Phosphate Supplementation Prevents A Decrease Of Triiodothyronine And Increases Resting Metabolic Ra

[paymanz]

Very much opposite to what ray says!

Phosphate supplementation prevents a decrease of triiodothyronine and increases resting metabolic rate during low energy diet. - PubMed - NCBI

Abstract
Thirty overweight women participated in 8 week slimming program consisting of a self-controlled low-energy diet (4.2 MJ/day) supplemented with highly viscous fibres and mineral tablets containing calcium, potassium and sodium phosphates (Redusan Combi, Biokraft Pharma AB, Sweden). Half of the patients received in double blind manner mineral tablets during first 4 weeks and placebo (without phosphates) during next 4 weeks (group 1) while the remaining patients were treated (cross-over) with placebo first and mineral tablets in the final period (group 2). The rate of weight loss was similar in groups 1 and 2 (4.7 vs 5.2 kg during the first 4 weeks and 2.7 vs 3.0 kg in the further 4 weeks). During periods of phosphate supplementation, the resting metabolic rate (RMR) increased by approx. 12% (p < 0.05) in group 1 and 19% (p < 0.05) in group 2. Phosphate supplementation ameliorated also a decrease in plasma triiodothyronine level and a decrease in thyroxine to triiodothyronine ratio. There were no differences between groups in the plasma insulin, catecholamine, growth hormone, cortisol and testosterone levels. Phosphate supplementation did not affect plasma lipids or blood glucose concentration. It is concluded that phosphate supplementation in obese patients on a low-energy diet enhances RMR irrespectively of the rate of weight loss. This effect seems to be, at least partly, due to an influence of phosphates on peripheral metabolism of thyroid hormones.

 

[shan.alexander_]

Phosphate isn't demonized by Ray, just that it should be in a 1:1 ratio with calcium, and calcium should also have a 1:1 ratio with magnesium. From my understanding, more phosphate is good, so long as the calcium is there to balance it. Without the calcium, the excess phosphate may activate PTH and Prolactin production, which if done chronically can erode teeth and bones, among other issues.

 

[Dr. B]

Phosphate isn't demonized by Ray, just that it should be in a 1:1 ratio with calcium, and calcium should also have a 1:1 ratio with magnesium. From my understanding, more phosphate is good, so long as the calcium is there to balance it. Without the calcium, the excess phosphate may activate PTH and Prolactin production, which if done chronically can erode teeth and bones, among other issues.

did Ray say magnesium should be 1:1 with calcium?
i thought he has said calcium should be as high relative to phosphate as we can get, ideally 2:1. 2:1 is the ratio found in things like cow bones and shark cartilage. milk is a little lower, i think its like 1.3 or 1.5 calcium per 1 phosphorus.
magnesium 1:1 with calcium is nigh impossible unless you supplement huge doses of magnesium. a half gallon milk will give you like 2500mg calcium and only around 250mg or 300mg magnesium