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Peatish Eyedrops

Discussion in 'Eyes, Ears, Nose and Headaches/Migraines' started by LeeLemonoil, Nov 17, 2016.

  1. LeeLemonoil

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    Now and then I use eyedrops to comfort dry or strained eyes when sitting in front of a computer for long hours.
    Since reasonabyl, effective formulated drops are rather expensive, epsecially those without preservatives, I use to make the mysel, simply by taking sterile NaCl 0,9% injection soulution and 2% Ectoin + 0,3% Hyakuronic acid - both substances can be obtained for much lower prices that what you pay for in ready made drops.

    Since Salicylic acid is also used in standard eyedrops, Usually in conc. of 1mg/ml, I thought mixing a "peaty" sort of eye-drop.

    In additon to Sailcylic acid, coffeine seems to be a very promising agent for eyedrops:
    Caffeine eye drops protect against UV-B cataract
    Could Caffeine Help Dry Eye?

    potentially protective agianst UV-radiation and dryness.

    Also, instead of NaCl 0,9% I figured using a 0,9% solution of Magnesiumchloride. Mg seems to be an important mineral especially for corneal health, as is indicated also in this thread by Ella and Haidut:
    https://raypeatforum.com/community/...vents-neurological-diseases.4700/#post-185466

    Any thoughts on this? I'll probably let you know how they "feel" to the eye.
     
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    Dug this thread out a longecity. Two patenst for eye drop-formulation intended to treat dryness and corneal problems.
    Taurine features in both formulas prominently .... A "peaty" approach to eyedrops seems very promising

    Magnesium eye drops? - Supplements
     
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    On the dry eye zone forums, people from Australia loved a certain eyedrop produced there, which is based on Manuka honey. I used to get good results from Dwelle, that has long been discontinued. Dr. Holly had formulated them, but since he died, they never kept it up. But people have been concocting their own honey-eye-drops and feeling relief. Mind you, it stings (at first), but so did Dwelle.

    There's also Japanese JINS glasses. Both computer glasses, and humidifying ones with built-in mini water bottles. As for caffeine, it helps to just put warm tea bags against your closed lids, and to alternate moist-warm towelettes and moist-cold-towelettes against closed lids. I also smear avocado butter on lids, or light oils such as apricot oil. Also a tiny dab of white tiger-balm on either side of nose (not too close to eyes) might offer some cool relief for inflammation.
     
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    Has anyone tried purchased or homemade trehalose eye drops? Care to share your impressions? Have you noticed any improvements in cataracts?
     
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    LeeLemonoil

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    Some eyedrops designed to give "shiny, white" eyes contain Methylene Blue at dosages of 0,2mg per ml.
    It's purpotedly in to enhance blue eyes, but maybe there is more to it.
    So it seems MB is a safe agent for applying onto the eyes, at least at that doses.
     
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    Watching with interest. Thanks for the info. I've put together the 0.9% saline + not too accurately measured as I lack the equipment, but very small quantities bicarb, aspirin, honey, diluting with saline till absolutely no stinging, and find them helpful. Especially on adding the honey. It's been a few weeks. I'm interested in considering taurine and b3. Aim being to treat dry eyes and high IOP along with oral supps. No retesting done yet, but comfort has improved.
     
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    LeeLemonoil

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    Thanks, will update and add some experiences soon too.
     
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    I was surprised that a simple pair of wraparound glasses seems to have removed my need for eyedrops (for dry eye).
     
  9. Ella

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    Yes MB perfectly safe for KC corneas. Also try the honey, I have seen amazing results with it. I think straight sugar syrup will have same result if you are game. I would do corneal topography of before and after to satisfy yourself of the changes. If you can get away with the contact lenses then stick with glasses. I know it is not possible for many.

    As per SQu suggestion B3 orally :)
     
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    Can you elaborate on this? Are you having an eye doctor look for improvements each year? I thought it was interesting that mine could see damage from having worn RGP contacts, but I never thought of going the other way, looking for improvements.
     
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    Cool thread. I'd like to try out MB eye drops - the only time I ever need them is from (seemingly) dehydration effects of cannabis. Drinking water doesn't seem to help for some reason, even if proactively. I don't think the MB in eye drop solution would have to be so concentrated though - perhaps .01mg per drop? What is honey supposed to do to eyes on contact - think it is safe from encouraging infections?
     
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    Standard bulb or eyedropper bottles usualy give off 20-30 drops per ml. So if you use the suggested quantity of 0.2mg per ml you'd get ~0.01mg/drop.
    Dryness in eyes is not much a water-issue/hydration. Lipids and glycans keep moussier on the Surface, if they are low or impaired, Walter will evaporate too quickly
     
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    Interesting - what kind of issue is it, and what do you think is the best way to treat it when cannabis is causing it?
     
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    My hunch is that some components in Mary Jane widen cappilaries and set free transmitters like histamine, resulting in a signaling-cascade that reduce synthesis in the lipid glands of the eye. Hay fever inflammated eyes are also dry. Maybe blinking rate is also reduced after smoking without one realizing it?
     
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    Blinking doesn't decrease for me... But I've heard about the possibility of it increasing histamines. I don't mean to hijack this thread - I'll make another to see how to reduce THC's (supposed) ability to increase histamines.
     
  17. Ella

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    Just to clear, it really does my head the way people are so willing to experiment on themselves. Your eyes are the most precious, precious of tissues. It would be easier to lose a limb than your eyes, so please respect.

    I don't want people to think MB is without complications. Please be mindful as MB may react in ways not anticipated. MB is a photosensitiser. Photosentsitisers are used in the cornea to crosslink collagen fibres. This may be beneficial in the cornea in making it more rigid but you will lose the ability to adjust your vision from distance to near. This is not a good thing. Your vision will be set in stone and your prescription will not be able to be adjusted.

    People that wear contacts have no idea what is breeding on them on the surface of their corneas. If you don't mind sacrificing your contacts - RGP are too expensive to wreck!! But if you have an old prescription you no longer use, you could experiment with these. MB could be used on them in keeping them scrupulously clean of fungal species and other nasties.

    Yes RGP is the cause for damage and much more. They are the biggest irritant sitting on your corneas exhausting their energy and nutrient requirements.

    Placing honey on the cornea is by far the superior option or just plain sugar syrup, saline, reduce contact lens wear or do away with them completely if you are able - not an option for many. Far from sugar being a breeder of pathogens it does the opposite. Think about the reason we used sugar to preserve foods. A jar of honey or marmalade can sit FOREVER and not become contaminated.

    It is one thing to use MB on intact healthy corneas, however, if you wear contacts RGP or even soft lenses, you could have ulcers or tears and god knows what else. If you wear contacts you do not have healthy corneas, period.

    The cornea is devoid of a blood supply. The cornea depends on nourishment from tears, mucin and fluids the bathe its surface. A good diet will make healthy tears and fluids. Contacts are a barrier to their nourishment. Milk can also supply nutrients for the cornea, such a lactoferrin and much more. I would source good quality milk - breastmilk if you can get. I would also be sure to be drinking milk for corneal health. A healthy mucin layer is mandatory to help prevent dryness and a barrier to pathogens.

    Topical treatment with breastmilk: randomised trials

    6 Surprising Natural Uses For Breast Milk

    Yes if you are undertaking an experimental protocol you want a topography of the cornea before and after. Keep the scan for your files. I would be most interested if anyone decides to take up my suggestion of honey or syrup or breastmilk for that matter. It is important that you find safe option when dealing with irritations.

    If you are wearing contacts, be extremely careful with any hormones you are supplementing. I would suggest a hormonal panel like the DUTCH test along with the topograpy scans.

    Many people wearing contacts, have changes in the corneal surface and infection and on HRT never make the connection. The same goes for drops in the eye, ointments, antibiotics, steriodal medications. I will elaborate further as time permits.

    The best insurance is eating a wholefoods based diet. Balanced immune and hormonal system.

    B3 - niacinamide is required for coenzymes for many dehydrogenase enzymes.

    Eating liver balance with shellfish is the best insurance policy.

    Make sure thyroid function and liver function is optimised and strictly no PUFAs

    Proper hydration.

    The cornea suffers under- airconditioned environment. for those who suffer from allergies, then filtered air and look at your cortisol metabolites. DUTCH TEST.

    Before resorting to MB try the other options first. Remember "First Do No Harm". What may be safe for one person may not be safe for another. The honey, syrup, milk and B3, there is less likely chance of causing harm. It is one thing to experiment with your fish; fish don't have to rely on earning a living to survive, they have you to provide everything they need. We are not so fortunate. We are expected to perform to survive. Protect your precious assets.
     
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    Solution - stop the cannabis. If cornea feels dry, then it is causing harm. Water will not fix the problem. Hydration = water + electrolytes!!! You are better off drinking milk and placing milk on the cornea to soothe and provide nourishment.

    I will post some info as time permits and perhaps you are now starting to see the link to KC.
     
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    Thanks Ella! When my husband got one high IOP reading and was immediately rushed towards a specialist the first thing I did was postpone the appointment and read up extensively in the optometrist literature on the kinds of things and procedures he might end up being prescribed because I believe in managing docs and prescriptions. I was really horrified to read what the initially innocuous sounding eyedrops were likely to be based on: adrenergics, beta blockers and prostaglandins! for starters. And their preservatives. Reading on the dry eye zone site (he has dry eyes too) revealed a lot of people dealing with the fallout of some common "harmless" procedures they only found out later often have serious or very uncomfortable side effects. Including the long term use of the eyedrops just mentioned. Making the most cavalier of experimenters, those who prescribe them.

    As an aside, I noticed that many on that dry eye zone site said they have ocular rosacea. So we have a Peat article to read on that. My husband has a long standing pterygium which I'm hoping to improve as part of all this.

    So I think the best way is to look after your health, take it up a notch. Which we're doing again now.

    My husband drinks lot of milk and I might pare the occasional eye drops I make for him down to saline plus honey as the honey has had the most soothing results. Testing dry season ahead, very dry dusty air starting soon, till October.
    I personally hated contacts, itchy and irritating, gave them up. Glad I did now.
     
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    Thanks as well, Ella. I'll look into honey-based drops.
     
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