Peagan Diet (Vegan Peat Inspired Diet Log)

[X3CyO]

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Thanks for all the information @Travis.

Now if only there was a way to get the polyunsaturates out of soy.. or to assure the milk we get were from non pregnant cows. Locals seems like the best option for those that wanna keep the habit.

Whats your protein source?
Im assuming theres no milk alternative in your diet?

Date milk is looking like a good alternative at the moment.. but low in protein and high in cost.

 

[X3CyO]

@Travis

Do you factor in keto acids as well?
Cant find much about it personally, and dont really know much about em tbh.

 

[X3CyO]

4 weeks in again

its suprising to find that 9 months have already flown by since I ended this experiment and to be quite honest it sucked vegan or not.

As of 4 weeks ago ive resumed my experiment but have changed a good amount of what im doing differently.

Ive been doing this with a lot less thought and feel a hell of a lot better eating a starch based diet with as much veg and fruit as possible.

No added sugar or oils.
2mg vit e per 1g of pufa in the least.
whole foods, no supplements, no coffee. atleast for now.
eating wheat again as well as beans and lentils.


So far ive been waking up with energy, a growing predisposition to go to sleep at 8-10, and energy after eating and slightly improved vision.

I also noticed that when i did try to drink espresso again after not for 5ish weeks or so, I could still drink 7 shots and take a gram of aspirin and not get anxiety.

 

[X3CyO]

Noticing a difference in body smell for the better, and when I sweat a lot and the sweat dries, no acne! Face has dried up decently and started with a bit of acne but has quickly been getting a lot better.

Before, I used to have to shower right after every sweat for fear of acne but now... nothing. Atleast in the couple cases that this happened.


Just recently started adding back in sodium aspirinate and coffee. Gonna work on aspirin tolerance oncemore.

Speaking of aspirin, It must be more k1 from veg but I dont get tinnitus or bloody noses anymore.

K2 didnt help personally. Gelatin used to though.

Reacting the aspirin with hot water and baking soda definitely is a game changer.

 

[michael94]

Do you ever eat seitan?

 

[DaveFoster]

@X3CyO

Mixing baking soda with plain water, and then rinsing the teeth immediately after consuming sugar can protect the teeth.

 

[X3CyO]

If mushrooms are grown on factory shelves in the dark they may not have any vitamin D.

However it was discovered that if you give them a single high dose of ultraviolet radiation on their way to the shops then they will generate vitamin D, so some farmers do this.

If you grow your own then put them outside during the day to get some free vitamin D!

The Recommended Daily Intakes may not have been worked out based on a diet of 5 cups of processed crystallized sucrose a day!

Eg. You may need much more than the 100% DV of potassium suggested on cron-o-meter.

Some deficiencies can take years to become apparent, but with your diet it may appear sooner!

Let us know if you discover a new disease from your experiment!

Then again, it could be healthier than the standard diet they give lab rats!

Yeah! I put all my mushrooms out in the sun and dry them now for when I cant get enough sun.

As for a sugar induced deficiency or disease, it was crazy.

The first two weeks were fine but afterwards if I missed my multivitamin I started to get memory problems, social anxiety, had to sleep in longer, and my addiction to the internet and my phone became worse. Performance in college classes at the time were still in the A range though.


The memory problem was definitely a weird issue though. At the time, my long term memory was shot but short term memory was great. I couldn't remember making any of my posts on here, but definitely can now. It was kind of like my older experinces with depersonalization in a way.

 

[X3CyO]

Do you ever eat seitan?

Havent tried it.

@X3CyO

Mixing baking soda with plain water, and then rinsing the teeth immediately after consuming sugar can protect the teeth.

Im doing a no brushing experiment rn and no sugar other than fruit.
Just eating a big salad before bed tends to clean my teeth proficiently.

baking soda is great for rinsing tho I agree.

 

[X3CyO]

I think I need to change the title of this thread. Its kinda stupid.

Anyways. Its been around 2 months and I'm taking a break from my experiment once again, and I've decided to regress back to my old diet and lifestyle where Mufa is king, and I haven't cut out Pufa completely.

As much as it goes against what I've learned, I don't think I've learned it all well enough, but I can listen to my body.






Since "depleting pufa" (which I haven't gotten bloodwork for mind you) Ive noticed the same effects as I once had on my sugar diet. In fact it was similar results as to when I was on my very strict MUFA diet as well and cut out pufa completely too (Except I was manic, not forgetful).

Overall Ive followed everything the same with the only fluctuating variations including multivitamin supplementation for a few months, and then just eating nutrient dense foods for a few months and switching between etc.




Some things I've personally noticed included a loss of strength, and a very dull dissociative feeling. Its not the same as when I had actual depersonalization years ago, but it's very light and spacey in comparison. I gained problems with a lack of motivation (Once more) like how I once was on a very high fat diet.

Since changing my fat ratio to something akin to palm oil (Vitamin e equal to or more than pufa too) Ive noticed my strength coming back, and my motivation to workout rather than sit around. My muscles are starting to puff up again, and when I wake up, I get a mild stress response that helps keep me out of bed.



I also got my hunger back. Im not sure why though. Ive had issues with that for many years before from when I was eating high PUFA and was a total loser too.




I think Pufa although its bad should be treated hormetically and I still believe that SFA>MUFA>PUFA. (I think this has something to do with vitamin e and c, and the fact that I have a low stress lifestyle in general already. Im gonna look into it when I have time)

In conclusion Im going to just see how this works out and report back at a later time.














Oh also a recap on the vegan experiment ala peat.

I noticed similar issues as I had before on my interpretation of a "regular peat diet;" Liver, Beef, Gelatin, Potatoes, Coconut oil, No fat milk, Orange juice concentrate, espresso/coffee, the occasional Kale or collard or spinach, maybe a red bull here and there with some coca cola (HFCS version).

I never tried adding back in pufa with vitamin e in the kind of ratio Im at now during the experiment and was using coconut oil everyday.

Maybe Ill try it later but i'm busy atm.

 

[X3CyO]

I'm kind of considering this post more to be like a note to my past self so if someone searches and finds this post they too can fix the problem if they aren't sure what it is caused by.

It's probably gut blockage.

Not constipation, but blockage up inside the gut slowing down the whole process. You might have normal (probably delayed) bowel movements the entire time too, but increased emotionality and loss of feelings of self-worth. (Serotonin)

I've noticed that undercooked/non soaked grains can cause this phenomenon as well as old rice/potatoes. Even reheating doesn't fix this issue. Dry starches essentially. Milk can also cause this if rushing into it and not drinking milk for a while prior.

Just recently its due to buckwheat (didn't soak and cook sufficiently). I did notice this problem starting up when eating a lot of oats prior to using soaking and pressure cooking but stopped when I ran out. Also bread. Particularly subway causes this problem.
I think this could also be tied into phytic acid to an extent as well as binders/gums.

If you get a lack of hunger, try focusing on increasing peristalsis. A pretty general recommendation on the website, but one that also I didn't really absorb.

This can also affect sleep. I've also had a long time problem of sleeping in too much on days off and noticed a correlation with these foods and requiring longer sleeping times for a few days after.






Also started drinking black coffee a few months ago. The main thing that can ruin the coffee is using boiling water. Other than that its great. Definitely not as good cold though.

 

[EIRE24]

I'm kind of considering this post more to be like a note to my past self so if someone searches and finds this post they too can fix the problem if they aren't sure what it is caused by.

It's probably gut blockage.

Not constipation, but blockage up inside the gut slowing down the whole process. You might have normal (probably delayed) bowel movements the entire time too, but increased emotionality and loss of feelings of self-worth. (Serotonin)

I've noticed that undercooked/non soaked grains can cause this phenomenon as well as old rice/potatoes. Even reheating doesn't fix this issue. Dry starches essentially. Milk can also cause this if rushing into it and not drinking milk for a while prior.

Just recently its due to buckwheat (didn't soak and cook sufficiently). I did notice this problem starting up when eating a lot of oats prior to using soaking and pressure cooking but stopped when I ran out. Also bread. Particularly subway causes this problem.
I think this could also be tied into phytic acid to an extent as well as binders/gums.

If you get a lack of hunger, try focusing on increasing peristalsis. A pretty general recommendation on the website, but one that also I didn't really absorb.

This can also affect sleep. I've also had a long time problem of sleeping in too much on days off and noticed a correlation with these foods and requiring longer sleeping times for a few days after.






Also started drinking black coffee a few months ago. The main thing that can ruin the coffee is using boiling water. Other than that its great. Definitely not as good cold though.

I am having awful stomach problems lately and it feels like gut blockage or something up with my liver or pancreas? The only thing I have changed has been an increase in meat but I have started taking HCL and pepsin to combat this and still get the acid relux, gerd, vomiting and nausea. I'm thinking now could it be h pylori or an ulcer? I'm hoping it isn't pancreatic damage as I'm not sure that's reversible

 

[X3CyO]

Did you have these problems before peat?

Why the hcl and pepsin?

Whats your chronometer look like and are you taking any extra supplements

 

[X3CyO]

Note to self after drinking coffee:
If a problem starts to appear much harder than you remember it was or should be, proceed to pound carbohydrates.

 

[X3CyO]

Also just started wearing suspenders instead of belts and ive definitely noticed a lot less gas and indigestion. I think im gonna completely go over to them as of now. Makes my pants feel like theyre flying .

 

[raypeatclips]

Also just started wearing suspenders instead of belts and ive definitely noticed a lot less gas and indigestion. I think im gonna completely go over to them as of now. Makes my pants feel like theyre flying .

Interesting you mention belts. I recently had a conversation with one of my friends that said he had appendicitis like symptoms once (excruciating pain in lower abdomen) which was caused by wearing a belt that was too tight for him at work all day, I think he also mentioned gas too.

 

[X3CyO]

Also im kind of ashamed of this but I am also very happy about my really good progress.


Since I was first exposed to porn at a very, very young age I've had a very hard time quitting. I never thought I had a problem until the past few years where I realized that even though everyone else was doing it and usually more than me... its just wasted so much of my damn time. Binges going into the night at times and then into the morning, proceeding to then sleep in, and then.. the next day is wasted. And my sleep schedule is once more perpetually ****88 up. Which I also think plays a major role in my procrastination, but that's just a hypothesis.

I've also had bouts of dealing with a lack of hunger, and forcing myself to eat since a very young age as well, and I think this all stems to more effective peristalsis due to coffee, and complete elimination vs partial.


Ever since adding coffee back into my diet recently, removed from milk and sugar, and placed at the end of meals, I've been using the bathroom 3 times or so a day, and another interesting thing that's been happening is that instead of being pulled towards porn im more likely to just look at clothed beautiful women online for short periods of time. Even naked photos are not really sexual to me anymore.. but I prefer clothed photos just in case. There's something motivational about it. I think this goes back to studies where monkeys would pay to see higher status monkeys and would raise their hormones etc.

Porn has gotten much more disgusting to me too for some reason and I can't really put my finger on it exactly, but I think its all interconnected.

My libido has also remained the same, however, I've noticed a slowly increasing ability to just decide against sex with a partner too. Before it used to kind of drive me crazy when I was with somebody and they just weren't feeling up for it, I still bust a move, but otherwise things don't have to work out for me to be happy.


My new little trick is that when I feel like an overwhelming urge, Ill think about if its really my d*ck or just my stomach talking. Its always starting from my stomach I've noticed! Then ill go, and then im fine.



Ive also become a lot more organized. Something Ive had a tough battle with for a long time... and it feels good. Almost addicting to put things where they should be, and to have them ready for their next use. Its relaxing. Its like a gift you give to your future self.

I still have issues with sleeping in though, but recently Ive been able to get to sleep at normal times, and I think now its just a waiting game till things reset to how they should be.


Im still eating shitty food when im not at home, but things are still working out fine. Maybe if I made all my food instead I wouldnt have to rely on coffee... but Idk. It tastes really good now! (I dont burn it anymore.) I think ill hold onto coffee for a while now.

Currently im using a Sowden soft brew. Ill drink coffee all day, and then when 5PM hits I try to switch over to decaf.. sometimes I can't resist though and end up staying up a little late after cause the caffeinated cup tastes and smells so good.

also another personal thing ive noticed is that a cigarette paired with coffee seems to cut the edge off the coffee if stimulating, and makes me really warm and relaxed if Ive ate enough prior. Not tired, but I feel like it helps run the caffiene out of my system, and really amps up the laxative effect if you haven't gone for a while.

 

[X3CyO]

Skyflakes and figs

 

[X3CyO]

Weird phenomenon Ive noticed since smoking hestia vs commercial tobacco, is that the body of the cigarettes are really light, even with the filter off and packed.

Also

Just smoked some american spirits, and after the effects wore off, wow, ive had really bad anger problems, and its on a consistant basis in comparison. It could also be the freebase nicotine or some kind of additive, but just wanted to put that out there if someone else noticed this effect.

Emotional.

Sometimes low blood sugar from coffee causes something mildly similar, but its more like slight irritability.

 

[X3CyO]

Another phenomenon noted;

Inhalation of cigarette tobacco leads to more sedated feeling whereas using a technique which instead keeps it retained in the upper respiratory system provides a stimulating effect.


Also;
Coffee and chocolate mixed with fruit juice is just great. Probably because they are both seeds, and usually surrounded by a fruit pulp. I'm curious what cacao fruit (wine as well), and coffee berries taste like. Have to try them sometime.

 

[X3CyO]

I don't think I'll ever eat fried rice again.

Used day old rice, and I have some of the worst brain fog I've ever had for a long time.