Maybe high progesterone from the pregnenolone?Though andro+pan feels androgenic, feel even kind of depressed on it. What can this be? A guess is estrogen increase, but body temp is high, libido hard, no water retention.
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Maybe high progesterone from the pregnenolone?Though andro+pan feels androgenic, feel even kind of depressed on it. What can this be? A guess is estrogen increase, but body temp is high, libido hard, no water retention.
Why would androsterone make one feel better than androsterone+pansterone at 1:1 ratio?
With andro and pan body feels tighter and drier, beard grows faster, hungrier. With just andro beard grows slower but feel better, more positive, and chiller.
Is andro and pan lowering estrogen too much? Increasing it somewhat? Other things?
Do you use the dmso or tocopherols formula?Review after 4 days of use. 2 Drops per day once per day, sublingually with 15 minutes absorption before swallowing.
- Improved well-being
- Faster thinking
- Well improved libido
- Hair SEEMS thicker
- Had some nights of very deep sleep, but couldn't sleep at all last night. So much energy. Even though I skipped the night, libido is still sky high.
One day I did not have such good effects when I combined all Kuinone, TocoVit and Pansterone drops sublingually at the same time. Seems to produce too much saliva, which prevents effective diffusion under the tongue.
Review after 4 days of use. 2 Drops per day once per day, sublingually with 15 minutes absorption before swallowing.
- Improved well-being
- Faster thinking
- Well improved libido
- Hair SEEMS thicker
- Had some nights of very deep sleep, but couldn't sleep at all last night. So much energy. Even though I skipped the night, libido is still sky high.
One day I did not have such good effects when I combined all Kuinone, TocoVit and Pansterone drops sublingually at the same time. Seems to produce too much saliva, which prevents effective diffusion under the tongue.
Too much GABA activity can cause depression. Androsterone specifically greatly increases inhibitory neurotransmission and can hence lead to depression. Try taking caffeine with andro and see if it helps.Though andro+pan feels androgenic, feel even kind of depressed on it. What can this be? A guess is estrogen increase, but body temp is high, libido hard, no water retention.
Though andro+pan feels androgenic, feel even kind of depressed on it. What can this be? A guess is estrogen increase, but body temp is high, libido hard, no water retention.
1 drop of pansterone at bedtime gives good results, but 2 drops is not so good (down regulation).
I have started 1 drop of androsterone and 1 of pansterone at bedtime.
For me, a thyroid patient, i think this has a knock on effect for how the thyroid works. Other peoples thyroid will be able to adjust their thyroid output based on more steroid hormone, but i have to manage the thyroid side to match the adrenal side. This is why it is so complex when trying to introduce new hormones to the metabolism.
So some positive things have happened in the last day. The p + a combo at bedtime does make a difference for the next day. My T4 seems to work better as does my tiny T3 dose of 3mg. I am still using 2 x drops of progesterone oil. The progesterone oil in the past made a huge difference to my health and it continues to do so today.
BUT the intro of P + A (i think) is going to have another positive effect on my health, so this is very positive.
I am using androsterone at bedtime because it made me tired and after reading info her it seems this is quite common.
Summary: So i think i have managed to improve the steroid side of metabolism with the A + P and this may allow me to utilise thyroid hormone even better. I need a bit more time working with these hormones, but some positive things have happened.
Too much GABA activity can cause depression. Androsterone specifically greatly increases inhibitory neurotransmission and can hence lead to depression. Try taking caffeine with andro and see if it helps.
I kept with pan+andro and the depressing and overstimulated effects stopped. Seems like it was an initial reaction to the supplement.
I've been using the MCT version of Pans for three weeks with success. Same good effects as the DMSO version. I prefer not to use DMSO. I put the drops under my tongue and hold it there a little while.
Is it better to use Pansterone under stress, because of the anti-stress effects of pregnenolone, or is it better to use it outside of stress, so that you'll get more of the good stuff (androgens, progesterone) when it converts? Or does it not matter?
@haidut Whats the Ethanol/SFA esters solvent?
better absorption than DMSO ?