Pizza, Pasta, Tacos And Burgers - All The Same Food

[Derek]

post 111849 Call it philosophizing about food or talking about it either way you're doing something that most of your friends or family would think is "pointless."

I was able to help a lot of my friends/family with health issues, by giving them similar advice that I gave in those quotes that you posted. So no I don't think it was pointless to them.

 

[YuraCZ]

post 111851 These are great meals for a bodybuilder provided the ingredients are decent quality. For a sedentary person it will eventually lead to insulin resistance, but in that case you can easily make low-fat versions of these that are still tasty.

Tasty? Maybe but low fat can't satisfy your hunger or at least my.. I just don't get these extremes. Low fat or low carb. WTF... Low carb is bull**** everybody here knows that. But low fat (I'm talking about 10% or less) is bull**** also. Insulin all over the place, blood sugar crashes when you are active and don't have carbs in intervals. I just can eat low fat meals all day long and Im still hungry although stomach is full and sick because of this.. But when I have nice solid meal. For example jasmine rice with chicken breast, some veggies and some fat(10-15 g of butter or tbsp of EVOO for example) then I'm satisfied, hunger is gone and I can do whatever next couple of hours without hypoglycemia etc.. I think there is gigantic difference between this meal and fast food- fried pufas oils with wheat flour, sugar, chemicals etc..) Those foods are tasty hands down, but after that I will feel like ***t..

 

[Such_Saturation]

pretty great

 

[Agent207]

these 4 common foods are all the same ingredients, and they are also largely responsible for fat gain, because that is what most people eat, in the west at least, on a daily basis.

Mmmm... irrational food habits and eating disorders are largely responsible for fat gain, not these foods. Having these foods from time to time does not led to fat gain on healthy people. Even more, there's healthy homemade pizza recipes which can be good eaten more often on a rich and varied diet context.

 

[Brian]

Tasty? Maybe but low fat can't satisfy your hunger or at least my.. I just don't get these extremes. Low fat or low carb. WTF... Low carb is bull**** everybody here knows that. But low fat (I'm talking about 10% or less) is bull**** also. Insulin all over the place, blood sugar crashes when you are active and don't have carbs in intervals. I just can eat low fat meals all day long and Im still hungry although stomach is full and sick because of this.. But when I have nice solid meal. For example jasmine rice with chicken breast, some veggies and some fat(10-15 g of butter or tbsp of EVOO for example) then I'm satisfied, hunger is gone and I can do whatever next couple of hours without hypoglycemia etc.. I think there is gigantic difference between this meal and fast food- fried pufas oils with wheat flour, sugar, chemicals etc..) Those foods are tasty hands down, but after that I will feel like s***..

I don't currently eat 10% fat or less, but in the past I've felt extremely good on 10-30 grams per day. I think it depends on how well you are metabolizing the carbs. If you are thiamine and magnesium deficient for example you'll get much less energy from a high carb diet and feel horrible with dry skin and a bad mood. But when carbs fully oxidize it can give very steady energy and well-being for 4 hours or more. It feels like I'm taking a very effective stress hormone reducing drug, but with no negative side effects.

Since gaining some muscle and losing fat I usually eat well over 10% fat with similar results. If you can get your carbs to oxidize I think less than 30 grams fat per day can be a very effective fat loss/metabolism boosting diet.

 

[johnwester130]

Peat-ing is all about reductionism.

Salt
fat
sugar

That's all you need.

 

[Agent207]

post 111887 Peat-ing is all about reductionism.

Peat is not. Some so called "peaters" are. Most of the bad press Peat has out there is very heavily influenced by some interpretations people read at this forum of his work. Fortunately there are open minded people too that doesn't fall on this reductionism of "apporved or not approved" thing, and considering other theories and reliable sources of research.

 

[Such_Saturation]

we must feel guilty for trying to interpret thy Writings

 

[Agent207]

post 111899 we must feel guilty for trying to interpret thy Writings

Of course not. But for rejecting other plausible interpretations, theories when well founded. Thats what Pead did after all, cuestioning everything around. Im sure lots of medicals and researchers laughed at him at sometime, now you can see the brilliance of most of his work. But this is far to be the end of the road...

 

[Amazoniac]

Westside, the master of youtube, a walking library basically. You pull videos from teenagers, right after high carb vegans, then an academic lecture on biochemistry of body fat accumulation and to close some short and random mockery video, those that go viral.

 

[goodandevil]

I'd like to see a soft taco with tomato sauce on top be called a pizza

Ive had something like that once, was horrible.

 

[XPlus]

All these foods, if prepared the traditional way, could be a lot less problematic than commercialisation made them to be.

There's a world of difference between traditionally made dough, cheese and tomato sauce, and the junk from a typical restaurant and supermarkets. Fresh quality meat vs garbage.
Even something like aioli and mayo could be made with better ingredients (e.g. free range eggs, olive oil, coconut oil).

 

[milk_lover]

All these foods, if prepared the traditional way, could be a lot less problematic than commercialisation made them to be.

There's a world of difference between traditionally made dough, cheese and tomato sauce, and the junk from a typical restaurant and supermarkets. Fresh quality meat vs garbage.
Even something like aioli and mayo could be made with better ingredients (e.g. free range eggs, olive oil, coconut oil).

This!
Also if you're forced to eat at a restaurant, and you really want to eat let's say a pizza, take a pill of vitamin E for PUFA mitigation. Later that night before you sleep maybe eat a carrot or two and/or drink cascara sargada powder dissolved in water for starch-induced endotoxin. We can use "Peat-approved tools" to help us deal with food "challenges" we face sometimes.

Speaking of pizza, I was at the mall at 11am, so I had the chance to ask the guy working at Pizza Hut what kind of oil they use in their pizza crust. He said SOYA oil! His crazy reasoning is that soya can withstand the hot temperatures of the oven For every bread at those restaurants there is some type of vegetable oil involved! Insane.

 

[johnwester130]

traditional sourdough bread has no oil, and is just flour, water, salt

obviously the gluten may be a problem and phytic acid.

nixtamalised corn has the pufa removed and phytic acid reduced too

If we wanted real change in society, we would replace all fat with butter/coconut oil.
Replace grains with gluten free fermented ones.

And start feeding cattle just grass and coconut oil.

 

[milk_lover]

post 111917 If we wanted real change in society, we would replace all fat with butter/coconut oil.

I've always wondered how I can convince my society to let go of the dear PUFA oils. They are used in every corner of my country! I had a friend from high school whom I called a week ago. He works at an equivalent of FDA in my country. I told him about the dangers of PUFA and our people will be better off without them. He just laughed and took the matter casually and proceeded to change the topic.. ok.. we talked for another 30 minutes.. I brought the topic again. I can be persistent sometimes. he laughed it off AGAIN lool and said he is just a low-level worker who has no control. Ok he is right and I totally understand but he might be a good starting point for something big and good. I will keep harassing him and see where this leads us..

Vegetable oils are darn cheap, so they are naturally very good options for the restaurant owners, who are either greedy people who don't care about people's healths or ignorant about the damaging effects of PUFA. Maybe my friend and the equivalent FDA can't ban vegetable oils from the market, but we can search good alternatives and solutions such as making healthy oils like butter and coconut oils more cooking friendly for mass consumption. Heck I don't mind adding some enzymes or chemicals in them to make them cheaper (more volume from small original volume) and less viscous to resemble vegetable oils because that's the texture of oil those restaurants are used to. These along with media awareness campaign blasting the masses in radio, TV, street signs, everywhere with the dangers of PUFA. The campaigns can be easily funded for government bodies.

 

[tara]

@milk_lover
Was there much PUFA in the traditional diet in your parts a hundred years ago?

I've noticed some local commercial baked goods being made with palm oil. I think the solid/saturated fats have some qualities that make them work better than the liquid seed oils - probably because they are more stable. Beef tallow does quite well at temperatures used for deep frying, and a few places round here still use that.
I know people are used to using liquid oils, but solid fats are not usually any more difficult to work with for cooking or baking. Only salad oil is easier liquid, and having just a little olive oil now and then, but skipping the other liquid oils, would probably be a big improvement for many.

I have a vision of the seed oils being moved to the pharmacy and paint shops/departments. :) Possibly by prescription in the pharmacy, only to be issued to people with transplants or implants or others overriding needs to suppress immunity.

 

[milk_lover]

post 112111 Was there much PUFA in the traditional diet in your parts a hundred years ago?

No never. We have no plants to start with in this desert We've only used ghee and tallow as our main oils. The oils unfortunately came from the West.

 

[milk_lover]

post 112111 I've noticed some local commercial baked goods being made with palm oil. I think the solid/saturated fats have some qualities that make them work better than the liquid seed oils - probably because they are more stable. Beef tallow does quite well at temperatures used for deep frying, and a few places round here still use that.
I know people are used to using liquid oils, but solid fats are not usually any more difficult to work with for cooking or baking. Only salad oil is easier liquid, and having just a little olive oil now and then, but skipping the other liquid oils, would probably be a big improvement for many.

I have a vision of the seed oils being moved to the pharmacy and paint shops/departments. Possibly by prescription in the pharmacy, only to be issued to people with transplants or implants or others overriding needs to suppress immunity.

I am still not sure about palm oil to be honest. I've seen it in commercial products like potato chips and some arabic desserts like kunafa here in my country, but Peat once classified them as unsaturated but in another said they have anti-inflammatory agents.
The problem is that most of our restaurants have indian chefs, they are very good at what they do, but they cherish vegetable oils. I think because they are "vegetarian" options, it opens up their market to more people including many vegetarian indian population in our country. But I am almost 100% sure the main reason is the costs.
I like your vision

 

[tara]

post 112127 The problem is that most of our restaurants have indian chefs, they are very good at what they do, but they cherish vegetable oils. I think because they are "vegetarian" options, it opens up their market to more people including many vegetarian indian population in our country. But I am almost 100% sure the main reason is the costs.

I was talking to an Indian guy recently and asked if he would usually use ghee in cooking, and he said no, because oil is much cheaper.
I'm sure the public demand for seed oils over ghee would also be a factor in the restaurants etc. - vegans for the vege dishes, and people convinced by the anti-sat fat message for all dishes.

 

[tara]

post 112127 I am still not sure about palm oil to be honest. I've seen it in commercial products like potato chips and some arabic desserts like kunafa here in my country, but Peat once classified them as unsaturated but in another said they have anti-inflammatory agents.

I'm not sure that it's ideal either, but I was guessing it would be more saturated and therefore preferable to the canola etc. Coconut oil would be nice, but that is expensive round here, so I expect it will only get used for small scale expensive speciality goods. Occasional things get baked with butter. I've found shortbread and croissants that I get for the kids sometimes.