Pansterone - Liquid Pregnenolone/DHEA Mix

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It is the DMSO version. Have had it for a while.
And the powder is on the outside of the bottle.

I would just try to warm it up, it should still dissolve no matter how long ago it was bought.
 
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Hey Haidut, if my rat is exhibiting high DHEA-S , as in in the top range 510 ug/dL, would DHEA further increase or assist in lowering these levels, or are they related?

It seems when rat takes a bit over a small amount of DHEA the system goes a bit crazy, almost into a stress mode and possible high estrogen, poor little booger, all he wanted to do was run around the wheel a few times and mate with the 10 female rats also in the cage :D.
 
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Hey Haidut, if my rat is exhibiting high DHEA-S , as in in the top range 510 ug/dL, would DHEA further increase or assist in lowering these levels, or are they related?

It seems when rat takes a bit over a small amount of DHEA the system goes a bit crazy, almost into a stress mode and possible high estrogen, poor little booger, all he wanted to do was run around the wheel a few times and mate with the 10 female rats also in the cage :D.

If DHEA is in the top range I would not take more as a supplement. Maybe a bit of pregnenolone can help with downstream conversion into T and DHT but I would watch closely for symptoms as it may convert into DHEA as well and give the same jittery symptoms.
 

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"Normal blood levels of DHEA-sulfate can differ by sex and age.

Typical normal ranges for females are:

  • Ages 18 to 19: 145 to 395 micrograms per deciliter (µg/dL) or 3.92 to 10.66 micromoles per liter (µmol/L)
  • Ages 20 to 29: 65 to 380 µg/dL or 1.75 to 10.26 µmol/L
  • Ages 30 to 39: 45 to 270 µg/dL or 1.22 to 7.29 µmol/L
  • Ages 40 to 49: 32 to 240 µg/dL or 0.86 to 6.48 µmol/L
  • Ages 50 to 59: 26 to 200 µg/dL or 0.70 to 5.40 µmol/L
  • Ages 60 to 69: 13 to 130 µg/dL or 0.35 to 3.51 µmol/L
  • Ages 69 and older: 17 to 90 µg/dL or 0.46 to 2.43 µmol/L
Typical normal ranges for males are:

  • Ages 18 to 19: 108 to 441 µg/dL or 2.92 to 11.91 µmol/L
  • Ages 20 to 29: 280 to 640 µg/dL or 7.56 to 17.28 µmol/L
  • Ages 30 to 39: 120 to 520 µg/dL or 3.24 to 14.04 µmol/L
  • Ages 40 to 49: 95 to 530 µg/dL or 2.56 to 14.31 µmol/L
  • Ages 50 to 59: 70 to 310 µg/dL or 1.89 to 8.37 µmol/L
  • Ages 60 to 69: 42 to 290 µg/dL or 1.13 to 7.83 µmol/L
  • Ages 69 and older: 28 to 175 µg/dL or 0.76 to 4.72 µmol/L
Normal value ranges may vary slightly among different laboratories. Some labs use different measurements or test different specimens. Talk to your health care provider about the meaning of your specific test results." - DHEA-sulfate test: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia

My labs top range says about 320 ug/dL. Those are "mean" ranges I suppose, but what if a rat with 30 yo (human equivalent age) exhibits levels around top 20 yo rat? (ie: supplementation). Maybe it wont fit it's age levels but it doesn't mean it's bad or harmful...just out of "normal" range
 
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"Normal blood levels of DHEA-sulfate can differ by sex and age.

Typical normal ranges for females are:

  • Ages 18 to 19: 145 to 395 micrograms per deciliter (µg/dL) or 3.92 to 10.66 micromoles per liter (µmol/L)
  • Ages 20 to 29: 65 to 380 µg/dL or 1.75 to 10.26 µmol/L
  • Ages 30 to 39: 45 to 270 µg/dL or 1.22 to 7.29 µmol/L
  • Ages 40 to 49: 32 to 240 µg/dL or 0.86 to 6.48 µmol/L
  • Ages 50 to 59: 26 to 200 µg/dL or 0.70 to 5.40 µmol/L
  • Ages 60 to 69: 13 to 130 µg/dL or 0.35 to 3.51 µmol/L
  • Ages 69 and older: 17 to 90 µg/dL or 0.46 to 2.43 µmol/L
Typical normal ranges for males are:

  • Ages 18 to 19: 108 to 441 µg/dL or 2.92 to 11.91 µmol/L
  • Ages 20 to 29: 280 to 640 µg/dL or 7.56 to 17.28 µmol/L
  • Ages 30 to 39: 120 to 520 µg/dL or 3.24 to 14.04 µmol/L
  • Ages 40 to 49: 95 to 530 µg/dL or 2.56 to 14.31 µmol/L
  • Ages 50 to 59: 70 to 310 µg/dL or 1.89 to 8.37 µmol/L
  • Ages 60 to 69: 42 to 290 µg/dL or 1.13 to 7.83 µmol/L
  • Ages 69 and older: 28 to 175 µg/dL or 0.76 to 4.72 µmol/L
Normal value ranges may vary slightly among different laboratories. Some labs use different measurements or test different specimens. Talk to your health care provider about the meaning of your specific test results." - DHEA-sulfate test: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia

My labs top range says about 320 ug/dL. Those are "mean" ranges I suppose, but what if a rat with 30 yo (human equivalent age) exhibits levels around top 20 yo rat? (ie: supplementation). Maybe it wont fit it's age levels but it doesn't mean it's bad or harmful...just out of "normal" range

These are not "normal" ranges. These are just the statistically determined ranges in which 95% of the population fall into. If a person is healthy and thyroid is working their DHEA-S levels should not decline with age. I think the only useful range is the one for aged 20-29 so that if you are below the lower limit or above the upper limit you know there may be an issue. But all the other ranges are useless IMO as they represent abnormal decline (e.g. pathology) that can be avoided with thyroid or DHEA/pregnenolone supplementation.
 

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@haidut I noticed something about Pansterone in scrotal application on my rat:
When scrotum is "dilated" (when room temp is hot) the Pansterone application gives a burning sensation for a few seconds, when scrotum is "contracted" and testicles near body, there's no burning sensation. I've been applying it for more than two weeks and it toke me days to figure this relationship between burning and scrotum state.

Any thoughts on it?
 

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Latest test results from SquatRat with my history of test:
5/7/2016 Testosterone = 301 ng/dl
1/7/2016 (a month on steroids of youth) Test = 662 ng/dl, Free Test =76.1 pg/mL
2/12/2017 Test = 581 ng/dl, Free Test = 93.1 pg/mL Test went down but free test went up
8/2017 (after 64 pounds of weight loss) Test = 777 ng/dl, Free Test = 113.1 pg/mL, E2 = 24 pg/mL which is well within range

Ive quit using "the formula" on my rat, he seems to like 3 drops of the steroids of youth on each testicle just fine. The numbers are the highest theyve ever been and the rat is not even on a high cholesterol diet. Its now eating jumbo eggs and will get tested again in a month.
I'd argue the steroids of youth by itself is worth 300-350 ng/dls which is quite a leap for a product that cost only $20. I highly reccomend it.
 
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@haidut I noticed something about Pansterone in scrotal application on my rat:
When scrotum is "dilated" (when room temp is hot) the Pansterone application gives a burning sensation for a few seconds, when scrotum is "contracted" and testicles near body, there's no burning sensation. I've been applying it for more than two weeks and it toke me days to figure this relationship between burning and scrotum state.

Any thoughts on it?

I think when the scrotum is "dilated" the skin gets thinner and more sensitive to the alcohol in Pansterone. Some people reported the same experience when applying on eyelids...but don't ask me why they decided to apply to eyelids :):
 
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Latest test results from SquatRat with my history of test:
5/7/2016 Testosterone = 301 ng/dl
1/7/2016 (a month on steroids of youth) Test = 662 ng/dl, Free Test =76.1 pg/mL
2/12/2017 Test = 581 ng/dl, Free Test = 93.1 pg/mL Test went down but free test went up
8/2017 (after 64 pounds of weight loss) Test = 777 ng/dl, Free Test = 113.1 pg/mL, E2 = 24 pg/mL which is well within range

Ive quit using "the formula" on my rat, he seems to like 3 drops of the steroids of youth on each testicle just fine. The numbers are the highest theyve ever been and the rat is not even on a high cholesterol diet. Its now eating jumbo eggs and will get tested again in a month.
I'd argue the steroids of youth by itself is worth 300-350 ng/dls which is quite a leap for a product that cost only $20. I highly reccomend it.

Wow...just wow! Thanks for the amazing review! :-D
I am assuming in the period between 5/7/2016 and 2/12/2017 you had the extra 64lbs of extra weight on you, right? Also, did you test estrogen back then? I only see it listed for the last test. Finally, which version of Pansterone are you using - one in DMSO, tocopherol, or SFA esters?
 

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Wow...just wow! Thanks for the amazing review! :-D
I am assuming in the period between 5/7/2016 and 2/12/2017 you had the extra 64lbs of extra weight on you, right? Also, did you test estrogen back then? I only see it listed for the last test. Finally, which version of Pansterone are you using - one in DMSO, tocopherol, or SFA esters?

I think my latest batch is the tocopherol but I dont think it matters. The numbers are what I expect them to be based on the weight loss. Ive only tested E2 once, my last test; im testing it again in a month. Stay tuned!

I weighed about 290 when I tested 301. The seteroids of youth immediatly jacked up my test despite being very heavy at the beginning of the year. I currently weigh 220.
 
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I think my latest batch is the tocopherol but I dont think it matters. The numbers are what I expect them to be based on the weight loss. Ive only tested E2 once, my last test; im testing it again in a month. Stay tuned!

I weighed about 290 when I tested 301. The seteroids of youth immediatly jacked up my test despite being very heavy at the beginning of the year. I currently weigh 220.

Perfect, thanks for the detailed explanation! If you do more tests in the future or change dose please share your results.
 

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Latest test results from SquatRat with my history of test:
5/7/2016 Testosterone = 301 ng/dl
1/7/2016 (a month on steroids of youth) Test = 662 ng/dl, Free Test =76.1 pg/mL
2/12/2017 Test = 581 ng/dl, Free Test = 93.1 pg/mL Test went down but free test went up
8/2017 (after 64 pounds of weight loss) Test = 777 ng/dl, Free Test = 113.1 pg/mL, E2 = 24 pg/mL which is well within range

Ive quit using "the formula" on my rat, he seems to like 3 drops of the steroids of youth on each testicle just fine. The numbers are the highest theyve ever been and the rat is not even on a high cholesterol diet. Its now eating jumbo eggs and will get tested again in a month.
I'd argue the steroids of youth by itself is worth 300-350 ng/dls which is quite a leap for a product that cost only $20. I highly reccomend it.

Woah this is awesome thanks! just to catch up - these values are from 6 drops/day of pansterone solo on rats scrotum?

@haidut Could the Pansterone + Androsterone combo be used to help rats recover hpa function or could it make things worse/causing even more suppression?
 

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Woah this is awesome thanks! just to catch up - these values are from 6 drops/day of pansterone solo on rats scrotum?

@haidut Could the Pansterone + Androsterone combo be used to help rats recover hpa function or could it make things worse/causing even more suppression?
DOn't quote me on that but I think Ray suggested very small amounts of dhea and more pregnenolone for that (possibly among other things).
 

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Latest test results from SquatRat with my history of test:
5/7/2016 Testosterone = 301 ng/dl
1/7/2016 (a month on steroids of youth) Test = 662 ng/dl, Free Test =76.1 pg/mL
2/12/2017 Test = 581 ng/dl, Free Test = 93.1 pg/mL Test went down but free test went up
8/2017 (after 64 pounds of weight loss) Test = 777 ng/dl, Free Test = 113.1 pg/mL, E2 = 24 pg/mL which is well within range

Ive quit using "the formula" on my rat, he seems to like 3 drops of the steroids of youth on each testicle just fine. The numbers are the highest theyve ever been and the rat is not even on a high cholesterol diet. Its now eating jumbo eggs and will get tested again in a month.
I'd argue the steroids of youth by itself is worth 300-350 ng/dls which is quite a leap for a product that cost only $20. I highly reccomend it.
Has the rat been taking any other medications/drugs/supplements during this time?
 
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Woah this is awesome thanks! just to catch up - these values are from 6 drops/day of pansterone solo on rats scrotum?

@haidut Could the Pansterone + Androsterone combo be used to help rats recover hpa function or could it make things worse/causing even more suppression?

Like @Wagner83 said, I think pregnenolone and DHEA would be better for that, at least for HPG recovery if it is suppressed for some reason. Not sure why you would want to increase HPA activity, as it is the biomarker of stress. Btw, pregnenolone/DHEA may actually suppress HPA (but boost HPG) but at least pregnenolone can serve to fill in some of the role of cortisol.
 
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Latest test results from SquatRat with my history of test:
5/7/2016 Testosterone = 301 ng/dl
1/7/2016 (a month on steroids of youth) Test = 662 ng/dl, Free Test =76.1 pg/mL
2/12/2017 Test = 581 ng/dl, Free Test = 93.1 pg/mL Test went down but free test went up
8/2017 (after 64 pounds of weight loss) Test = 777 ng/dl, Free Test = 113.1 pg/mL, E2 = 24 pg/mL which is well within range

Ive quit using "the formula" on my rat, he seems to like 3 drops of the steroids of youth on each testicle just fine. The numbers are the highest theyve ever been and the rat is not even on a high cholesterol diet. Its now eating jumbo eggs and will get tested again in a month.
I'd argue the steroids of youth by itself is worth 300-350 ng/dls which is quite a leap for a product that cost only $20. I highly reccomend it.

One last question. What is the upper range limit on the free T for your lab?
 

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Woah this is awesome thanks! just to catch up - these values are from 6 drops/day of pansterone solo on rats scrotum?

3 drops each testicle, you can use 4.

@A.R. The rat also take 4 drops of Andro on the arm and 4 drops pan on the arm. Ive experimented a lot with haiduts products and I think less is more depending on what you want to do. But you have to figure out what works for you.

@haidut I think Free Test tops out at about 150 pg.mL on my lab tests.
 

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3 drops each testicle, you can use 4.

@A.R. The rat also take 4 drops of Andro on the arm and 4 drops pan on the arm. Ive experimented a lot with haiduts products and I think less is more depending on what you want to do. But you have to figure out what works for you.

@haidut I think Free Test tops out at about 150 pg.mL on my lab tests.
Oh ok so did you use pansterone on scrotum alone or did you use 6 drops on scrotum + 4 on arms + 4 drops andro? What differences do you notice with and without the androsterone (if you tried it that is)?
 
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3 drops each testicle, you can use 4.

@A.R. The rat also take 4 drops of Andro on the arm and 4 drops pan on the arm. Ive experimented a lot with haiduts products and I think less is more depending on what you want to do. But you have to figure out what works for you.

@haidut I think Free Test tops out at about 150 pg.mL on my lab tests.

Great, thanks! Could you please update your post with this and just say that the upper limit of the range was about 150? A lot of people will be reading that post and I want this info to be in there. If you could also put the upper limit for total T that would be even better. I am assuming it is around 850, right?
 

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Oh ok so did you use pansterone on scrotum alone or did you use 6 drops on scrotum + 4 on arms + 4 drops andro?
Correct.

What differences do you notice with and without the androsterone (if you tried it that is)?
I take the andro for the bdnf boost. I dont know if I need it or not.

@haidut Im not seeing an edit button for my old posts.
 

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