whodathunkit
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Peatowski, yep, I'm a turp fan now, for sure! Thank you so much for the rec! It's definitely easier to do than garlic, although I plan to do garlic occasionally for those benefits, too.
Hyperlipid: Fats and absorbing endotoxin
when we cut the fat the endotoxin quits circulating and just goes straight to the liver. Make sense to me, since we can further speculate that this could cause some detox symptoms if the liver is already overloaded or compromised in some way. Read the post and all the comments...short, but very relevant to many of us here.
Another interesting article about fat and endotoxin here
A high-fat meal induces low-grade endotoxemia: evidence of a novel mechanism of postprandial inflammation
In this one they're specifically looking for a connection between inflammation provoked by endotoxin and CAD, but still relevant.
@KellyP also needs to look at this one
High Fat Intake Leads to Acute Postprandial Exposure to Circulating Endotoxin in Type 2 Diabetic Subjects | Diabetes Care
Really interesting for us hyperglycemic folks. Seems we have a nastier bacteria burden than normal peeps, which may be why diabetes can run in families (shared bacteria) and why fat, especially PUFA, causes such a spike in our blood sugar. I've heard that in the past but just now starting to begin to start connecting the dots. Could also explain why blood sugar goes down on VLF...the endotoxin gets put into the liver for excretion, so it's not circulating and causing the kind of inflammation necessary for super-high blood sugar.
I dunno. I'm starting to freewheel myself into realms I know NOTHING about, so will now shut my mouth before I remove all doubt about whether or not I'm stupid.
Anyway, I'm feeling much better today. I've felt pretty crappy since last Thursday since I started turpentine but seems like maybe I've turned a corner. Hopefully. I'm thanking turpentine for the upswing. :) And charcoal. And humifulvate. And MCP. Anything that's mopping up endotoxin for me.
I've also been high-dosing thiamine (1000mg+ per day) and being consistent with T3 + a little whole thyroid at night. I don't plan to stay with high dose thiamine forever but suspect I've had a deficiency for a long while so will stick with it for some months or until it seems to give me problems.
Also been taking vitamin E and vitamin A. Haidut's Mitolipin product might be helping, too.
Incidentally, my blood sugar's gone down a bit without decreasing the fat content. I had quite a bit of fat last night for supper, and it was only in the 100's this morning. Normally after a fatty meal it's 10 clicks higher than it was this morning. That's not been the case the past couple mornings.
Reportedly thiamine can help with blood sugar if you're deficient.
So, anyway, I'm going to try to start up with VLF again tomorrow, see how that goes. Hopefully due to turp I have less endotoxin for the liver to process and can avoid some of the mood sides from VLF. We'll see.
@thebigpeatowski, I assume you've seen this link...?
TURPENTINE--HEALER COMPLETE
Crazy site, just an interesting read.
Yes, I agree multi-factorial but IMO probably more to do with endotoxin. I think possibly VLF does something to exacerbate endotoxin so maybe the symptoms get blamed on PUFA release, but it's really mostly endotoxin. And something to do with cholesterol. Seems like fat increases circulating endotoxin through some mechanisms, probably several mechanisms. So maybe when the dietary fat is withdrawn, especially PUFA fat, the endotoxin stops circulating and just settles. Or, as Hyperlipid speculates in the last comment to this post hereDo you think the brain fog is due to hypothyroidism? Or endotoxin? Or PUFA release? Or particular foods? Or all of the above?
Seems to be multi-factorial for me....so, all of the above in my situation.
Hyperlipid: Fats and absorbing endotoxin
when we cut the fat the endotoxin quits circulating and just goes straight to the liver. Make sense to me, since we can further speculate that this could cause some detox symptoms if the liver is already overloaded or compromised in some way. Read the post and all the comments...short, but very relevant to many of us here.
Another interesting article about fat and endotoxin here
A high-fat meal induces low-grade endotoxemia: evidence of a novel mechanism of postprandial inflammation
In this one they're specifically looking for a connection between inflammation provoked by endotoxin and CAD, but still relevant.
@KellyP also needs to look at this one
High Fat Intake Leads to Acute Postprandial Exposure to Circulating Endotoxin in Type 2 Diabetic Subjects | Diabetes Care
Really interesting for us hyperglycemic folks. Seems we have a nastier bacteria burden than normal peeps, which may be why diabetes can run in families (shared bacteria) and why fat, especially PUFA, causes such a spike in our blood sugar. I've heard that in the past but just now starting to begin to start connecting the dots. Could also explain why blood sugar goes down on VLF...the endotoxin gets put into the liver for excretion, so it's not circulating and causing the kind of inflammation necessary for super-high blood sugar.
I dunno. I'm starting to freewheel myself into realms I know NOTHING about, so will now shut my mouth before I remove all doubt about whether or not I'm stupid.
Anyway, I'm feeling much better today. I've felt pretty crappy since last Thursday since I started turpentine but seems like maybe I've turned a corner. Hopefully. I'm thanking turpentine for the upswing. :) And charcoal. And humifulvate. And MCP. Anything that's mopping up endotoxin for me.
I've also been high-dosing thiamine (1000mg+ per day) and being consistent with T3 + a little whole thyroid at night. I don't plan to stay with high dose thiamine forever but suspect I've had a deficiency for a long while so will stick with it for some months or until it seems to give me problems.
Also been taking vitamin E and vitamin A. Haidut's Mitolipin product might be helping, too.
Incidentally, my blood sugar's gone down a bit without decreasing the fat content. I had quite a bit of fat last night for supper, and it was only in the 100's this morning. Normally after a fatty meal it's 10 clicks higher than it was this morning. That's not been the case the past couple mornings.
Reportedly thiamine can help with blood sugar if you're deficient.
So, anyway, I'm going to try to start up with VLF again tomorrow, see how that goes. Hopefully due to turp I have less endotoxin for the liver to process and can avoid some of the mood sides from VLF. We'll see.
@thebigpeatowski, I assume you've seen this link...?
TURPENTINE--HEALER COMPLETE
Crazy site, just an interesting read.