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Pansterone - Liquid Pregnenolone/DHEA Mix

Discussion in 'IdeaLabs' started by haidut, Aug 4, 2015.

  1. Cameron

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    Is tyromixsafe for a normal range t3 and t4 individual just to use to raise androgens? Heard hyperthyroidism cause 8 to 10x the level of androgens
     
  2. Zigzag

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    Can't tell, haven't checked my iodine levels.
     
  3. Vinero

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    I have Diamant, Pansterone, and Androsterone and plan on combining all three topically.
    All are MCT/ tocopherol solvent but the Pansterone also has FEMA.
    Can I apply all three supplements at the same spot? Does the FEMA mix wel with diamant and androsterone?
     
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    Yes, they can be applied together. The FEMA mixes well with both alcohols and fats.
     
  5. brix

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    I have similar thyroid values and confirmed iodine deficiency. What do you think that means?
     
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    The optimal range for TSH is 0.8 - 2. Higher usually suggests slower thyroid function, or if also out of the acceptable range, hypothyroidism.
     
  7. brix

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    Right. I have high t3 and low t4. Usually high tsh correlates with lower t3. So not sure what’s going on.
     
  8. baccheion

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    Do you think there's an iodine deficiency due to low serum or was it a result of seeing higher TSH?
     
  9. brix

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    It was low in serum.
     
  10. baccheion

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    Then the thyroid doesn't have enough to produce more T4.
     
  11. brix

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    My free t3 is high so conversions good. Not sure. My doc wanted me to take kelp supplements.
     
  12. baccheion

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    You said T4 was low.
     
  13. brix

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    Yeah but t3 is high so all of my t4 is being converted. Which is a good thing.
     
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    How did you like this combination?
     
  15. Vinero

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    It is quite potent, I have to lower my androsterone dosage. Androsterone is lowering my libido too much and causing less sensation "down there". It also interferes with sleep. I have used 5 mg pansterone and 5 mg androsterone but I am going to lower it to 5 mg pansterone and 2 mg androsterone.
     
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    Great. I see. Ill test out this combo myself.
    Thanks!
     
  17. Vinero

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    Update: 5 mg Diamant + 5 mg pansterone + 2 mg androsterone works best for me. Very androgenic. Taking 5 mg of androsterone makes me restless somehow and lowers my libido, but at 2 mg androsterone I feel great.
     
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    What are the odds you'd do a before/after comprehensive hormone panel to see what's changed? Are the effects more similar to testosterone or to DHT? Can you provide more details to replace "very androgenic"?
     
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    I've never used Testosterone or DHT so I can't compare the feeling to either of those, but the 5 mg pansterone + 2 mg androsterone gives me increased warmth, well-being and relaxation. Also my appetite increased these last few days I've been using it, which points to increased metabolism.
     
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    Somehow taking a lower dose of androsterone (2 mg) seems to work better than a higher dose (5 mg) It seems that for me a ratio of pansterone/androsterone should be closer to 3:1 instead of 1:1.
     
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