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Pansterone - Liquid Pregnenolone/DHEA Mix

Discussion in 'IdeaLabs' started by haidut, Aug 4, 2015.

  1. Peatogenic

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    I hadn't experienced the laid-back and grounded quality in a strong sense till adding Pansterone to Androsterone
     
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    Is this a typo? It should raise DHT, as several people already reported with blood tests. It may lower T levels through negative feedback, juts like taking exogenous DHT can.
     
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    It really depends, both have pros and cons. Most people seem to prefer the SFA/ethanol for topical route and it also dries out pretty quickly and does not stain clothes or make them greasy. The tocopherol/MCT option seems preferred by people for oral route even though we cannot endorse such use. But it can work well topically too if you have enough time to leave the treated skin area uncovered so it can absorb properly. Usually, within 30min-45min it absorbs to a level that does not stain clothes if put on top of that spot.
     
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    No, I read a thread on Androsterone labs and an anecdote of someones T lowering...and I think I read a comment where you said Androsterone, if too much, could eventually lower DHT. Maybe I misread....that it could lower T, not DHT.
     
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    awesome. I was guessing that was the deal. Looking forward to trying it out.
     
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    Hello--I went ahead and ordered some of this product, hoping it will help with PFS. I made the mistake of stopping/re-starting/stopping fin within a fairly short period of time and it seemed to do me in. I had stopped a few other times over the years and never had any issues, so I thought I must not be one of the ones that would have issues. I felt SO good after I stopped this most recent time that it was night and day when I started back--I suddenly felt terrible after I remembered what sex SHOULD feel like. So, I stopped again.. felt good for a few weeks, then bam, PFS symptoms started.

    I have been "fairly" lucky in that I didn't get the super depressed, etc. side effects that a lot of people got. My biggest issue is reduced genital sensitivity and a long refractory period (2-3 days vs. used to be 2x a day was no problem). Too much info? Probably. Sorry, lol.

    Anyways. Do you have any suggestions on what I can try to help with this? Obviously, Pansterone to start with. Anything else you would recommend?

    Also, any sort of dosage recommendation? I was going to try say 4 drops on the scrotum and see how that does for starters.

    I don't have a lot of blood work yet unfortunately. I did get total test (~1200 where 1000 is the max normal) and free test (which was under the lower normal limit) tested but those seemed to be fairly common for PFS sufferers. For much beyond that I'll have to go to a doc as it gets too expensive to pay out of pocket.

    Thanks
     
  7. andrei

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    Anybody uses pansterone only? Without androsterone? If yes, how much do u use?
     
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    I will let people with PFS chime in with more suggestions but I think most people use 1-2 doses daily, with 5mg in each dose.
     
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    Thanks. We’ll see if anyone else chimes in
     
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    Does anyone else get extremely dry eyes from Pansterone? After only a single drop, my eyes feel like I had just been cutting an onion.
     
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    Yes, I have the burning/dry eyes Symptom too with any Preg an DHEA?
     
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    Ray Peat has suggested using topical progesterone to treat arthritis. Would this also work as well or is progesterone the better option?
     
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    Since pregnenolone has also been tried with arthritis with good results, I don't see why Pansterone also won't have benefit.
     
  14. BGZ

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    Hello

    Just wanted to report some results from using Pansterone.

    I’ve been using between 3-10 drops pansterone, 3-6 drops androsterone, 4 drops estroban and 2-8 drops gonadin daily for 4 month.

    My Testosterone has gone from 430 to 600 and my psychological wellbeing is great.

    I´m a 39 year old male with about 17 years of steroid use.

    Pansterone and androsterone are applied on scrotum.
     
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    Amazing! Thanks so much for the feedback!
     
  16. Andie777

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    I just ordered Pansterone after reading these forums. I'm a newbie to supplementing. Questions:

    1. How do you take it? Do you apply it to Testicle? If so, would it leave a mark? If so, how soon can I wash it off? 1 hour? or can I simply eat it/drink Pansterone?

    2. I noticed a mixture of A,D,K2, E vitamin- Estroban. I'm interested in taking k2. Should I buy K2 standalone or that mixture? Mixture would give me other vitamins too so I think that's better. But would I be able to eat it or do I need to apply it to testicle? If so, would I be able to wash-it off in an hour or so?

    Extra information / about me:
    36/male/155lbs-70kgs/5'10"-178cms/15-20% body fat

    My main issue I'm trying to fix is Erectile Dysfunction. . It can have multiple causes such as:
    -> Poor hormone balance
    -> Hardening of arteries near penis and hence restricted blood flow to Penis
    -> psychological issues but I ruled it out

    I've been seeing doctor (urologist and then hormone specialist) for over a year with mixed results.

    • 3 years ago - I could get hard no problem
    • 2 years ago - I would get hard with cialis only. Low dose, like 10mg. And I'd stay hard for 2-3 days.
    • 1 year ago - would get hard only with higher dosage of cialis. 20mg and effect would wear off in < 1 day
    • 6 months ago - even 20mg cialis wouldn't work. Doctor put me on:
      • Metaformin 500mg (diagonsed as prediabetic) and
      • Synthyroid 100mcg (TSH over 6 and all symptoms of hypothyroidism)
      • Crestor 20mg to control cholestrol as it was bad for a while
      • and it helped with ED. But not fully. Still nedded cialis.
    • 3 months ago - Over last 3 years, my blood work consistently showed low T but in the range. Like 200-300 whereas range goes from 200 to 900. 3 months ago, doctors finally started TRT:
      • 50mg Testosterone Cypionate twice a week (100mg/week total)
      • 200 IU HCG twice a week (400 IU total)
    and it seemed to have helped a bit. But it is on and off. Doctors said it'd take some time to dial-in to get a good dosage. So, blood work will show if they need to increase T dosage or add AI (like anastrazole) to my protocol. So, it is still early to say if TRT is working. It may be working but maybe other hormones (like e2) are not optimized yet.

    Given I'm on TRT, I don't think taking Panestrone would cause any natural T production to increase because my natural production is probably shut-down (except little bit that is induced from HCG). But perhaps Panestrone will allow my body to make other hormones by providing mother hormones (DHEA+Preg) and maybe that'd help with ED. I don't know - would like to try for a couple of weeks to see if it helps.

    To summarize I currently take:

    1. Synthroid 100mcg daily (morning)
    2. Metaformin 500mg daily (afternoon)
    3. Crestor 20mg daily (night)
    4. Testosterone 100mg/week (50mg twice a week)
    5. HCG 400 IU week (200iu twice a week)
    6. B-Complex
    7. Multivitamins
    8. Vitamin D
    9. DHEA 25mg tablets sometimes, few times a week
    and I'm considering adding: Panestrone and Estroban
     
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    haidut

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    For androgen optimization I think Pansterone and Kuinone would probably be best. Both can be rubbed on body, usually shoulders, chest, upper arms, or legs are best areas for application. No need to apply on scrotum.
    The DHEA dose you currently take is probably too high and it may raise your estrogen. If you use Pansterone then there is no need to take additional DHEA.
    Just my 2c.
     
  18. Andie777

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    Thanks.
    No need for Estroban then?
    Also - can I just eat it or better to apply on shoulder/chest etc? After applying, can I wash it off (if it leaves colored mark)?

    Also, not sure which solvent to choose when I order from Idealabs? MCT or Ethanaol?
     
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    haidut

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    Some people ingest it but we can only advertised it for topical administration. I like the topical route better and the SFA/ethanol version if probably better for that and it can be applied on the same spot together with Kuinone, since both of them synergize.
    Probably no need for EstroBan for now.
     
  20. Andie777

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    Thanks. Received Panestrone today.

    The label and the this thread are confusing.
    Should I apply 4 drops for 5mg : 5mg DHEA: Preganolone or 8 drops per the posts in the start of this thread?
    Also - you said it can be applied anywhere but I was reading in this thread it is optimal to apply on scrotum?

    also, can I cover the application area with clothing right after or wait a minute or so?
     
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