Peat Vegetable Quote

[Westside PUFAs]

"These sort of traditional ideas about the acid base balance of food, they usually lead to a pretty good diet. For example, the Indian diet - fruit, vegetables and milk and cheese. That's a good example of the alkaline residue diet. And so I don't have any disagreement with the dietary recommendations to eat lots of milk and cheese and fruit and vegetables."-RP

 

[raypeatclips]

When I went "full Peat" I.e ditching most vegetables apart from a daily carrot, I got strange digestive issues, a pain in my lower right abdominal side, intermittent constipation and diarrhea. I got the diagnosis of IBS from my doctor and was referred to a consultant for bowel issues.

All my problems mentioned above have resolved from eating more vegetables.

 

[cyclops]

Makes me wonder why he ever wrote that article badmouthing veggies in the first place.

 

[biffbelvin]

Makes me wonder why he ever wrote that article badmouthing veggies in the first place.

The point that I got from the article is that vegetables are not necessarily harmless and in some contexts could be harmful.

I wouldn't blend a pound of raw kale every day and drink it. But excluding vegetables completely is unnecesary for most.

 

[tara]

Makes me wonder why he ever wrote that article badmouthing veggies in the first place.

You mean the one where he talks about people getting problems if they try to live long-term primarily on folliage (or seeds) and that some of the stronger cullinary herbs could be treated with more caution because of their defensive components, and some people took that to mean they should never let a vegetable pass their lips?

 

[cyclops]

You mean the one where he talks about people getting problems if they try to live long-term primarily on folliage (or seeds) and that some of the stronger cullinary herbs could be treated with more caution because of their defensive components, and some people took that to mean they should never let a vegetable pass their lips?

I think were talking about the same one; it's the one where he says avocados can cause cancer.

 

[jitsmonkey]

Makes me wonder why he ever wrote that article badmouthing veggies in the first place.

Timing could be a factor
that interview was 6 years ago
I've seen people freak out that he change his opinion from something he said FORTY years ago.
I don't know when he wrote the article you're referring to
but I read his views on vegetables as non-essential meaning you could get by without them if you had to and not to be regarded without caution
meaning that just because they're plants, natural, etc doesn't mean all of them are safe and or desirable.
I didn't read his comments as "do not ever eat vegetables"

 

[tara]

I think were talking about the same one; it's the one where he says avocados can cause cancer.

Vegetables, etc.—Who Defines Food?

I don't see a problem with Peat bad-mouthing vegetables. I see a problem with reading comprehension magnified by propagation via members who haven't read the source.

 

[cyclops]

I don't see a problem with Peat bad-mouthing vegetables. I see a problem with reading comprehension magnified by propagation via members who haven't read the source.

I read it. I took it as if someone is eating an optimal diet, there is really no need to include leafy and cruciferous vegetables. Peat himself doesn't seem to eat vegetables. But after my own experimentation and eating what Peat would seem to think is an optimal diet, I still like to include vegetables.

I eat cooked vegetables about once a day, I'd be surprised it Peat ate them once a month (or year). I wonder how often he eats them? I don't know how he does it. I feel there is something in well cooked vegetables that is good for me, that I'm not getting somewhere else. I think well cooked greens and cruciferous veggies are a good addition to diet to include often. Peat doesn't seem to feel that way.

 

[jitsmonkey]

I read it. I took it as if someone is eating an optimal diet, there is really no need to include leafy and cruciferous vegetables. Peat himself doesn't seem to eat vegetables. But after my own experimentation and eating what Peat would seem to think is an optimal diet, I still like to include vegetables.

I eat cooked vegetables about once a day, I'd be surprised it Peat ate them once a month (or year). I wonder how often he eats them? I don't know how he does it. I feel there is something in well cooked vegetables that is good for me, that I'm not getting somewhere else. I think well cooked greens and cruciferous are a good addition to diet to include often. Peat doesn't seem to feel that way.

I hate vegetables as a general rule.
Rarely eat them except for when someone else has prepared my food.
I feel better with out them. I enjoy my food better without them.
And everyone who likes them should eat them as needed/desired.

 

[cyclops]

I hate vegetables as a general rule.
Rarely eat them except for when someone else has prepared my food.
I feel better with out them. I enjoy my food better without them.
And everyone who likes them should eat them as needed/desired.

Yea, I can't argue with that. I go through phases where I eat them more often then other times, but I always include them in some form, even if its just broth (which I know ray peat supports), but when I first read that article I took it as vegetables are best to be avoided, now I see it as eat them as much as you desire.

 

[tara]

I read it. I took it as if someone is eating an optimal diet, there is really no need to include leafy and cruciferous vegetables. Peat himself doesn't seem to eat vegetables. But after my own experimentation and eating what Peat would seem to think is an optimal diet, I still like to include vegetables.

I eat cooked vegetables about once a day, I'd be surprised it Peat ate them once a month (or year). I wonder how often he eats them? I don't know how he does it. I feel there is something in well cooked vegetables that is good for me, that I'm not getting somewhere else. I think well cooked greens and cruciferous veggies are a good addition to diet to include often. Peat doesn't seem to feel that way.

I eat some green vegetables most days too, sometimes cruciferous like broccoli etc. I definitely feel better for eating them than not. I use green herbs sometimes, too. Reading that article, it countered my long held assumptions that the more the better, and especially that the more raw veges the better.

At one stage I read up on ad experiment for a while with adding some green smoothies to my diet. The experts in that area also warn of the toxins in leafy greens. They reckon you can handle quite a bit, and mitigate the risks by not overdoing some of the stronger ones, and that one should rotate so as not to keep eating the same ones every day. I like the idea of rotating greens, and any less-than-perfect foods, so the body gets a break from the down sides of the specific stressful components of each them.

As to Peat, he does eat things that some people would call vegetables, like turnips etc (he mentions turnips specifically in the Q and A thread), and maybe other roots and fruit veges. Not sure if this is well-founded, but I had the impression that he would eat modest amounts of various vegetables, including sometimes greens, as condiments because they taste good, but not in large quantities.

 

[ddjd]

I thought Indians worship cows as gods. Do they still drink their milk?

 

[oldfriend]

I thought Indians worship cows as gods. Do they still drink their milk?

Have you not ever eaten Indian food!?

 

[tara]

I thought Indians worship cows as gods. Do they still drink their milk?

I had the impression that long Indian culture honoured cattle for the environmental services they provide in improving soil quality etc as well as providing milk. They have been worth a lot to communities alive.

 

[oldfriend]

I had the impression that long Indian culture honoured cattle for the environmental services they provide in improving soil quality etc as well as providing milk. They have been worth a lot to communities alive.

To answer the question directly, yes Indian cuisine includes generous amounts of dairy. I used to love eating Indian food, and crave it all the time. Unfortunately Indian restaurants here use vegetable oil in everything.

 

[tara]

Unfortunately Indian restaurants here use vegetable oil in everything.

Here too, unfortunately. I think it is commonly the case in India too in recent decades too - displacing the more traditional ghee with cheap convenient liquid seed oils.

 

[oldfriend]

Here too, unfortunately. I think it is commonly the case in India too in recent decades too - displacing the more traditional ghee with cheap convenient liquid seed oils.

Most likely true for all restaurants everywhere. I can't wait for the day when 'No vegetable oils' is a trend in the food industry. Wishful thinking?

 

[tara]

Most likely true for all restaurants everywhere. I can't wait for the day when 'No vegetable oils' is a trend in the food industry. Wishful thinking?

I guess it could start with one or two specialised restaurants or cafes in the some of the larger cities, for someone keen. But maybe they already exist in some places. Maybe in France?

 

[shine]

I had the impression that long Indian culture honoured cattle for the environmental services they provide in improving soil quality etc as well as providing milk. They have been worth a lot to communities alive.

They worship them for the psilocybin mushrooms that grow on cow patties. They are holy because their ***t can get you in contact with God.