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Pathologist Found Blood Clots In ‘almost Every Organ’ During Autopsies On COVID-19 Patients

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Some patients are known to develop blood clotting issues, but the degree and the extent to which that occurs was described as “dramatic” by Rapkiewicz.

In the early stages of the pandemic, bedside clinicians noticed a lot of blood clotting “in lines and various large vessels,” she said.

“What we saw at autopsy was sort of an extension of that,” she said. “The clotting was not only in the large vessels but also in the smaller vessels.

“And this was dramatic, because though we might have expected it in the lungs, we found it in almost every organ that we looked at in our autopsy study,” she said. Rapkiewicz’s study outlining her findings was published at the end of June in The Lancet journal EClinicalMedicine.

Pathologist found blood clots in 'almost every organ' during autopsies on Covid-19 patients


Ya'll acting like this virus is not a big deal.... this sounds like a good thing to avoid.....
 

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I think the general thinking here is that most people don't have covid, even if you test positive, because the tests are unreliable. Most just have some random virus. Even these clots aren't caused by covid, but some underlying health issue that popped up because of a random virus. Of course some people could have covid, but it's just like every other virus.

These are my observations and not my thoughts.
 
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Some patients are known to develop blood clotting issues, but the degree and the extent to which that occurs was described as “dramatic” by Rapkiewicz.

In the early stages of the pandemic, bedside clinicians noticed a lot of blood clotting “in lines and various large vessels,” she said.

“What we saw at autopsy was sort of an extension of that,” she said. “The clotting was not only in the large vessels but also in the smaller vessels.

“And this was dramatic, because though we might have expected it in the lungs, we found it in almost every organ that we looked at in our autopsy study,” she said. Rapkiewicz’s study outlining her findings was published at the end of June in The Lancet journal EClinicalMedicine.

Pathologist found blood clots in 'almost every organ' during autopsies on Covid-19 patients


Ya'll acting like this virus is not a big deal.... this sounds like a good thing to avoid.....
So what?
What's the meaning of this?
Does it make a difference if one died with clots or without? If died without clots, does it make him a better corpse, or what?

Also, does this pathologist mention something about what other diseases those people suffered?
 

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So what?
What's the meaning of this?
Does it make a difference if one died with clots or without? If died without clots, does it make him a better corpse, or what?

Also, does this pathologist mention something about what other diseases those people suffered?
I think the message is pretty easy to understand: "people with covid get clots in their organs."
 

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Blood clots, serotonin and COVID-19

After listening to Dr. Peat's last interview on One Radio Network, I started to wonder about the affects of high serotonin in relation to the symptoms of COVID-19.

First, let's talk about serotonin.
-95% of serotonin is produced in the gut. When you are stressed, you produce MORE estrogen, cortisol AND SEROTONIN, not less. Diarrhea, nausea, vomiting, migraines, anxiety, and sweating are all related to excess serotonin.
-Serotonin is NOT the happy hormone you have been lead to believe. Increasing serotonin CAN increase gut motility, this alone can make someone "feel" better.
-Estrogen can promote serotonin. Serotonin can promote estrogen. Both can promote cortisol.
-Serotonin can activate all the system of the body that promote cortisol--pituitary, adrenals, and brain.
-Starvation and diabetes can increase serotonin in the brain
-On the microscopic level, stress, serotonin, and cortisol cause changes in cell structure,
-Learned helplessness and serotonin are strongly correlated.

When the gut is irritated by stress (bacteria, endotoxin, fibrous foods, chemicals, drugs, alcohol, crappy thinking, and/or corona viruses), serotonin production increases. The lungs are the main detoxifier of serotonin. When the lungs are damaged (which can happen with age, pollution, respiratory illness, or even a heater that is run all day long), detoxification decreases. When this happens, serotonin can build up in the blood, leading to serotonin toxicity or serotonin syndrome. One common symptom of serotonin syndrome is blood clotting...

Here are the other symptoms of excess serotonin:

Early stages
-Diarrhea
-Nausea
-Sweating
-Anxiety
-Fever

Serotonin syndrome complications include:

-Seizures
-Decreased Oxygen in the blood--lower O2 saturation
-Small blood clots in your bloodstream
-Muscle damage called rhabdomyolysis
-High acid levels called metabolic acidosis
-Kidney failure
-Elevated D-Dimer
-Fluid in the lungs, called acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS)
-Cardiovascular disease

Hmmm, these complications look VERY familiar.
Hint:CV-19

Essentially, the more stress you place upon the body, the more serotonin will be produced. If you add in lung issues, you may have a BIG problem. Serotonin syndrome can also occur from medications that increase serotonin levels, these include most antidepressants (SSRI's, SNRI's, MAOI's) pain meds. (opioids), and recreational drugs (cocaine, MDMA) plus the cough medicine dextromethorphan.

I asked Dr. Peat about the serotonin-blood clot-CV connection: here is his response:

"The coronas, like polio, have a strong tendency to grow on the intestine (also heart, lungs, blood vessels), and the (or any) inflammation in the bowel releases large amounts of serotonin, histamine, and endotoxin into the blood, adding to any lung problem from direct infection.

The angiotensin system increases estrogen, prostaglandins, nitric oxide and other inflammation mediators, so many anti inflammatory things help with this virus. Before big stringy, plugging clots form, the thin fibrin film that always coats red blood cells and the inside of capillaries begins getting thicker as the equilibrium between forming and dissolving the fibrin film shifts toward faster forming, and oxygenation of tissues lags behind deoxygenation of blood cells.

Lactic acid formation in response to hypoxia and stress signals adds to the inflammation of the lungs, causing them to take up water even if they aren’t infected."

-Dr. Ray Peat

Unfortunately, serotonin syndrome is not well recognized by most physicians. Normally, SS is diagnosed when a patient has consumed substances that have increased serotonin. Not, when they have a virus.

Of course, this is all speculation on my part. I am not saying HIGH serotonin is the entire problem in COVID-19 patients, BUT it COULD be part of the problem, and worth checking out--especially considering a drug with anti-serotonin properties is showing promise in treating COVID-19 patients.

"Famotidine (aka Pepcid AC) Use is Associated with Improved Clinical Outcomes in Hospitalized COVID-19 Patients".
"Conclusion: Famotidine use is associated with reduced risk of intubation or death in hospitalized COVID-19 patients."

https://www.medrxiv.org/conte…/10.1101/2020.05.01.20086694v2

*The current article is a pre-print, so has not been peer-reviewed, yet, it does show promise as a possible treatment for COVID-19 patients.

Interesting huh?

Want to know what else can reduce serotonin levels?

-Decreasing digestive distress. Eat easy to digest foods. Remove hard to digest foods like nuts, seeds, beans, and raw leafy vegetables.
-Eat a raw carrot salad every day
-Use coconut oil
-Remove/reduce the polyunsaturated fats
-Remove/reduce estrogenic foods and substances: soy, birth control, ERT, HRT, alcohol, etc.

Also, here are a list of other supplements that can help reduce serotonin

Cyproheptidine
Aspirin
Cascara sagrada
Amino acid theanine
Niacinimide
Thyroid

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2650964/

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releas…/2020/…/200515131909.htm

https://nvic.nl/sites/nvic.nl/files/pdf/review_19.pdf

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/281645#1

https://artcamp.com.mx/EZINES/30OpeningEyes/2/serotonin.htm

*Disclaimer: This article is for educational purposes only. I am not a doctor and am not suggesting that anyone stop their medications. Please talk to your doctor before getting off ANY medications.
 

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Ya'll acting like this virus is not a big deal.... this sounds like a good thing to avoid.....

Who knew that being on average 80 years old with multiple morbidities, becoming violently ill tied to a bed mechanically ventilated for weeks without moving could result in blod clots:

Deep vein thrombosis during prolonged mechanical ventilation despite prophylaxis. - PubMed - NCBI
"The occurrence of DVT [Deep Vein Thrombosis] is common among patients requiring prolonged mechanical ventilation in the intensive care unit setting despite the use of prophylaxis measures."

Venous thromboembolism in the ICU: main characteristics, diagnosis and thromboprophylaxis

Pulmonary embolism in the mechanically ventilated critically ill patient



If you are really scared of catching this virus, better become a hikkikomori and never get out of the house again, because viruses (and coronaviruses too) have always been around and will always be around:

Tissue Distribution of ACE2 Protein, the Functional Receptor for SARS Coronavirus. A First Step in Understanding SARS Pathogenesis - PubMed

https://vascular.org/news-advocacy/jvs-report-swine-flu-and-respiratory-distress-linked-blood-clots

Pandemic H1N1 Influenza Infection and Vascular Thrombosis


As Peat said: Nothing special is going on this year.

Except a big fearmongering campaign.
 
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Blood clots, serotonin and COVID-19

After listening to Dr. Peat's last interview on One Radio Network, I started to wonder about the affects of high serotonin in relation to the symptoms of COVID-19.

First, let's talk about serotonin.
-95% of serotonin is produced in the gut. When you are stressed, you produce MORE estrogen, cortisol AND SEROTONIN, not less. Diarrhea, nausea, vomiting, migraines, anxiety, and sweating are all related to excess serotonin.
-Serotonin is NOT the happy hormone you have been lead to believe. Increasing serotonin CAN increase gut motility, this alone can make someone "feel" better.
-Estrogen can promote serotonin. Serotonin can promote estrogen. Both can promote cortisol.
-Serotonin can activate all the system of the body that promote cortisol--pituitary, adrenals, and brain.
-Starvation and diabetes can increase serotonin in the brain
-On the microscopic level, stress, serotonin, and cortisol cause changes in cell structure,
-Learned helplessness and serotonin are strongly correlated.

When the gut is irritated by stress (bacteria, endotoxin, fibrous foods, chemicals, drugs, alcohol, crappy thinking, and/or corona viruses), serotonin production increases. The lungs are the main detoxifier of serotonin. When the lungs are damaged (which can happen with age, pollution, respiratory illness, or even a heater that is run all day long), detoxification decreases. When this happens, serotonin can build up in the blood, leading to serotonin toxicity or serotonin syndrome. One common symptom of serotonin syndrome is blood clotting...

Here are the other symptoms of excess serotonin:

Early stages
-Diarrhea
-Nausea
-Sweating
-Anxiety
-Fever

Serotonin syndrome complications include:

-Seizures
-Decreased Oxygen in the blood--lower O2 saturation
-Small blood clots in your bloodstream
-Muscle damage called rhabdomyolysis
-High acid levels called metabolic acidosis
-Kidney failure
-Elevated D-Dimer
-Fluid in the lungs, called acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS)
-Cardiovascular disease

Hmmm, these complications look VERY familiar.
Hint:CV-19

Essentially, the more stress you place upon the body, the more serotonin will be produced. If you add in lung issues, you may have a BIG problem. Serotonin syndrome can also occur from medications that increase serotonin levels, these include most antidepressants (SSRI's, SNRI's, MAOI's) pain meds. (opioids), and recreational drugs (cocaine, MDMA) plus the cough medicine dextromethorphan.

I asked Dr. Peat about the serotonin-blood clot-CV connection: here is his response:

"The coronas, like polio, have a strong tendency to grow on the intestine (also heart, lungs, blood vessels), and the (or any) inflammation in the bowel releases large amounts of serotonin, histamine, and endotoxin into the blood, adding to any lung problem from direct infection.

The angiotensin system increases estrogen, prostaglandins, nitric oxide and other inflammation mediators, so many anti inflammatory things help with this virus. Before big stringy, plugging clots form, the thin fibrin film that always coats red blood cells and the inside of capillaries begins getting thicker as the equilibrium between forming and dissolving the fibrin film shifts toward faster forming, and oxygenation of tissues lags behind deoxygenation of blood cells.

Lactic acid formation in response to hypoxia and stress signals adds to the inflammation of the lungs, causing them to take up water even if they aren’t infected."

-Dr. Ray Peat

Unfortunately, serotonin syndrome is not well recognized by most physicians. Normally, SS is diagnosed when a patient has consumed substances that have increased serotonin. Not, when they have a virus.

Of course, this is all speculation on my part. I am not saying HIGH serotonin is the entire problem in COVID-19 patients, BUT it COULD be part of the problem, and worth checking out--especially considering a drug with anti-serotonin properties is showing promise in treating COVID-19 patients.

"Famotidine (aka Pepcid AC) Use is Associated with Improved Clinical Outcomes in Hospitalized COVID-19 Patients".
"Conclusion: Famotidine use is associated with reduced risk of intubation or death in hospitalized COVID-19 patients."

https://www.medrxiv.org/conte…/10.1101/2020.05.01.20086694v2

*The current article is a pre-print, so has not been peer-reviewed, yet, it does show promise as a possible treatment for COVID-19 patients.

Interesting huh?

Want to know what else can reduce serotonin levels?

-Decreasing digestive distress. Eat easy to digest foods. Remove hard to digest foods like nuts, seeds, beans, and raw leafy vegetables.
-Eat a raw carrot salad every day
-Use coconut oil
-Remove/reduce the polyunsaturated fats
-Remove/reduce estrogenic foods and substances: soy, birth control, ERT, HRT, alcohol, etc.

Also, here are a list of other supplements that can help reduce serotonin

Cyproheptidine
Aspirin
Cascara sagrada
Amino acid theanine
Niacinimide
Thyroid

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2650964/

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releas…/2020/…/200515131909.htm

https://nvic.nl/sites/nvic.nl/files/pdf/review_19.pdf

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/281645#1

https://artcamp.com.mx/EZINES/30OpeningEyes/2/serotonin.htm

*Disclaimer: This article is for educational purposes only. I am not a doctor and am not suggesting that anyone stop their medications. Please talk to your doctor before getting off ANY medications.
:darts: Thanks for your contributions...
 

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Blood clots, serotonin and COVID-19

After listening to Dr. Peat's last interview on One Radio Network, I started to wonder about the affects of high serotonin in relation to the symptoms of COVID-19.

First, let's talk about serotonin.
-95% of serotonin is produced in the gut. When you are stressed, you produce MORE estrogen, cortisol AND SEROTONIN, not less. Diarrhea, nausea, vomiting, migraines, anxiety, and sweating are all related to excess serotonin.
-Serotonin is NOT the happy hormone you have been lead to believe. Increasing serotonin CAN increase gut motility, this alone can make someone "feel" better.
-Estrogen can promote serotonin. Serotonin can promote estrogen. Both can promote cortisol.
-Serotonin can activate all the system of the body that promote cortisol--pituitary, adrenals, and brain.
-Starvation and diabetes can increase serotonin in the brain
-On the microscopic level, stress, serotonin, and cortisol cause changes in cell structure,
-Learned helplessness and serotonin are strongly correlated.

When the gut is irritated by stress (bacteria, endotoxin, fibrous foods, chemicals, drugs, alcohol, crappy thinking, and/or corona viruses), serotonin production increases. The lungs are the main detoxifier of serotonin. When the lungs are damaged (which can happen with age, pollution, respiratory illness, or even a heater that is run all day long), detoxification decreases. When this happens, serotonin can build up in the blood, leading to serotonin toxicity or serotonin syndrome. One common symptom of serotonin syndrome is blood clotting...

Here are the other symptoms of excess serotonin:

Early stages
-Diarrhea
-Nausea
-Sweating
-Anxiety
-Fever

Serotonin syndrome complications include:

-Seizures
-Decreased Oxygen in the blood--lower O2 saturation
-Small blood clots in your bloodstream
-Muscle damage called rhabdomyolysis
-High acid levels called metabolic acidosis
-Kidney failure
-Elevated D-Dimer
-Fluid in the lungs, called acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS)
-Cardiovascular disease

Hmmm, these complications look VERY familiar.
Hint:CV-19

Essentially, the more stress you place upon the body, the more serotonin will be produced. If you add in lung issues, you may have a BIG problem. Serotonin syndrome can also occur from medications that increase serotonin levels, these include most antidepressants (SSRI's, SNRI's, MAOI's) pain meds. (opioids), and recreational drugs (cocaine, MDMA) plus the cough medicine dextromethorphan.

I asked Dr. Peat about the serotonin-blood clot-CV connection: here is his response:

"The coronas, like polio, have a strong tendency to grow on the intestine (also heart, lungs, blood vessels), and the (or any) inflammation in the bowel releases large amounts of serotonin, histamine, and endotoxin into the blood, adding to any lung problem from direct infection.

The angiotensin system increases estrogen, prostaglandins, nitric oxide and other inflammation mediators, so many anti inflammatory things help with this virus. Before big stringy, plugging clots form, the thin fibrin film that always coats red blood cells and the inside of capillaries begins getting thicker as the equilibrium between forming and dissolving the fibrin film shifts toward faster forming, and oxygenation of tissues lags behind deoxygenation of blood cells.

Lactic acid formation in response to hypoxia and stress signals adds to the inflammation of the lungs, causing them to take up water even if they aren’t infected."

-Dr. Ray Peat

Unfortunately, serotonin syndrome is not well recognized by most physicians. Normally, SS is diagnosed when a patient has consumed substances that have increased serotonin. Not, when they have a virus.

Of course, this is all speculation on my part. I am not saying HIGH serotonin is the entire problem in COVID-19 patients, BUT it COULD be part of the problem, and worth checking out--especially considering a drug with anti-serotonin properties is showing promise in treating COVID-19 patients.

"Famotidine (aka Pepcid AC) Use is Associated with Improved Clinical Outcomes in Hospitalized COVID-19 Patients".
"Conclusion: Famotidine use is associated with reduced risk of intubation or death in hospitalized COVID-19 patients."

https://www.medrxiv.org/conte…/10.1101/2020.05.01.20086694v2

*The current article is a pre-print, so has not been peer-reviewed, yet, it does show promise as a possible treatment for COVID-19 patients.

Interesting huh?

Want to know what else can reduce serotonin levels?

-Decreasing digestive distress. Eat easy to digest foods. Remove hard to digest foods like nuts, seeds, beans, and raw leafy vegetables.
-Eat a raw carrot salad every day
-Use coconut oil
-Remove/reduce the polyunsaturated fats
-Remove/reduce estrogenic foods and substances: soy, birth control, ERT, HRT, alcohol, etc.

Also, here are a list of other supplements that can help reduce serotonin

Cyproheptidine
Aspirin
Cascara sagrada
Amino acid theanine
Niacinimide
Thyroid

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/2650964/

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releas…/2020/…/200515131909.htm

https://nvic.nl/sites/nvic.nl/files/pdf/review_19.pdf

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/releases/281645#1

https://artcamp.com.mx/EZINES/30OpeningEyes/2/serotonin.htm

*Disclaimer: This article is for educational purposes only. I am not a doctor and am not suggesting that anyone stop their medications. Please talk to your doctor before getting off ANY medications.

agreed.. there are for sure pre existing conditions that contribute to it being worse on some people than others... it doesn't mean that it is not a huge hazard... it's like saying cancer is not a big deal.. because cancer is actually a problem with your metabolism and you have excess serotonin and estrogen, so cancer is really not a problem guys..
 

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Some patients are known to develop blood clotting issues, but the degree and the extent to which that occurs was described as “dramatic” by Rapkiewicz.

In the early stages of the pandemic, bedside clinicians noticed a lot of blood clotting “in lines and various large vessels,” she said.

“What we saw at autopsy was sort of an extension of that,” she said. “The clotting was not only in the large vessels but also in the smaller vessels.

“And this was dramatic, because though we might have expected it in the lungs, we found it in almost every organ that we looked at in our autopsy study,” she said. Rapkiewicz’s study outlining her findings was published at the end of June in The Lancet journal EClinicalMedicine.

Pathologist found blood clots in 'almost every organ' during autopsies on Covid-19 patients


Ya'll acting like this virus is not a big deal.... this sounds like a good thing to avoid.....

Doesn't prove anything. You don't need a "virus" to explain blood clotting. Being sedentary for an extreme amount of time can cause that. Gee, wonder if there were any orders issued by any authorities issued around that time telling people to "Stay At Home....."
 

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it's like saying cancer is not a big deal.. .

Insane analogy. Cancer is estimated to kill about 10 Million people, every year. Year after year. About 5 million people in 2020 alone.

COVID, on the other hand, has only been "involved" with 500,000 deaths this year. 10% of the cancer figure, and those deaths aren't necessarily due to COVID. So, over the past decade, 100 Million deaths from Cancer, and 500,000 associated with COVID. Terrible analogy.

Causes of Death
 

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Insane analogy. Cancer is estimated to kill about 10 Million people, every year. Year after year. About 5 million people in 2020 alone.

COVID, on the other hand, has only been "involved" with 500,000 deaths this year. 10% of the cancer figure, and those deaths aren't necessarily due to COVID. So, over the past decade, 100 Million deaths from Cancer, and 500,000 associated with COVID. Terrible analogy.

Causes of Death


Only 500k people, with a lockdown going on and everyone wearing masks everywhere... only 500k lol, for real? Only 500k? Thats so many people, yall trippin..
 

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6 in 10 americans have at least one chronic disease, anyone who says "this virus is only dangerous if you have a pre existing condition" is casually ignoring the majority of Americans have a pre existing condition, making it a decently serious virus IMO, but of course the focus on the virus and not the poor health of the population is the wrong lens to look at it with
 

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@boris Did RP really say that, in those words?
He said it in an interview. I think it was with Patrick Timpone. He meant that the fatality rate in COVID was no different from that of flu. And flu has been around last year, the year before etc.
 

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Only 500k people, with a lockdown going on and everyone wearing masks everywhere... only 500k lol, for real? Only 500k? Thats so many people, yall trippin..

500,000 world wide over six months is within estimates for Seasonal Flu. Those numbers range from 300,000 to 650,000 (over six months), coming from the WHO and CDC. Another respiratory disease, Tuberculous, is estimated to kill anywhere from 1 Million to 1.5 Million every year.

All cause mortality, for the US and the World, is about where it is expected to be every year.

Lockdowns and Mask Laws are an EXPERIMENT. You can't cite me one example in prior to 2020 in history where they have been tried on a group of a million or more people for a month or more. The death toll from the Lockdowns (especially long term effects like food shortages) is likely to be staggering.

And again, not a SINGLE one of those deaths is proven to be DUE TO COVID. They are only deaths WITH COVID.

You have absolutely no idea of context. 56 Million people die every year due to all causes, so 500,000 is a number that fits easily within that estimate.
 

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500,000 world wide over six months is within estimates for Seasonal Flu. Those numbers range from 300,000 to 650,000 (over six months), coming from the WHO and CDC. Another respiratory disease, Tuberculous, is estimated to kill anywhere from 1 Million to 1.5 Million every year.

All cause mortality, for the US and the World, is about where it is expected to be every year.

Lockdowns and Mask Laws are an EXPERIMENT. You can't cite me one example in prior to 2020 in history where they have been tried on a group of a million or more people for a month or more. The death toll from the Lockdowns (especially long term effects like food shortages) is likely to be staggering.

And again, not a SINGLE one of those deaths is proven to be DUE TO COVID. They are only deaths WITH COVID.

You have absolutely no idea of context. 56 Million people die every year due to all causes, so 500,000 is a number that fits easily within that estimate.

they are pretty obviously due to covid... if you want to get into conspiracy theories, that is not what i am talking about... im thinking on my own, just because ray says something doesnt mean you have to agree with it. i agree the virus isn't a big deal IF YOU ARE HEALTHY, unfortunately this isn't the case with most people, and you can say that about pretty much every metabolic related disease, you won't get it... if you are healthy.. ya diabetes isnt a big deal.. if you are healthy... how can you say someone died from cancer, just becuase they had cancer... you can go in circles with this. anyway, it's pretty clear if someone can't breathe and they are hooked up to an oxygen machine and they happen to test positive for covid, i don't know how you explain that, if you aren't getting oxygen in your blood and you can't breathe, that is pretty similar to what would happen if you have blood clots in your whole body

6 in 10 americans have at least one chronic disease, anyone who says "this virus is only dangerous if you have a pre existing condition" is casually ignoring the majority of Americans have a pre existing condition, making it a decently serious virus IMO, but of course the focus on the virus and not the poor health of the population is the wrong lens to look at it with

yes this is exactly what i am thinking


overall, who cares just wear the mask it helps to stop transmission, obviously it is blocking particles leaving your mouth, states are starting to wise up and forcing people to wear them, thank god, now that cases are starting to sky rocket
 

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