Possible Iron Overload

[bboone]

during a spell of mental arrest, i ingested two 100 mg pills of highly absorbable iron (fe2+) over the course of two days. i don't have any condition that would predispose me to increased iron uptake, and my iron levels have previously been fine. after reading some of the anti-iron literature spread on this forum, i'm now wondering whether it is likely that i caused any damage to myself. i haven't felt any physical side effects.

 

[Blossom]

Welcome to the forum @bboone. For the overall big picture I wouldn’t get too worried about 2 iron pills permanently impacting your health. Member @tankasnowgod seems well informed about iron so perhaps he or others will reply with more detailed information.

 

[bboone]

thank you @Blossom. i already asked him and he gave the same answer - i just wanted some more input. i was mainly wondering whether it would be worth getting a blood test, but it seems like there is no point in doing so. i assume that any problems caused by too much iron would be noticeable.

 

[Amazoniac]

during a spell of mental arrest, i ingested two 100 mg pills of highly absorbable iron (fe2+) over the course of two days. i don't have any condition that would predispose me to increased iron uptake, and my iron levels have previously been fine. after reading some of the anti-iron literature spread on this forum, i'm now wondering whether it is likely that i caused any damage to myself. i haven't felt any physical side effects.

I don't think it's a big deal.

Ferrous sulfate (which one of the communist forms) was used in the experiment below. The average absorption for your doses would be 20 mg for the first shot (continuous line) and about 15 mg for the second day (dotted line) when the body starts to adjust:

- Oral iron supplements increase hepcidin and decrease iron absorption from daily or twice-daily doses in iron-depleted young women

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They were deficient, so there's this in favor of your case. If people have on average 4000 mg of total iron in the body, and if you was one of the outliers in that group (adsorbing more than average), getting 70 mg (40+30) should not be an issue. There are extreme cases but they are rarer and you still won't have a dangerous dose given the short exposure.
Intestines that were moving fast must've helped.

Has you ever heard of a sport abbreviated as BTK? Iron overload in Bloodletting to Koilonychia athletes is rare, in case it's something that has been bothering you for a while.

- What I Eat

 

[bboone]

I don't think it's a big deal.

Ferrous sulfate (which one of the communist forms) was used in the experiment below. The average absorption for your doses would be 20 mg for the first shot (continuous line) and about 15 mg for the second day (dotted line) when the body starts to adjust:

- Oral iron supplements increase hepcidin and decrease iron absorption from daily or twice-daily doses in iron-depleted young women

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They were deficient, so there's this in favor of your case. If people have on average 4000 mg of total iron in the body, and if you was one of the outliers in that group (adsorbing more than average), getting 70 mg (40+30) should not be an issue. There are extreme cases but they are rarer and you still won't have a dangerous dose given the short exposure.
Intestines that were moving fast must've helped.

Has you ever heard of a sport abbreviated as BTK? Iron overload in Bloodletting to Koilonychia athletes is rare, in case it's something that has been bothering you for a while.

- What I Eat

thank you for the chart, this is comforting. however, i'm afraid i don't understand your last paragraph. is there a sport called btk in which the athletes rarely have iron overload?

 

[Amazoniac]

thank you for the chart, this is comforting. however, i'm afraid i don't understand your last paragraph. is there a sport called btk in which the athletes rarely have iron overload?

If you're still insecure about it, just donate blood a few times to make up for it. The advantage of such thing is that you can give others the impression that you're an altruistic person sacrificing yourself to save those that are in need. It's a bi-winning: down iron, up reputation.

 

[bboone]

If you're still insecure about it, just donate blood a few times to make up for it. The advantage of such thing is that you can give others the impression that you're an altruistic person sacrificing yourself to save those that are in need. It's a bi-winning: down iron, up reputation.

oh lol, i just reread what you wrote and it made sense now. my ferritin level was 102 last time i checked so i doubt i'll need to start giving blood

 

[Amazoniac]

oh lol, i just reread what you wrote and it made sense now. my ferritin level was 102 last time i checked so i doubt i'll need to start giving blood

For the overall big picture

There's a chance that your physical features impacted Blossom's vocabulary. Perhaps she was going for an 'In the grand scheme,' if your avatar image hadn't intimidated her brain to choose the most suitable option instead.

 

[ChristineHou]

I heard that optimal ferritin levels are 30 - 50 according to Dr Mercola and other specialists. Listen to his YouTubes
I’m going to donate today!
Good Luck

 

[Dave Clark]

Morley Robbins talks about iron, no need to take it.

 

[magnesiumania]

Too much iron definitly lead to various problems. Read the book Iron the most toxic metal by Jym Moon.

 

[Tristan Loscha]

Hi Christine,Switzerland is the first European Country which accepts Iron Deficiency Syndrome as a entity with high prevalency and impact
towards its citizen,major proportion of female ones of course.Im not a proponent of Iron as a Toxin.In the broad and deep studies that lead to the
orientation towards relief of IDS,it was learned that for freedom of disease,women need a Ferritinvalue of about 100 for resolution of fatigue,irritability,
head-shoulder pain,concentrational disorders etcetc.Iron Deficiency,not even late stage like anemia alone,is leading to brain depletion of Iron,which creates symptomatology similar to low dose neuroleptic consumption.Woman should not abstain from Iron at all,but instead use iron sucrose infusion like the swiss model mentioned here.

I heard that optimal ferritin levels are 30 - 50 according to Dr Mercola and other specialists. Listen to his YouTubes
I’m going to donate today!
Good Luck

 

[fradon]

no, not with just tow pills. if you take two pills for six months maybe but it would all get stored in your liver anyway. or get kicked out and give you some bad constipation.

 

[Maverick]

What nutrients can lower or help excrete iron without phlebotomy?

 

[magnesiumania]

What nutrients can lower or help excrete iron without phlebotomy?

IP-6. Also turmeric has a capacity to bind and chelate iron. +Apolactoferrin has an affinity for iron.

 

[Kingpinguin]

What nutrients can lower or help excrete iron without phlebotomy?

Ginko Biloba was extremly effective for me. There’s studies on it. Other than that aspirin, vitamin E and zinc also helps lower iron. Aspirin and vitamin E possibly from the blood thinning effect but I’m sure they also have some chelating potency aswell. Higher doses of vitamin E lowered my ferritin fast. So does 50mg zinc daily. There’s studies showing how zinc displaces iron on a cellular level.

 

[magnesiumania]

Ginko Biloba was extremly effective for me. There’s studies on it. Other than that aspirin, vitamin E and zinc also helps lower iron. Aspirin and vitamin E possibly from the blood thinning effect but I’m sure they also have some chelating potency aswell. Higher doses of vitamin E lowered my ferritin fast. So does 50mg zinc daily. There’s studies showing how zinc displaces iron on a cellular level.

However, high doses of zinc tend to stimulate too much Metallothionein which in turn bind up all you copper. And ceruloplasmin/copper basically drives iron metabolism.....

 

[Kingpinguin]

However, high doses of zinc tend to stimulate too much Metallothionein which in turn bind up all you copper. And ceruloplasmin/copper basically drives iron metabolism.....

You can add copper or take copper after to get your levels up. I myself took higher zinc lowered my ferritin from 120 to 50 in just 1 1/2 month. I checked my ceruloplasmin aswell and it went down aswell close to low end. After I supplemented with both copper and retinol for 2 months and my ceruloplasmin was higher than before starting zinc but my ferritin was still low end. Aspirin, vitamin E likely depletes vitamin K. Its a consequence of higher doses of a nutrient. Your point is that IP-6 does not cause other mineral deficiencies than lower iron? IP-6 that you can find in the bran of grains are notorious for binding and chelating other minerals aswell such as copper and zinc. Not being offensive just pointing out that nutrients deplete other nutrients and good you brought it up so that people are aware of these things. High Vitamin D crashes magnesium and actually it also lowers vit A and ceruloplasmin aswell. The list goes on. But yeah good point

 

[magnesiumania]

How was you serum copper+iron? If copper is high in the blood its artificially elevated ceruloplasmin that indicate inflammation.

 

[Kingpinguin]

How was you serum copper+iron? If copper is high in the blood its artificially elevated ceruloplasmin that indicate inflammation.

My serum copper and iron was in reference range. Slightly above middle if I remember correctly. CRP was normal not indicating inflammation aswell.