassium as your primary source of Vitamin C!!! If you use potassium ascorbate work with the vendor of this product to insure you are taking safe doses relative to non-potassium forms of Vitamin C.

    Source: http://www.cancersymptoms.eu/cancer...ulfur-potassium-ascorbate-vitamin-c-protocol/





    Ted's Remedies
    Ted (Bangkok, Thailand) on 12/08/2010 384 posts

    Dear Deirdre:

    I have been keeping quiet for the last few weeks from earthclinic because of a super busy things from both serious health of my clients, domestic things that you just have to do, and intensive research. Which will answer a lot of things why somethings causes cancer and the very thing that causes cancer can actually cause cancer to go into remission. Something as innocuous as a vitamin C can actually have both properties, depending on the circumstances. This should resolve a lot of paradoxes and contradiction when finding the cancer cure.

    The most significant issues in cancer appears that came over from my research these past couple of weeks appears to be the mysterious switching mechanism that switches a person to cancer, and what is needed to neutralize or reverse that switch. Perhaps the most important issue is three things that you need to be aware of, concerning the issue of cancer on these electrical switches:

    1. Cancer cells have -15 millivolts registered on the ORP (Oxidation Reduction Potential)
    2. Healing cells have -50 millivolts
    3. Healthy cells range from -70 to -100 millivolts.

    The way I used to measure this is to use an ORP meter. The food or drinks we take should provide the readings to answer them properly. This issue is a huge topic, but because I am severely limited with time, I will briefly overview these issues.

    The issue is really simple: If we can consume a product whose millivolts to allow all cells to -70 millivolts, the cancer cells could not survive. A lot of other people have already tried, this approach. One is Dr. Nordenstrom, who use weak electricity necessary to create an electrical voltage necessary at volts in the healthy millivolts range between -70 to -100. He did by getting electricity one lead into the cancer cells and one lead outside. In case if you want to know whether it was anode or cathode, all you need to remember is one of the leads where there is more air, is 2 parts hydrogen gas, and on another lead it is 1 part oxygen. it is the hydrogen, end which creates most of the hydrogen gas that actually generates an Oxidation Reduction potential measurement of something in the order of -300 millivolts. More then enough to kill cancer cells by electrocution.

    Then there is another way to do it, the use of sodium ascorbate or potassium ascorbate. Cancer cells loves sodium and that is why cancer becomes an edema, but to use sodium ascorbate won't protect healthy cells from getting the cancer, while the potassium ascorbate may protect weak cells whose voltages is really close to negative -15 millivolts such as -17 millivolts into cancer cells a possibility. In that case potassium ascorbate is an intracellular fluids, the fluid inside the cells and the potassium itself is toxic to cancer cells as they need sodium to do the job. A cancer cells are fermentation inorder for them to get glucose into their system, it needs to take in sodium, through the sodium pump mechanism. So if they uptake the sodium with sugar, the ascorbate actually change their charges. However sodium doesn't block the food of glucose into the cells. Ascorbate kills them with the -200 or -100 millivolts depending on the dose. A potassium ascorbate does two more things. The potassium blocks glucose metabolism since cancer needs sodium for glucose uptake. Remember, the major source of food for cancer cells is the sugar (either from glucose for normal respiration or the fructose corn syrup for their cancer metastasis). As for the ascorbate, which is an alkaline form of vitamin C, it kills them again by their negative millivolts. An even more toxic combination is to use the electronegative DIRECTLY the opposite of fluorides and chlorine, which are the elements on the periodic table, which are cesium and rubidium. Those have the exact opposite charges of cancer causing fluoride and chlorine. And cesium mimicks like a trojan horse as the potassium. So once it uptakes that the millivolts is changed to a more negative millivolts from both the ascorbate and the cesium. We can for convenient use the combination of potassium ascorbate with the cesium chloride due to their availability. A glucose trojan horse may also kill cancer cells that way, such as an "oxidized form" of glucose, such as gluconate. For instance, potassium gluconate, is one. The acetic acid in the Krebs cycle may help in away, so we use acetate form, such as potassium acetate, is one possible way. Apple cider vinegar in alkaline form when we mixed this with potassium carbonate, we get an alkaline form of apple cider vinegar with potassium. If the main component of vinegar is the acetic acid, a mix of potassium ascorbate will get you potassium acetate, with a twist: the apple cider vinegar in alkaline form has a millivolt charge of over -200 easy. I have developed other methods of attaining much higher millivolts for much longer period, but for a home remedy and first aid kit, this is sufficient.

    In order to figure out if your negative millivolts are effecting you from consuming the things I mentioned, it is very easy to prove. Get a ORP meter and measure your first urine. Both the pH AND the ORP readings. For instance, I have this British friend of mine who reported a positive millivolts of around 100, with a urine pH of roughly 5.1. In other words he is both a potential chronic kidney failure (metabolic acidosis of the kidney whenever urine pH is BELOW 5.5). The acid of the urine itself can kill the kidney. The positive ORP is potentially deadly to all cells in the body because WE ARE A WALKING ALKALINE BATTERY body. Most living systems are actually walking alkaline battery, powered by the hydrogen (or negative hydrogen), through the process of converting NADP to NADPH. it's the NADPH that we are after as it is reflected in reduced form or negative millivolts.

    Here is how the cancer switch is turned on: If I am a weak person, whose healthy cells are around -60 millivolts, and I take extra long shower with chlorinated water, whose millivolts is -300 and our body ABSORBS an average of 80% of the chlorine through our skin as chlorine is a gas. What you are doing in effect is to change your ALREADY low millivolts -60 into exactly -15 millivolts and suddenly the electrical energy now low, the mitochondrial now goes into anaerobic fermentation and becomes cancerous. This can happen if one were to be consuming an acid form of vitamin C, and other acid drinks. The only way to prove that is vitamin C in acid form is actually positive millivolts, usually 150 to 300, depending on various things.

    I consider these millivolts to be qi in Chinese accupuncture, or lifeforce, as measured in millivolts. Our body begins to heal if we can attain these healthy cells millivolts range. You can do from something as simple as a parts per million to parts per billion hydrogen gas, as it is found in sacred healing water in Tlacote Mexico where Magic Johnson also go there to treat his HIV positive after retirement sometime in early 1990s, as well as in France, New Delhi, Germany, and Japan. They all have these healing properties, but because they are of gaseous nature it cannot retain hydrogen for any lenght of time and hence it's electrical properties are lost, but vitamin C in alkaline form are more stable ones also.

    So if I happen to see many people taking their urine ORP and pH test, and find the ORP is positive, it means they are walking time bomb for cancer cells to be switched on anytime. Urine always have more acid pH then they do with plasma, and hence ORP positive means it is way off healthy cells range in plasma, but should their ORP of the urine is in a safe -50 millivolts at leas, with a urine pH above 6.5 to 7.35, the the likely hood of these "switches" in our mitochondria to be cancer cells is reduced. However if the ORP is positive or within very close range of the -15 millivolts we are potentially a walking time bombs for cancer cells.

    Take for instance a few clients that recently died from lost of their life force as their urine pH goes from -50 millivolts, to -25 millivolts to +10 millivolts and to +100 millivolts. That means their life force of alkaline battery cells is already on LOW BATT and this means they could just die if their is not enough battery juice left. Did we ever take a consideration of filling up these battery cells and get them "filled up" with just an alkaline form of both sodium and potassium ascorbate, and make sure their urine pH remains at -70 millivolts. This could potentially save lives and it is what I have witnessed in ICU rooms where they die of a slow death allowing their life force to be lost and unchecked with the use of a simple ORP. You can predict them before they happen and perhaps reverse their demise if they only had known.

    Ted

    Replied by Self
    Ny
    12/10/2010

    The purest potassium ascorbate I can find is in pill form and mixed with ascorbic acid (700 milligrams of potassium with 4 grams of ascorbic acid). I hope crushing this to a powder and adding baking soda to make the ascorbic acid alkaline will be adequate. So one pill can be combined with apple cider vinegar and enough baking soda to get a pH of 8 and drank 1-3 times a day until the urine pH and millivolts are in the healthy range?

    Instead of the potassium ascorbate, I could also use potassium bicarbonate or potassium carbonate or potassium gluconate or potassium citrate and add it to the apple cider vinegar (ACV) and until the pH of the mixture is 7 or 8 and drink 2-3 times a day or until urine pH and millivolts are in healthy range? Or I need baking soda to get it to pH of 7 or 8? What's the difference between potassium bicarbonate or potassium carbonate, does it matter which I use? These various potassium will give -200 millivolts range (or at least high engative millivolts)?

    So what is dosage 1/4 teaspoon potassium carbonate and 2 tablespoons of ACV 2-3 times a day or until urine pH and millivolts are in healthy range (as well as switch to an alkaline diet of fresh fruits and vegetables, dechlorinated water, and some oral or transdermal magnesium chhloride for good measure)?

    Cesium chloride is just too expensive. You wrote in the past methylene blue is a negative hydrogen carrier and has a -200 millivolts to -300 millivolts charge. Perhaps this can be used too but how (dosing)?


    Reference for my question: Malaria Treatment

    Thank you.


    Source: Ted's Remedies, Natural Cures for Cancer





    Ted's Remedies
    Ted (Bangkok, Thailand) on 11/29/2010 384 posts

    Dear Deirdre:

    It's been hell for the last couple of weeks, my clients died (septicemia from hospital infection), and then another (fatty liver from hospital's giving too much vegetable oils, which kills the liver) and a computer that's simply not working (mouse needs a replacement and the USB is not working). In any case, sorry I haven't been answering emails. People here in Bangkok just wouldn't give me a chance for free time, now I have nuns and priests who need my health care and I ended up treating them!

    However the death of my clients now teaches me the importance of liver and this lead me to the fact that before a person dies, if the stomach and liver shuts down, you die quickly. The cause is simple: the liver REDOX or ORP, is slowly being "oxidized", hence the ORP comes to an unealthy range of figures that is that does not reach -70 millivolts. Hence as the millivolts is in that range the energy levels is lower, to the point that liver shutdown occurs and you die. Hence, to reverse this death millivolts has to be in the -70 to -100 millivolts, through the use of potassium ascorbate, sodium ascorbate, apple cider vinegar with baking soda, and other reducing compounds, that are also stable in a very oxidizing solution, is the simpler "home remedy" answer. The states of cancer and their mitosis occurs at -15 millivolts. Obviously oxidizing compounds such as the use of MMS can easily kill a cancer cachexia patients. This is one reason why hydrazine sulfate was used in cancer cachexia. It raises the millivolts quickly to normal healthy cells. In fact, if you can raise this millivolts, to healthy levels, cancer cells just simply don't have a chance to spread and grow. Hence an injection of any reducing compounds in the -200 millivolts range such as potassium ascorbate into the tumor itself could easily kill cancer cells as the simplest of all chemotherapy.

    Ted


    Source: Ted's Remedies, Natural Cures for Cancer

    *Note by TreasureVibe, once again IV potassium chloride is proven deadly. Therefore any kind of potassium IV could potentially be deadly. Injection into a tumor with potassium ascorbate is spoken of in this post, which resembles IV (Intravenous).


    DMSO-Vitamin C Therapy
    7/6/2013

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    DMSO-Vitamin C Therapy

    Very Inexpensive Cancer Therapy (under further study by ICRF)
    ( Particularly Suitable for Bone Cancer)


    Introduction to the DMSO – Vitamin C TreatmentThe theory of this treatment is that Vitamin C is so similar to glucose, that cells, and especially cancer cells, consume vitamin C the same way they would consume glucose.

    Because cancer cells consume 15 times more glucose than normal cells, under the right conditions, cancer cells should consume 15 times more vitamin C than a normal cell. While normal cells benefit from vitamin C, the microbes inside of the cancer cells may be killed by vitamin C. It is microbes which are inside of the cancer cells which cause cancer and which force a cancer cell to remain cancerous.

    It should be mentioned that two-time Nobel Prize winner Linus Pauling, and an associate, Dr. Ewan Cameron, M.D., were able to extend the lives of cancer patients more than 10-fold using only 10 grams of vitamin C a day by I.V.


    This protocol will modify the Pauling/Cameron protocol four different ways:
    1) It will include DMSO in the evening dose to help Vitamin C target cancer cells and get inside of cancer cells,
    2) It includes a very, very low glucose diet so that the cancer cells will feast on Vitamin C instead of glucose,
    3) It includes 15% or less potassium ascorbate, which has a special affinity for cancer cells,
    4) It will include as little sodium ascorbate (or other sodium forms of Vitamin C) as possible because these types of Vitamin C do not get inside of cancer cells very well.

    Regarding the use of potassium ascorbate, a foundation in Italy has proven that potassium ascorbate can be used to cure cancer (WARNING: no more than 15% of the Vitamin C you take should be a potassium version)

    The second thing this treatment uses is DMSO. DMSO is used to “open” the ports on the cancer cells to assist getting vitamin C inside the cancer cells. DMSO is very well known to target cancer cells and open their ports.

    In summary, there are three things that help get the vitamin C inside the cancer cells:
    1) Cancer cells consume 15 times more glucose than normal cells and cancer cells cannot tell the difference between glucose and vitamin C.
    2) The use of potassium ascorbate as a part of the Vitamin C protocol.
    3) The use of DMSO.

    A fourth unique thing about this protocol is the “cancer diet.” The cancer diet for this treatment focuses on a LOW GLUCOSE cancer diet. In this way, the cancer cells have less glucose to interfere with their consumption of vitamin C!!

    Possible Swelling and Inflammation

    There are two possible results when large amounts of vitamin C get inside of a cancer cell. First, the vitamin C can kill the microbe(s) inside the cancer cell and the cell will safely revert into a normal cell; or second, the vitamin C can kill the cancer cell itself.

    While the first of these two options will not cause any swelling or inflammation, the second option may cause swelling and inflammation.

    For this reason, anyone on this protocol who would be put at risk by swelling and/or inflammation (e.g. in a tumor), should carefully and slowly build-up to the therapeutic dose of vitamin C, watching carefully for any potential swelling or inflammation.

    Details of the TreatmentWhat Is DMSO?This treatment includes DMSO, which is technically called: dimethyl sulfoxide. DMSO is a purely natural product from the wood industry. Many, many millions of people have used DMSO around the world. Not one person has died from its use.

    However, many people have difficulties working with DMSO. In some cases, when taken transdermally (through the skin) there is a skin rash which is simply too severe to continue the treatment. When you get your bottle of DMSO put one drop on your skin, spread it around a little bit and see if you have an allergic reaction (i.e. severe rash). If not, an hour later put 10 drops on your skin and spread it thin.

    If you do have a reaction, you may still be able to take the DMSO orally (added to 4 ounces of water). But if you cannot take the DMSO orally, and you have a skin reaction to the DMSO, you will have to abandon this treatment.

    If you want to know more about DMSO, see this website:
    DMSO: Many Uses, Much Controversy

    The Importance of the DMSOThis treatment uses DMSO (in the evening) and vitamin C (twice a day). The theory of this treatment is that the DMSO will be used first (in the evening dose), either taken orally (with water) or transdermally (through the skin). In about 10 minutes the DMSO will have targeted the cancer cells and will start “opening up” their ports.

    In the evening dose, about ten minutes after taking the DMSO, the vitamin C will be taken with water. When the vitamin C gets to the cancer cells the cells natural affinity for consuming vitamin C (because the cancer cells “think” the vitamin C is glucose) should be enhanced by the fact that the cancer cells have been “opened up” by DMSO.

    The theory is that the DMSO will allow a larger concentration of vitamin C to get inside the cancer cells than would normally occur.

    As already mentioned, once vitamin C can get inside of a cancer cell the cell may revert into a normal cell or it may be killed. If enough cancer cells are killed, some swelling may occur.

    The Vitamin C [VERY Important!!]There are several different types of vitamin C. The most common type of vitamin C is ascorbic acid, which is not bound to a mineral. This type of vitamin C is largely useless until it has bound to minerals already in the body.

    The ideal vitamin C product will have both ascorbic acid, no more than 15% potassium ascorbate or potassium carbonate and other forms of mineral ascorbates or carbonates or other forms of Vitamin C.

    Since sodium is generally found outside of cells and potassium is generally found inside of cells, to get vitamin C inside of cells it is best to use a potassium ascorbate. However, for safety reasons, most of the Vitamin C cannot be a potassium version of Vitamin C (talk to your vendor). If you can avoid sodium ascorbate and use some other non-potassium form of Vitamin C (e.g. ascorbic acid) use it.

    Some buffered vitamin C products have ascorbic acid and several different kinds of mineral ascorbates or carbonates (e.g. zinc carbonate). This is good, but it may be necessary to add some potassium ascorbate to get the percentage of potassium up to 15% (or whatever maximum your potassium vendor tells you). Include as little sodium ascorbate as possible.

    Critical Warnings

    Advanced cancer patients should NOT use this treatment, but should use the more proven cancer treatments.

    Children under the age of 12 should also not use this treatment.

    The doses in this treatment are designed for a person who weighs 68 kg or above. If you weigh less than 68 kg. , then take proportionately lower doses.

    Do NOT Use This Treatment With Prescription Drugs

    The DMSO in this treatment may enhance the effectiveness of prescription drugs, thus the cancer patient may effectively overdose on their prescription drugs. Use this treatment with prescription drugs with caution and close observation.

    Warning For Women Who Are, or Who Might Be, or Who Might Become Pregnant

    Women who are pregnant, might be pregnant, might become pregnant, or are nursing, should NOTtake this treatment. The affect on an unborn fetus could be fatal to the fetus due to the high doses of vitamin C combined with the extremely low weight of the fetus!! The concern is caused by the fact that a fetus has many undifferentiated cells and this treatment will TARGET cancer cells, which are also undifferentiated!! Thus, this treatment may inadvertantly target undifferentiated fetal cells and cause death or birth defects to the fetus!!!!

    TAKE THIS WARNING VERY, VERY SERIOUSLY!!!

    TumorsThis treatment is not designed to shrink tumors, so if any tumors are in dangerous locations (such as they are pressing on the bile duct) do not use this treatment. use one of the treatments which shrinks tumors, such as the Cellect-Budwig protocol.

    Also, if the patient has swelling in their brain, or any other dangerous condition, seek medical helpimmediately.

    Conflicts With Other TreatmentsDo NOT take this protocol if you are on the Budwig Diet.

    Do NOT take this protocol if you are taking Protocel(R), Entlev(R), Paw Paw, or graviola (including Amazon Factor Protocol).

    Do NOT take this protocol with any treatment which uses Miracle Mineral Supplement (MMS) or chlorine dioxide (including do NOT use the DMSO – Chlorine Dioxide protocol with this protocol).

    The vitamin C in this protocol will neutralize the protocols just listed.

    Possible Swelling and InflammationThere are two possible results when large amounts of vitamin C get inside of a cancer cell. First, the vitamin C can kill the microbe(s) inside the cancer cell and the cell will safely revert into a normal cell; or second, the vitamin C can kill the cancer cell itself.

    While the first of these two options will not cause any swelling or inflammation, the second option may cause swelling and inflammation.

    For this reason, anyone on this protocol who would be put at risk by swelling and/or inflammation (e.g. in a tumor), should carefully and slowly build-up to the therapeutic dose of vitamin C, watching carefully for any potential swelling or inflammation.


    The protocol:

    The schedule may look like this:
    0800 (8 AM) – Take 5 grams of vitamin C mixed in 6 ounces of water (with 15% or less a potassium Vitamin C)

    2000 (8 PM) – Take 1 TEAspoon of DMSO, mixed in 4 ounces of water
    2010 (8:10 PM) – Take 5 grams of vitamin C in 6 or more ounces of water

    ( For a body weight of around 55 Kg take 4gms of Vitamin C mixed in 5 ounces of water and 4ml of DMSO( one teaspoon is 5ml) mixed in 4 ounces of water-DKG)

    The DMSO used in this protocol should be at least 99% pure DMSO mixed with 30% water. In other words, you should buy “70/30″ DMSO, which means 70% pure DMSO and 30% water.

    The Evening Dose: Here are More Details for the Use of DMSO1a – DMSO Orally) If you are taking the DMSO orally, put 4 ounces of a quality bottled water in a glass. Then put ONE TEAspoon of DMSO in the water. Drink the water (and thus the DMSO).

    Because the DMSO may cause stomach irritation, you may want to build up to the therapeutic dose of DMSO. For example, you might use the following build-up:
    Day 1 – Evening) Use 1/4 TEAspoon of DMSO in 4 ounces of water,
    Day 2 – Evening) Use 1/2 TEAspoon of DMSO in 4 ounces of water,
    Day 3 – Evening) Use 3/4 TEAspoon of DMSO in 4 ounces of water,
    Day 4 – Evening) Use 1 TEAspoon of DMSO in 4 ounces of water,
    Day 5 – Evening) Continue using the 1 TEAspoon of DMSO in 4 ounces of water.

    1b – DMSO Transdermally) If you are taking the DMSO transdermally (through the skin), put ONE TEAspoon of DMSO on your arms, legs or stomach (as close to the cancer as possible). Spread the DMSO very thin (i.e. over a wide area of skin). Ten minutes after spreading the DMSO on the skin, and AFTER the DMSO has penetrated the skin (and the skin is dry), you can put a skin cream on where you rubbed the DMSO to prevent a rash.

    IMPORTANT WARNING – SWELLING AND INFLAMMATIONIf you have a type of cancer which could lead to a dangerous situation if swelling and inflammation resulted from this treatment, SLOWLY build up the dose of Vitamin C.

    For example, you might use the following build-up (for both morning and evening):
    Day 1) Use 1/4 TEAspoon of vitamin C, in 6 ounces of water
    Day 2) Use 1/2 TEAspoon of vitamin C, in 6 ounces of water
    Day 3) Use 3/4 TEAspoon of vitamin C, in 6 ounces of water
    Day 4) Use 1 level TEAspoon of vitamin C, in 6 ounces of water
    Day 5) Start the full treatment at full doses of 5gms of Vitamin C ( 1 teaspoonful)

    If you experience any potentially dangerous swelling or inflammation during any of the days, DISCONTINUE THIS TREATMENT.

    The Cancer DietAny time you use a protocol which is designed to kill microbes it is very, very critical to avoid eating foods and drinks which feed or excite the microbes. This includes cancer because cancer is a microbial disease.

    An acidic diet of foods and drinks will make this protocol less effective because microbes will breed much faster and be more aggressive in the presence of an acidic diet. In other words, the microbes will breed faster than you can kill them!! This includes the microbes which are inside the cancer cells.

    What this means is that without a solid “cancer diet” there is no way this cancer protocol, or any other cancer protocol, is going to be effective!! The “cancer diet” is also the number one way to stop the spreading of cancer!!

    An alkaline diet includes, among other things:
    1) ZERO sugar,
    2) ZERO white flour,
    3) ZERO soda pops (even diet soda pops are forbidden),
    4) ZERO meat,
    5) ZERO dairy products (except cottage cheese during the Budwig Diet),
    and so on.

    After eliminating all the foods that feed or excite microbes, what is left over is basically whole foods, non-sugar fruit and vegetable drinks and other healthy foods and drinks.

    Also, for this protocol, pay extra attention to avoiding anything with sugar, glucose, etc. in it (you do not have to worry about whole foods). Remember this is not only an alkaline diet but also a low-glucose diet.

    Other Comments About the ProtocolStarting 45 minutes before taking either the morning or evening treatment, until 45 minutes after taking the vitamin C, you should not eat any foods or take any other supplements. The reason is that the DMSO will open-up the cancer cells and the vitamin C should have as little competition as possible to get inside the cancer cells.

    In taking the evening treatment the DMSO is taken first, and the vitamin C is taken 10 minutes AFTER the DMSO is taken.

    NOTICE: The evening dose, because of the DMSO, will likely create severe body odor. One hour after taking the DMSO the person should take a shower and change clothes and underware. In the morning they should take another shower and change their underware again. For some people even these precautions will not be enough. Have trusted people (WHO HAVE NOT TAKEN DMSO) be the judge of how bad you smell after the two showers and two changes of clothes and underware.

    (The above is reproduced from www.cancertutor.com)

    The treatment should be continued for 8 weeks. After 8 weeks take a PET or CT scan & see the progress of the treatment. If there is improvement, continue the treatment. Else switch over to a more potent therapy like Cellect-Budwig.

    Disclaimer : The above is not a prescription to any patient but sharing of information only. As per request of readers of my articles published in Assamese Daily “Amar Asom” and also their compilation under the caption “CANCEROR ANSWER”, I am only sharing information obtained from the internet and information obtained from cancer patients who are following these treatment protocols of their own at home. I am sharing them with you not to suggest that you will have the same experiences but because you have a right to make your own evaluation. Similar to my right to freedom -of- speech, you have also right to freedom-of information and choice. Decision is yours.

    Daily exposure to sunlight is important for any cancer patient. Take morning sun rays on skin without contact lens or goggles at least for half an hour. Foods should be fresh, preferably organic and eaten raw where possible or very lightly cooked. Cook fresh every day – no re-heating!



    Cost of the treatment for 8 weeks.[ For body weight of 55 kgs(Indian average)]

    Item. Requirement/month Source Cost.

    70/30 DMSO 8 oz (approx.) www.mothernature.com $ 14.70

    @ 4ml/day

    Potassium 440gms. www.wholesalenutrition.com $ 37.50

    Ascorbate @ 8gms/day

    Currier charge ( Based on past imports to Assam, India) $ 82.39

    Total( including currier charges) ________________________$134.59

    Approx. = Rs. 6,350/-

    ( If 16 week’s requirement is purchased at a time it would cost only Rs. 8,800/-)



    Note : The therapy may be modified time to time based on experience & further study. Therefore, visit www.dilipkumargoswami.com for updates.

    Since this therapy is under further study by ICRF(Independent Cancer Research Foundation) please report at dilipkumargoswami49@gmail.com about the treatment progress every week for your own benefit as necessary guidance would be obtained from ICRF at the time of need which would make the treatment more effective.

    For any clarification do not hesitate to contact at 9435017059. If you get reasonable benefit out of this therapy, write in Newspaper about it so that others get, hope for survival and confidence on alternative therapies. Also do not forget to send a comprehensive e-mail report to dilipkumargoswami49@gmail.com for putting in testimonial section of website www.dilipkumargoswami.com.

    Remember that alternative therapies work better only if the patient is not administered with chemotherapy & radiation.

    Please support natural alternative therapies for cancer.

    ***************************************************************************************

    Source: DMSO-Vitamin C Therapy


    Potassium increases the antitumor effects of ascorbic acid in breast cancer cell lines in vitro.

    (PMID:27313770 PMCID:PMC4888082)
    Frajese GV 1 , Benvenuto M 2 , Fantini M 2 , Ambrosin E 1 , Sacchetti P 3 , Masuelli L 3 , Giganti MG 2 , Modesti A 2 , Bei R 2
    Oncology Letters [27 Apr 2016, 11(6):4224-4234]
    Type: research-article, Journal Article
    DOI: 10.3892/ol.2016.4506 [​IMG]
    Abstract
    Ascorbic acid (A) has been demonstrated to exhibit anti-cancer activity in association with chemotherapeutic agents. Potassium (K) is a regulator of cellular proliferation. In the present study, the biological effects of A and K bicarbonate, alone or in combination (A+K), on breast cancer cell lines were evaluated. The survival of cancer cells was determined by sulforhodamine B cell proliferation assay, while analysis of the cell cycle distribution was conducted via fluorescence-activated cell sorting. In addition, the expression of signaling proteins was analyzed upon treatment. The results indicated that there was a heterogeneous response of the different cell lines to A and K, and the best effects were achieved by A+K and A treatment. The interaction between A+K indicated an additive or synergistic effect. In addition, A+K increased the percentage of cells in the sub-G1 phase of the cell cycle, and was the most effective treatment in activating the degradation of poly(adenosine diphosphate-ribose) polymerase-1. In the breast cancer cell line MCF-7, A+K induced the appearance of the 18 kDa isoform of B-cell lymphoma-2-associated X protein (Bax), which is a more potent inducer of apoptosis than the full-length Bax-p21. The effects of A and K on the phosphorylation of extracellular signal-regulated kinase (ERK)1 and ERK2 were heterogeneous. In addition, treatment with K, A and A+K inhibited the expression of nuclear factor-κB. Overall, the results of the present study indicated that K potentiated the anti-tumoral effects of A in breast cancer cells in vitro.

    ORCIDs linked to this article

    Benvenuto M , 0000-0002-2520-1306

    Source: Potassium increases the antitumor effects of ascorbic acid in breast cancer cell lines in vitro. - Abstract - Europe PMC



    domenica 2 settembre 2007
    HEALED NATURALLY FROM CANCER WITH POTASSIUM ASCORBATE RIBOSIUM

    Stop! There is a new way to treat cancer: I got rid of it and please do the same I did: stop desperation have hope!
    I cured my health from a cancer without any chemiotherapy with no radio horrors, just followed the Pantellini Foundation suggestions and directions.

    My name is Annica Jonsson and I live in Sweden. I am 39 now and have blue eyes but in 1999 all people said they could not see my eyes since I was always crying and desperate. I had a cancer with metastasis. But in the same year in 1999 I met Mark, a italian guy who told me of the POTASSCIUM ASCORBATE RIBOSIUM, how this remedy was unexpensive, natural and about his father with cancer who with no chemiotherapy got rid of the cancer with the Ribosium potassium ascorbate.

    At present Mark's father lives in Pisa (the city where is the leaning tower) in Italy in Tuscany and at the age of 80 is still alive, he forgot of the cancer and he swims at seaside as a fish and has a very good health I hope to have as him at his age.

    I met mark at the University in Stockholm and he told me how his father was healed of cancer naturally in Italy with Ribosium Potassium Ascorbate.

    He told me of a foundation in italy named FONDAZIONE PANTELLINI (PANTELLINI FOUNDATION) and of a new method of healing from cancer based on the Potassium Ascorbate with Ribosium, a natural method. I believed in him and tried it. Without any chemiotherapy the cancer I had in the colon and with all the probelms it was creating in my bones month after month disappeared. After so many years from 1999 I forgot I had a cancer but I still take the potasssium ribosium ascorbate every week.

    I spent only some hundreds of Euros to buy the potassium ascorbate ribosium boxes and used to drink this powder in the morning. It is a natural method.

    Well the cancer disappeaer, completely disappeared and so happened to the father of Mark.

    Is not time to start talking of the powder of the Ascorbate of Potassium and Ribosium??

    My friend mark is a web designer for this no profit foundation now (works for free for them) and is trying to make this method to be known in the world: support him please in spreading the news aroound the world: the POTASSIUM ASCORBATE RIBOSIUM can really cure thousands of people and can PREVENT people from having a cancer since it is also used a prevention from degenerative diseases.

    read here below:
    http://www.pantellini.org/faq_asco_eng.asp
    http://www.savemark.pantellini.org/

    Now you have a further choice, please talk of this, tell your friend of me and how I healed: or the POTASSIUM ASCORBATE with Ribosium with a few money or the chemiotherapy which makes you older of twenty years in a year and all your money spent for doctors who never told you the truth about chemiotherapy: the survival rate of it is calculated in the TWO years after, if it were calculated in the TEN after the survival rate would be the 1%.

    Ask your chemioterapy oncologist what is inside chemioterapy and you will discover inside it there is also a gas called Yprites first used in the first world war.

    READY TO USE THE ASCORBATE OF POTASSIUM AND RIBOSIUM?? It is a poweful antioxidant so effective against cancer cells, when you drink it the cancer cells start dying of hunger without any toxicity in your body.

    After the first week I used it drinking in the morning I already felt energy in me and felt something was changing into good. After two weeks this sensation was deeper. In the first month the cancer started disappearing........ doctors in hospital in Stockholm were shocked.

    The FONDAZIONE PANTELLINI (is a no profit foundation) is a little one and not known in the world: big pharmaceutical companies do not like them since the Ribosium Potassium Ascorbate is so cheap: a box for a month costs about 40 Dollars or so. It is natural and has no kind of drawbacks. My daughter of 4 years old takes the Ribosium Potassium Ascorbate twice a week as prevention. It works also as prevention since it keeps low the everyday's cell degenerative processes. This is what I learnt from the web site of the Pantellini Foundation.

    Why is Potassium Ascorbate not “officially” recognized?
    Since those who are interested in this subject often lack the basic scientific preparation for understanding the way Potassium Ascorbate works (current research texts no longer refer to the information on which Dr. Pantellini based his studies), the tendency is for misunderstandings and superficial judgements to come into play.

    Annica

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    08-26-2007, 11:25 AM#1spyderlive
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    www.pantellini.org
    you find english text at the bottom, read about this new natural method against cancer and degenerative diseases. It is about the extraordinary efefcts of Ascorbate of Potassium and Ribosium against cancer and degeneration of cells. I am the eyewitness of so many people using it and feeling better. My father and mother included.

    The ASCORBATE OF POTASSIUM: a completely natural powder which is their killer against the degeneration of cells. Lately they have internationally patented the RIBOSIUM which is what makes the solution even more powerful. And wholly natural and totally unexpensive.

    http://www.pantellini.org/faq_asco_eng.asp
    www.pantellini.org is initalian with english text at the bottom.

    For those who need more info you can call me in Italy: 0039 0587 733786 I can call you back I have a special line for USA and tell you how this can help you to fight cancer and degenerative diseases, help me to spread the news of this method not yet known worldvide.

    The promoters of it are little, is a little no Profit Foundation based in Italy but only now the news of this are starting travelling the world. Many people can be helped with this new method: help me to spread the news to the world if this new opportunity. My Both parents got healed from their cancer and so my friend Annica in Sweden and some more people I see here in Italy and Holland. It is a natural method, a good opportunity and not aggressive as the chemiotherapy.

    mark

    08-29-2007, 12:52 AM#2Vee Smith
    For more information on Potassium Ascorbate [a form of vitamin C] >> http://www.nutri.com/prices/whchc.html andhttp://www.fao.org/docrep/meeting/00...s/y0474s5e.htm

    Source: https://www.cancerforums.net/thread...in-USA-too?s=74ba564afe9b72011213d7efcfa8a89d



    full text: http://www.holimedex.com/highph.html Note by TreasureVibe, folic acid supplementation which is named in this text is associated with cancer growth in studies. The beneficial effect of alkalization for cancer treatment mentioned in this text is something that has been refuted by Dr. Ray Peat himself, but the text does mention the sodium-potassium cell connection as beneficial too, and potassium ascorbate is acidic supposedly as ascorbate is ascorbic acid, although the pH of it is something I don't know.




    This is a salt of ascorbic acid, which has proved to be much more active than pure ascorbic acid and sodium ascorbate. In point of fact the dosage of Potassium ascorbate administered to caner patients is definitely lower than that used and mentioned by American authors, i.e. 10 grs. a day against 0.90 grs. a day of K ascorbate, as I do suggest.


    Ascorbic acid and its relevant salts, Na Ascorbate, Ca Ascorbate, Mg Ascorbate and K Ascorbate, being extremely reasonable the assumption of interdependence in the genertic reactions of reversible transformations between a structure of Ribose and a structure of Ascorbic acid or of its relevant salts in solution, owing to either a loss or acquisition of H2 2 O and of CO . This takes place at the cell metabolism due to the enzymatic action, as required. During these metabolic reactions the Ascorbic acid free radicals help strengthening the basal substance structures in which the cell is plunged, though the mediating action of the extracellular Ca++ cation on the protoaminoglycans and the glycosaminoglycans. These structures are essential to maintain code signals between cell and cell and in particular among all the self-regulating genes of the cell itself. I believe that K cation is the most important of the cations salified with ascorbic residues. This cation being located inside the cell is cetainly essential to maintain the enzymatic process of the self-regulating genes of the cell itself.

    Source: https://www.curezone.org/upload/PDF/studies_ascorbate.pdf




    Because cancer cells are relatively low in an intracellular anti-oxidant enzyme called catalase, the high dose vitamin C induction of peroxide will continue to build up until it eventually lyses the cancer cell from the inside out! This effectively makes high dose IVC a non-toxic chemotherapeutic agent that can be given in conjunction with conventional cancer treatments. Based on the work of several vitamin C pioneers before him, Dr. Riordan was able to prove that vitamin C was selectively toxic to cancer cells if given intravenously. This research was recently reproduced and published by Dr. Mark Levine at the National Institutes of Health.

    As feared by many oncologists, small doses may actually help the cancer cells because small amounts of vitamin C may help the cancer cells arm themselves against the free-radical induced damage caused by chemotherapy and radiation. Only markedly higher doses of vitamin C will selectively build up as peroxide in the cancer cells to the point of acting in a manner similar to chemotherapy. These tumor-toxic dosages can only be obtained by intravenous administration.

    Source: http://www.wakingtimes.com/2013/08/...-frightens-the-fda-and-conventional-medicine/




    Update June 18, 2015
    Last night I tried potassium ascorbate instead of sodium ascorbate and I could feel the increase in saturation. I only use it once a day due to its potential for overdose. The red area I'm treating was there for over a year and I fed it well (lots of fruit juices) so I'm not expecting visible results for at least a month of this treatment.

    Source: https://www.vitamincfoundation.org/inprogress/basal.php



    ascorbate potassium ribosium healed cancer
    Discussion in 'Cancer' started by spyderlive, Sep 1, 2007.

    1. I hope you do not consider this spamming cause I report a link of a web site but I would like to bring your attention to the Ascorbate of Potassium which healed my father from a Liver and Colon cancer. We did not go through any chemotherapy nor surgery but we believed since the beginning in the ASCORBATE OF POTASSIUM WITH RIBOSIUM following the suggestions of the Pantellini Foundation we found on the net www.pantellini.org

      Here is all in english
      www.pantellini.org/faq_asco_eng.asp

      My dad still assumes the potassium ascorbate with ribosium several times a week and he is healthy and is 80 years and seems the potassium ascorbate with ribosium made him 15 years younger.

      I take it weekly as prevention but please have a loook at this site cause it is a natural method.
      spyderlive, Sep 1, 2007
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    Source: http://forums.prohealth.com/forums/...rbate-potassium-ribosium-healed-cancer.25523/



    Potassium ascorbate: This form is not recommended at high doses for antioxidants for cancer because most cancer patients have subclinical adrenal weakness with relatively high levels of potassium compared to sodium, though lab tests usually show both as normal.

    Source: https://www.drlam.com/blog/antioxidants-for-cancer/13406/amp/





    TED'S CANCER REMEDIES
    PARHATSATHID NABADALUNG (AKA TED)
    CONTRIBUTING EDITOR

    Bangkok, Thailand
    parhatsathid@gmail.com


    "What foods should I avoid if I have cancer?"

    This is the single most frequently asked question I get from people with cancer. The answer, of course, is complicated, but controlling your cancer through diet comes down to two principles: controlling your body's oxidation levels to prevent cancer and limiting your sugar intake to prevent metastasizing of cancers.



    How Cancer Gets Started

    The big question is, what is the mysterious switching mechanism that switches a cancer on, and what is needed to neutralize or reverse that switch? There are three things you need to be aware of:



    1. Cancer cells register -15 millivolts on the ORP (Oxidation Reduction Potential) scale

    2. Healing cells register -50 millivolts

    3. Healthy cells register from -70 to -100 millivolts.



    Here is how the cancer switch is turned on: If I am a weak person, whose healthy cells are around -60 millivolts, and for instance I take an extra long shower with chlorinated water, whose millivolts are -300, your body ABSORBS an average of 80% of the chlorine through your skin as chlorine gas. What you are doing in effect is to change your ALREADY low millivolts -60 into exactly -15 millivolts and suddenly the mitochondria go into anaerobic fermentation and those cells become cancerous.


    Our body begins to heal if we can get the cells in the right millivolts range. You can do something as simple as soak in sacred healing water, as in Tlacote Mexico where Magic Johnson went to treat his HIV.



    Food, of course, is the biggest factor.
    If we can consume foods whose millivolts allow all cells to reach -70 millivolts, the cancer cells could not survive. Then there is another way to do it, the use of sodium ascorbate or potassium ascorbate. Cancer cells love sodium, and that is why cancer causes edema, but sodium ascorbate won't protect healthy cells from getting the cancer, while the potassium ascorbate may protect weak cells whose voltages are really close to negative -15 millivolts.



    The acetic acid in the Krebs cycle may also help. Apple cider vinegar in alkaline form when mixed with potassium carbonate gives an alkaline form of apple cider vinegar with potassium. If the main component of vinegar is the acetic acid, a mix of potassium ascorbate will get you potassium acetate, with a twist: the apple cider vinegar in alkaline form has a millivolt charge of over -200 easy.



    Are You at Risk for Cancer?
    In order to figure out if your body's redox levels (oxidative reduction potential) are affecting you, get an ORP meter and measure your first urine of the day. Both the pH AND the ORP readings. If I see a person taking their urine ORP and pH test, and find the ORP is positive, it means they are a walking time bomb for cancer cells to be switched on anytime. Urine always has a more acid pH than plasma, and so a positive ORP means it is way off the healthy cells range in plasma. But should their urine ORP be in a safe range of -50 millivolts at least, with a urine pH above 6.5 to 7.35, the likelihood of these "switches" in our mitochondria turning on cancer cells is reduced.


    Take for instance a few clients that recently died from loss of their life force, as their urine pH went from -50 millivolts, to -25 millivolts to +10 millivolts and to +100 millivolts. That means their life force was already on LOW BATT, and this means they could just die if there is not enough battery juice left. Treatment should be to fill up these battery cells with an alkaline form of both sodium and potassium ascorbate, and make sure their urine pH remains at -70 millivolts.



    This could potentially save lives and it is what I have witnessed in ICU rooms where they die a slow death allowing their life force to be lost, unchecked with the use of a simple ORP tester. You can predict these deaths before they happen and perhaps reverse their demise.



    Metastasizing Cancer

    So when the ORP in the body is overly positive, cancer can first take hold, but if you already have cancer what will make it spread and get worse?



    It's sugar.



    Most people with cancer are diabetic. However, most do not know they have diabetes, even if they did measure their blood sugar. Now, cancerous tumors require sugar and glucose for them to persist, but they REQUIRE FRUCTOSE TO METASTASIZE.



    The best way to stop the metastasis has got to be lysine, BUT WITHOUT THE CALCIUM. But the trigger for metastasis is fructose and sugar levels. The facts on this issue of cancer survival are based on a Journal of American Medical Association (JAMA) report, that people who have more than 90 mg/dL of blood sugar have a 97% increased chance of dying. And those with blood sugar below or equal to 90 mg/dL have a 97% greater chance of survival. It's a key fact that people keep overlooking.



    A cancer can reach general metastasis within 2 hours after consuming most fructose, especially in fruit juices of all kinds. Cancer here in Thailand exploded in the past 5 years here, right after national sales of fruit juices skyrocketed. So it's no coincidence that fruit juices, even without added sugar (called sucrose), do contain large amounts of sugars, such as the fructose found in fruits to begin with.



    People tell me how healthy fruits are, and of course they are healthy, for healthy people. What we fail to realize is that research studies assume people with normal blood sugar find them beneficial, and also that in laboratory rats, we prepare fruit extracts, WITHOUT the sugar fructose. Fructose is more dangerous then sucrose, but sucrose is a double sugar that has fructose and glucose built in. The body's insulin merely controls your blood glucose, but has no control of fructose directly allowing fructose, as a Trojan horse to damage the system.



    There are three causes of diabetes that trigger cancer growth when your blood sugar is uncontrolled:



    1. Fruit juices and sweet drinks.

    A soft drink contains 10% sugar. So in a 1-liter bottle you have just consumed 100 grams of sugar. If you do this three times a day, and do that for 4 days, you have actually consumed about 1.2 kilograms of sugar. That is more than 2 pounds of sugar. It is beyond what the body can metabolize. We are practically growing cancer farms.

    2. Oily foods, especially polyunsaturated fatty acids.

    Perhaps the only known oils that do not damage the liver are coconut oil and lard. They are both saturated fats and in chemistry are not subjected to free radical attacks. Put a vegetable oil in the sun, side to side with coconut oil, and in one month the coconut oil remains the same but the vegetable oil will turn to glue. Imagine what happens if this occurs in the body as fats and oil tend to accumulate and stay in your body for a long time. Once the liver is damaged, it can't handle the body's sugars as well.



    3. Wheat products.

    Wheat contains a protein that destroys your pancreas, and studies show that this alone can initiate type 1 diabetes. Now in a cancer patient, if the pancreas doesn't work the blood sugar gets high, but as the pancreas gets destroyed, it can't produce pancreatic enzymes. Without enough enzymes in your system, the body cannot digest the food and we end up having cancer cachexia.



    What Not to Eat
    As for a short list of what not to eat, here is an excerpt from one of my private emails:

    • NO WHEAT PRODUCTS!
    • NO fruit or fruit juices.
    • NO sweet drinks or sodas.
    • NO sugar or artificial sugars.
    • NO corn syrup or fructose.
    • NO carbonated water. Plain water is always ok.
    • NO vegetable oils except coconut oil used in cooking.
    • NO fried foods.
    • NO calcium.
    • NO large meals consisting largely of meats.
    On the positive side, do drink plenty of water during meals. Do not eat before sleep and no large meals at dinner. Dinnertime is best before 5 p.m. No meals after this. Obviously, no snacks and bakery products. Supplements that reduce blood sugar are helpful, as in glucophage (metformin) twice a day, B3 250 mg three times a day, and B1 100 mg three times a day. White tea is also important in flushing out excess sugar, while lysine, threonine, glutamine, Vitamin C, proline, tannic acid and perhaps green tea extract can stop a cancer's progression.



    It is MOST important, though, to get blood sugar below or equal to 90 mg/dL. You have a 97% better survival rate from cancer if you do.

    Controlling Your Blood Sugar When You Have Cancer

    My method for checking blood sugar is to do so 1 HOUR AFTER eating food. Most medical practitioners today measure blood sugar based on 12-hour fasting blood sugar, which is the wrong way to measure with cancer. The reason why they are wrong is cancer becomes metastatic after a blood sugar spike ONE HOUR AFTER A MEAL. The cancer becomes metastatic in the second hour.



    Obviously you have to find a cure for diabetes to cure cancer, but in more reasonable terms, if you can CONTROL BLOOD SUGAR not to exceed 110 the cancer simply can't go into metastasis.



    I have found three substances that get blood sugar down, namely:

    • N acetyl Cystiene
    • Beta carotene (mostly found in carrots)
    • Bitter cucumber.
    The N acetyl cysteine has a long-term effect (which takes about a week) to get blood sugar down, but the quickest is freshly squeezed carrot juice alone or with bitter cucumber. That gets blood sugar down fairly quickly, always less than 110.



    Research circles surmise that diabetes is due to a deficiency in beta-carotene and cryptoxanthin (the yellow pigments in carrot, pumpkins and orange rinds). Beta-carotene is a provitamin of Vitamin A. From my own observation I have found provitamins, or percursors of vitamins, to be far more effective than the vitamins themselves in a few cases, such as panthenol, which is a vitamin B5 of pantothenic acid or beta-carotene for example. These get blood sugar down very quickly and also have a stabilizing effect on blood pressure (in some cases there is no need to take blood pressure medicine if carrot juice is consumed).


    Can You Reverse Cancer?
    The second point and perhaps the most important point is DMSO (dimethyl sulfoxide) turns cancer cells into normal cells. The mechanism is fairly straightforward. Basically DMSO can enter cancer cells, but the DMSO takes WATER OUT from the cells and reduces their sodium content. When this is done, the cells are no longer waterlogged and normal respiration proceeds. Hence cells are no longer fermentative.



    From my observation of cancer cells, they become cancerous if the oxygen is low and cellular respiration is restricted by too much sugar, oil, and water inside the cells. Sugar promotes fermentation and supports anaerobic respiration. Healthy cells support aerobic respiration. Hence if sugars are low, cells can't revert to anaerobic respiration.


    The one major sore thumb about using DMSO is that it causes itchiness when applied to the skin. Of course we can get around the problem by thinly applying lavender oil then DMSO. Putting on too much DMSO and leaving it too long tends to cause burning of the skin, but if it is applied thinly to the tumor area, the problem won't happen. DMSO actually converts more than 50% of a skin cancer tumor to normal cells (usually averages 80%) within 2 days. If it is deep in the body, then it takes a bit longer such as 3 to 5 days to get 50% reduction.



    Reduce Cancer Pain

    The above is just the results of a few clients, but for certain DMSO is EXCELLENT in reducing cancer pain. The secret to getting rid of the cancer pain is simple. Lactic acid production in the cancer cells is what causes pain, but that pain is much more IF THE CANCER CELLS ARE VERY ANAEROBIC. The DMSO is a good oxygen and nutrient carrier. By applying it to the tumor cells externally on the skin, the cancer cells become more aerobic and hence the pain reduces. And this is NOT only theoretical knowledge, since I have tested it on several people and all reported SIGNIFICANT reduction in cancer pain.



    Even with me having liver pain, or kidney pain, and I don't even have cancer, the pain simply vanishes away when DMSO is applied to the area. The reason why this pain is reduced is simple, if there is cellular congestion of various toxins and lack of nutrients to neutralize them, it CAUSES PAIN. When DMSO goes into that area, the toxins get neutralized and are removed from the body.


    So if a person feels the need for a painkiller, DMSO works far better than morphine for cancer pain, mostly from the fact that DMSO doesn't kill you, as does morphine, and without the addiction of using morphine.



    Fighting Cancer

    So by controlling sugar, checking ORP, and with the use of a few supplements we can keep cancer cells under control. I consider the ORP millivolts to be the qi in Chinese acupuncture, or lifeforce, as measured in millivolts. Cancer and other diseases can take hold when this qi or lifeforce is run down, traditional medicines have long known that, but foods and supplements can bring it back up. Low sugar intake can keep the qi in balance. Testing your ORP can tell you whether your body has the qi to keep itself healthy, and then we can take all of these steps to keep cancers from starting or spreading.



    Ted


    Source: http://archive.constantcontact.com/fs020/1101631005260/archive/1104670902258.html



    hotmilk

    USA
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    [​IMG]Posted - 08/26/2007 : 07:44:55 [​IMG] [​IMG]
    While you think you can prevent skin cancer try to prevent cancer in all your body.

    Ascorbate of Potassium - the strongest antioxidant to produce effects against the degenerations of ceels. It shows extraordinary efefcts against cancer and degenerations of cells. Here where I live many people are healing with this method and my father too. All have to
    know of the Potassium Ascorbate often with Ribosium

    It is used as a cure, true, since my dad healed from a cancer and so my mother but is also a prevention: keeps as low as possible the number of degenerative cells produced by the human body.

    The convinciment of the Foundation Pantellini is the degenerative diseases start all in the same way, so colon cancer or ovarian or else does not matter, the Ascorbate of Potassium especially with the Ribosium is effective on all of them.

    This Foundation is located in Italy but starting being known also in USA and the Potassium Ascorbate is so unexpensive and natural.

    Read this site, you'll find text also in English www.pantellini.org or go straight to: http://www.pantellini.org/faq_asco_eng.asp

    mark

    Source: http://www.topicalinfo.org/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=184


    By Spyderlive on Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 9:10 pm:

    We can effectively defeat and prevent degenerative diseases.A wholly natural remedy against degenerative diseases which works on your immune system: we make degenerative diseses die of hunger.

    What we use is the ASCORBATE OF POTASSIUM: a completely natural powder which is our killer against the degeneration of cells. Lately we have internationally patented the RIBOSIUM which is what makes our solution even more powerful.

    This method is not known there where you live but many people here are getting healed please spread the news of this: the Ascorbate of Potassium is fully natural and so unexpensive.

    www.pantellini.org, english text at the bottom

    Source: http://www.tokyowithkids.com/discussions/messages/8/1550.html?1381754755

    Dr. Gerson (page 246) gave his cancer patients a 10% potassium solution. Perhaps you can find a potassium drink in your local health food store. Potassium tablets are commonly available. Search on the Internet for a suppliers of potassium chloride, potassium bicarbonate, potassium citrate, and potassium iodide if you cannot find them locally.

    Salts of the alkaline minerals cesium, rubidium and potassium have been found by Dr. Brewer to be particularly effective in fighting cancer.

    Source: http://healthy-communications.com/acidalkalinebalance.htm





    RP forum topic in which potassium ascorbate is briefly discussed:

    https://raypeatforum.com/community/threads/vitamin-c-intravenous.23474/







    Kerrigen
    Post » Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:55 pm

    Hi, i'm sorry for you. My guinea pig maybe has something similar. I was looking for something alternative to surgery and kemio, and a friend of mine (a vet -not of extic pets- also specialised in homeopathic veterinary medicine talked me about the use in cats, dogs, horses and rabbits of potassium ascorbate with ribosium, in order to delay and mitigate the consequences of cancer. I've never tried this, but I'm taking informations about it, if eventually i will need it with my piggie. My friend wrote an article about it, but it's in italian. I don't know if there is something also in English. I know there is an italian foundation researching about this substance ( http://www.pantellini.org/en/ ), they also have a vet. I talked with her today to ask for information.

    Source: http://www.guinealynx.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=74424






    4. Salts of Cesium, Rubidium and Potassium

    Hello!

    I wish to commend the authors of the Alkalize For Health web site. I believe it is one of the very best sources of information on cancer treatment and prevention. I have learned a great deal here and have recommended it to friends.

    I suffer from Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia and have many friends similarly afflicted. We are all trying to avoid conventional treatment with chemotherapy, in part because it does not cure, and in part because it harms our immune systems, rendering them too weak for some of the potentially more effective treatments in development.

    I saw an article by Aubrey Keith Brewer, Ph.D. based on his work on High Ph Cancer Therapy with Cesium. I believe it belongs on your site. I am providing the URL to find it and evaluate it for suitability. It fits with the "alkalinity" theme and with Warburg's theory. Only it goes much further in proposing a treatment protocol that is simple, elegant, and non-toxic. It is a crime, in my opinion, that this model is not being researched. By giving it more exposure, many of us will demand that attention be paid to this greatly overlooked treatment.

    Here is the URL: http://www.mwt.net/~drbrewer/highpH.htm

    Thank you for your consideration.

    Peter Lorenz

    In 1984, Dr. A. Keith Brewer wrote an article "The High pH Therapy for Cancer - Tests on Mice and Humans" that was published in Pharmacology Biochemistry & Behavior, v.21, Suppl., 1, pp. 1-5. In addition to the tumor masses disappearing over a period of several weeks, Dr. Brewer reported "all pains and effects associated with cancer disappeared within 12 to 36 hr."

    Dr. Brewer's patients ate 3 to 6 grams of cesium chloride (CsCl) or rubidium chloride (RbCl) daily together with 2 to 4 grams of potassium chloride (KCl) and a variety of other nutritional supplements. "The toxic dose for CsCl is 135 g. The administration of 6 g per day therefore has no toxic effects. It is sufficient however to give rise to the pH in the cancer cells, bringing them up in a few days to the 8 or above where the life of the cell is short. In addition, the presence of Cs and Rb salts in the body fluids neutralizes the acid toxins leaking out of the tumor mass and renders them nontoxic." The daily dose of mineral salts is divided into three parts, and consumed during or following each meal.

    You can read Dr. Brewer's paper at www.mwt.net/~drbrewer/highpH.htm

    In the booklet High pH Cancer Therapy With Cesium (see "References" at the end of this page), Dr. Brewer writes:

    "Cesium and rubidium, along with potassium are powerful alkali electron acceptors. They enter the cancer cells in proportion to the frequency with which they strike the membrane surface. All three elements are effective in raising the cancer cell pH." - page 3

    "Potassium, rubidium, and cesium salts are very similar in their action to sodium. Their chlorides have about the same toxicity." - page 5


    Dr. Brewer found that cesium, rubidium and potassium are the alkaline minerals most readily absorbed by cancer cells. Dr. Brewer discovered that the diet of virtually cancer-free populations in certain areas of the world (Hunza Valley in Pakistan, Caucasus, Vilcabamba Valley in Equador, and the Hopi Indians of the United States) are rich in all the essential minerals such as cesium, rubidium and potassium, and that these diets are a natural High pH Therapy.

    Regarding the use of cesium as a cancer treatment, the publisher of the booklet offers the caution that "it is premature to judge the data and findings as conclusive. These early research results provide the rationale for future basic research and clinical trials."

    Also, we offer the caution that cesium and rubidium are normally TRACE minerals in the diet and that too much of a good thing can quickly become a bad thing as they may tend to displace the other alkaline minerals. Consult your medical professional if you want to supplement your diet with salts of cesium and rubidium for pain control or cancer treatment. Your medical professional can monitor the various electrolytes in your body while you are consuming the salts of cesium and/or rubidium.

    Potassium, however, is a common nutrient in fruits and vegetables and potassium salt (KCl) is widely available. Dr. Gerson used potassium when treating his cancer patients.

    It should be noted that the trace mineral cesium used by Dr. Brewer is NOT the radioactive isotope of cesium!

    A mass spectrographic analysis of cancer cells showed that the cell membrane readily attached cesium, rubidium and potassium, and transmitted these elements with their associated molecules into the cancer cell. In contrast cancer membranes did not transmit sodium, magnesium, and calcium into the cell: the amount of calcium within a cancer cell is only about 1% of that for normal cells. Potassium transports glucose into the cell. Calcium and magnesium transport oxygen into the cell. As a consequence of the above, oxygen cannot enter cancer cells so the glucose which is normally burned to carbon dioxide and water undergoes fermentation to form lactic acid within the cell. This anaerobic condition was pointed out by Warburg, as early as 1924.

    Potassium, and especially rubidium and cesium are the most basic of the elements. When they are taken up by the cancer cells they will thus raise the pH of the cells. Since they are very strong bases as compared to the weak lactic acid it is possible that the pH will be raised to values in the 8.5 to 9 range. In this range the life of the cancer cell is short, being a matter of days at the most. The dead cancer cells are then absorbed by the body fluids and eventually eliminated from the system. - Dr. Brewer, High pH Cancer Therapy With Cesium, page 5.

    Dr. Brewer describes the complementary relationship between potassium and calcium in cellular respiration when he writes, "In the normal cell the glucose, upon entering the cell, reacts with the oxygen in the cell and is burned to carbon dioxide and water with the liberation of heat. This heat in turn is absorbed on the membrane surface and raises the P=O radicals to an energized state which permits them to attach more Ca++ ions. Thus it will be seen that the amount of oxygen entering the cell is determined by oxidation within the cell, primarily that of glucose. This action is responsible for the pH control mechanism of the cell which maintains a value near 7.35." - see www.mwt.net/~drbrewer/highpH.htm

    Source: http://www.distance-healer.com/86.html







    1st Meeting of the International Society of Cancer Metabolism (ISCAM)
    5th Meeting of the International Society for Proton Dynamics in Cancer (ISPDC)
    CANCER METABOLISM: MECHANISMS, CONSEQUENCES AND THERAPEUTIC OPPORTUNITIES
    Congress center of the Slovak Academy of Sciences, Smolenice castle near Bratislava, Slovakia October 8 - 11, 2014

    Thomas Kafka: Potassium Ascorbate (KAsc): A phase I/IIa study of a novel approach to enhance buffer therapy and improve cancer cure

    Source: http://www.iscams.org/system/files_force/attachment/ISPDC&ISCAM_Program final.pdf?download=1 (PDF file with program of 2014 cancer congress in which Thomas Kafka and his KAsc cancer study is named to give a lecture) (Press Ctrl + F to search the document)





    Study: Alkaline buffering and pH regulation using Potassium Ascorbate as a novel agent to approach cancer treatment by Thomas Kafka, MD 9 July 2015:

    https://www.researchgate.net/profil...ncer_treatment/links/559e84bf08ae99dba598f727 (Word document)

    Found after Googling on this webpage: http://homeremediesforallergicreact...17/06/home-remedies-for-water-bubbles-in.html






    Chinese patent applied in 2013, granted in 2016:

    Zinc ascorbate hydrogen citrate, as well as preparation method and application thereof
    Abstract
    The invention relates to a new substance, namely zinc ascorbate hydrogen citrate, as well as a preparation method and an application thereof. The preparation method of the zinc ascorbate hydrogen citrate is characterized by comprising the following steps: (1) weighing raw materials, namely citric acid monohydrate, ascorbic acid, zinc oxide and water, and putting into a reaction kettle, wherein the weight ratio of the substances, namely the citric acid monohydrate, the ascorbic acid and the zinc oxide is 3: 1: 4; (2) starting a machine for performing chemical reaction for half an hour; (3) stopping the machine for half an hour, adding ethanol and enabling the chemical reaction to be mature; and (4) starting the machine for half an hour, and releasing the zinc ascorbate hydrogen citrate. The zinc ascorbate hydrogen citrate prepared by the preparation method provided by the invention can be dissolved in water, be conductive to absorption by people and animals, and be used as a zinc supplement Vc anti-oxidation preservative, a zinc supplement Vc food additive or medicines for treating bad appetite, dysplasia, stomach diseases, bronchitis, asthma, pneumonia, hepatitis, liver cancer and hypertension.


    [0014] Further, the section (4) further comprises the step of filtering and washing to give pure potassium ascorbate zinc citrate crystals.


    Claims (10)

    4 The preparation method of the hydrogen citrate zinc ascorbate claim, wherein said first (4) further comprises the step of filtering and washing to give pure potassium ascorbate zinc citrate crystals.

    Source: https://patents.google.com/patent/CN103739578A/en





    Too much vitamin C intake may result in the following toxicity manifestations

    • Excessive expression of Hexavalent Chromium triggered by vitamin C, which may initiate cancer-causing processes

    Source: http://www.toomuchof.com/vitamin-c/




    Interesting and informative link about the lies about ascorbate, according to the author: https://www.seanet.com/~alexs/ascorbate/misc/ascorbate-lies.htm




    Reply by skyboy on January 10, 2014 at 8:16pm


    hi, i'm Simone from italy. I have alopecia areata universale. I use potasiium ascorbate without ribosio ( the original formulation). I use potassium ascorbate to not get sick . in two years I have not had the flu, coughs, colds. is a miracle. helped me a lot for the growth of eyebrows. the benefits of potassium ascorbate have been discovered by the doctor Valsè Pantellini . In Italy there is a supplement of potassium ascorbate in this dosage : 150 mg ascorbic acid ( vitamin C ) + 300 mg of potassium bicarbonate . There are so many cancer patients are cured with this treatment . There are scientific studies that say that viruses , cancer and diseases develop in an acid system . Potassium ascorbate is alkaline and eliminates the acidity of the whole organism . Everyone knows the benefits of vitamin C to strengthen the immune system . But the vitamin C in the form of ascorbic acid is the acid is causing stomach problems. The potassium ascorbate has no side effects and allows you to take non-acidic Vitamin C that does not hurt. When I take potassium ascorbate I feel better. I sleep well , I have no stomach acid and do not get sick . Sorry for my English , I hope you understand me.


    Permalink Reply by Lisav on January 15, 2014 at 4:22am
    Hi Simone

    Thank you so much for sharing this with me. Your english is great - I am glad I do not have to reply in Italian! I will ask my Italian friend to get some potassium ascorbate to show my holistic doctor the next time we are in London and I hope my daughter will be able to take it. It is very interesting what you write about the necessity of getting the right balances in the body. I am seeing more and more links to the environment of the intestine and its affects on the immune system where auto-immune diseases are concerned. My daughter was diagnosed with leaky gut syndrome and taken off fermenting foods among other things. Since we have repaired her leaky gut and concentrated on eliminating a few other things, (a parasite and metal toxicity), she is experiencing regrowth of her hair on her head and eyebrows. Not everywhere yet but the hair she has regrown is becoming more extensive and quite long.

    Perhaps we are on to something with the Potassium Ascorbate. Let's hope so.

    I wish you luck, health and happiness

    Permalink Reply by deteks6776 on October 11, 2016 at 1:32am
    I agree. I recommended potassium ascorbate along with aged garlic to someone with cancer and heart disease. 3 montgs later they were clear of both.

    Source: https://www.alopeciaworld.com/forum...sed-this-as-a-treatment#2022678Comment1141803





    The Vitamin C Foundation forum had alot of topics about potassium ascorbate for cancer, but they were all apparently deleted, as you can see at this source: https://treato.com/Potassium+Bicarbonate,Ascorbate/?a=s




    Royal Rife page about Cesium for cancer, mentioning ascorbic acid:

    http://www.royalrife.com/cesium.html




    Italian alternative cancer treatment page with a patient with cancer inquiring about potassium ascorbate and being answered by therapist, in english:

    http://la-cura.it/espressioni/56ccbe738bf71/




    Potassium ascorbate eye drops is recognized by the FDA as a medicine and used for eye disease, see:

    https://bjo.bmj.com/content/84/1/124.2
    http://www.lloydspharmacy.com/en/potassium-ascorbate-10-eye-drops-preservative-free
    http://www.nottinghamshireformulary...SectionRef=11.99.99.99&SubSectionID=G100#2928



    I'm just gathering some information resources that can be found out there for all to analyze here, excuse me for my long drawn out post.
     
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    TreasureVibe

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    Just an overall warning as well, potassium ascorbate supplementation might be just as dangerous as any other potassium supplement like potassium bitartrate or potassium chloride, citrate etc. A dosage that is too high is very important to watch out for with potassium. You normally have to start very low on dosage. Do some research on oral potassium supplementation first, here on the forums too if you plan on trying it. If used without caution you can risk electrolytes imbalance which can lead to arrhythmia and fatal events.
     
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    I would only do the suggested dose on the bottle:

    A rounded teaspoon Of our Potassium Ascorbate into just an ounce to ½ cup of water gives you a fine tasting, effervescent Potassium Vitamin C drink containing 700 mg of potassium and 4 grams of Vitamin C. 100% pure USP, GMO free.

    By Wholesale Nutrition https://www.nutri.com/index.cfm/product/16/potassium-ascorbate.cfm

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    Product #: KASC Size: 8 oz = 227 grams Strength: 4000 mg Serving Size: 1 teaspoon

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