Oxalate Toxicity

[somuch4food]

Here's some food for thoughts:

Oxalate toxicity is a vitamin K deficiency? Maintain Adequate Levels of Vitamin K - Kingsway Compounding

Oxalate toxicity is induced by biofilms, not genetics:   bcd/scd and the low oxalate diet    

I was researching vitamin K since I appear to have more dumping symptoms, but also many signs of vitamin K deficiency: easy bruising, calcium intolerance and nosebleeds.

 

[Dutchie]

Informative video on oxalate health hazzard

 

[Potato]

Hey, how is your low oxalate journey going? I have been eating super high oxalate for a couple of years and just over a week ago I started low oxalate diet. I have been lifting weights for years now and I have always been really stiff with cracking and popping joints. I was amazed when I trained legs yesterday and did squats. I wasn't stiff at all and my joints didn't make any sounds at any time! I literally can't get any sounds coming from my joints no matter how hard I try. Usually you could hear me coming because my ankles used to crack and pop from every step I made. This has got to be a good sign, don't you think?

 

[Dutchie]

@Potato Personally I'm seeing small gradual improvements. My jaw used to pop in the morning when I got up and yawned,while chewing etc.
Your comment suddenly made me realize that I haven't been experiencing jaw pops for a while now.

It is recommended to gradually lower oxalates,bc you might start to experience major dumping symptoms.

 

[Potato]

@Potato Personally I'm seeing small gradual improvements. My jaw used to pop in the morning when I got up and yawned,while chewing etc.
Your comment suddenly made me realize that I haven't been experiencing jaw pops for a while now.

It is recommended to gradually lower oxalates,bc you might start to experience major dumping symptoms.

I don't follow zero oxalate diet, I just eat mainly low oxalate and some medium oxalate foods. I used to live on buckwheat and sweet potatoes, those were my main calorie sources for couple of years. I just ordered calcium and magnesium citrate supplements. I'm going to take them with every meal to speed up healing.

I still can't believe that my joints don't make any sounds anymore, truly amazing.

 

[Recoen]

I don't follow zero oxalate diet, I just eat mainly low oxalate and some medium oxalate foods. I used to live on buckwheat and sweet potatoes, those were my main calorie sources for couple of years. I just ordered calcium and magnesium citrate supplements. I'm going to take them with every meal to speed up healing.

I still can't believe that my joints don't make any sounds anymore, truly amazing.

How’s your estrogen? My clicking joints seems more related to where I am in my cycle.

 

[Recoen]

Here's some food for thoughts:

Oxalate toxicity is a vitamin K deficiency? Maintain Adequate Levels of Vitamin K - Kingsway Compounding

Oxalate toxicity is induced by biofilms, not genetics: bcd/scd and the low oxalate diet

I was researching vitamin K since I appear to have more dumping symptoms, but also many signs of vitamin K deficiency: easy bruising, calcium intolerance and nosebleeds.

This is very interesting, thanks! Endogenous production seems to be from a lack of B vitamins too. Also vit C becoming DHA probably because not enough vit e, gsh, and NADPH. And glycine from not enough B6.

 

[Dutchie]

I don't follow zero oxalate diet, I just eat mainly low oxalate and some medium oxalate foods. I used to live on buckwheat and sweet potatoes, those were my main calorie sources for couple of years. I just ordered calcium and magnesium citrate supplements. I'm going to take them with every meal to speed up healing.

I still can't believe that my joints don't make any sounds anymore, truly amazing.

A zero oxalate diet would only be achievable if one would eat fully carnivore. Coming from a diet with very high oxalate foods it's advised to gradually lower the amount in the diet and not cut everything immediately.
I think that's why I went through some issues,bc most likely the amount decreased way too much.

It is truly amazing to me too,how such a thing can wreak built-up havoc in your body....and the medical establishment basically knowing squat about it.

 

[Potato]

How’s your estrogen? My clicking joints seems more related to where I am in my cycle.

I haven't tested my hormone levels, except testosterone, it has been on the low side.

 

[Nighteyes]

I haven't tested my hormone levels, except testosterone, it has been on the low side.

I have lowish testosterone aswell. My estradiol is at the very lowest end of the range, and my joints always pop like crazy. Perhaps having low testosterone means less is available for aromatization.. increasing cholesterol rich foods should help raise hormones

 

[Momentum]

My high oxalate journey has sent me to hell and I've lost over a year of my life from juicing celery (only for three weeks), followed eating a lot of spinach, nuts, other oxalates, etc. I've been to over 11 different docs (many specialists) and other health specialists, had numerous tests, labs, treatments in the last year.

I don't think this would be such a huge problem for many people, but for those with a connective tissue disorder - OR for those with ANY vascular weakness - I would AVOID high oxalates at all expense.

(Oh, and yes, my DNA does show a weakness for oxalate)

In retrospect I believe the extremely sharp shards, spears, crystals and other shapes of oxalates shredded through my tissue causing all kinds of problems from extreme ligament weakness causing cranio/cervical instability and all of those problems including intracranial hypertension, constant subluxation of my joints, severe muscle cramping because my ligaments were too weak........and wreaking havoc on my vascular system.
The vascular issue seems to be primarily effecting my brain - not something to mess around with. Trying to rule out temporal arteritis (again nothing to mess around with). Well, the brain issue is most concerning and annoying because it is very painful, effects my vision, etc. But I have developed varicose veins in my legs as well.

We have a family weakness of vascular issues, so I will never consume them in quantity. For now, I have dramatically increased my high quality MSM (which has helped my veins in the past), increased my iodine (which hopefully displaces oxalate), and have added in molecular hydrogen water which has helped immensely with symptoms and hopefully will help with cellular repair (lots of studies on this).

To anyone reducing oxalates, if you feel worse at one point, it is your body feeling safe enough to "dump" the extra oxalates. You can slow this down by consuming a few more. The best information is on Susan Owens' FB group Trying Low Oxalates. She has an amazing spread sheet with current correct amounts of oxalates in foods. Sally Norton is amazing too

 

[Momentum]

Forgot to mention, that over the years I have reversed my Hashi's thyroid disease. I credit this to taking lots of Lugol's iodine a la Brownstein's protocol. (100mg/day). That being said, I got a tiny sloppy on my dosing the last year, not terribly so, but not religious about it. This winter two nodules showed up on my thyroid (partially solid, partially fluid). I think the oxalate and lowered iodine dose may have been the perfect storm. Needless to say, the iodine is back to religious dosing.

Susan Owens says that oxalates love to deposit in damaged tissue - not sure if there are studies on that.

 

[Dutchie]

@Momentum I'm in that FB group as well,though I feel that one of the moderators is offputting.
The spreadsheet is a bit complicated and hard to navigate imo.

 

[Potato]

Are you using calcium citrate supplements? It seems perfect for oxalate toxicity since taking good amount of calcium reduces oxalate absorption to under 2% and citrate helps to dissolve oxalate crystals too. That's a win-win.

 

[Dutchie]

No,I dont use calc.citrate. Ive recently started taking a tiny amount of coral calcium. I cant take calcium and/or magnesium citrate bc it messes too much with my iron metabolism.

I do use B vitamin supplement,especially B6 and Taurine powder.

 

[Potato]

Does anyone know is vitamin k2 helpful or harmful when dealing with oxalate toxicity?

 

[Momentum]

@Momentum I'm in that FB group as well,though I feel that one of the moderators is offputting.
The spreadsheet is a bit complicated and hard to navigate imo.

Yep, she sure is ;-) You are not alone.
I mainly read, did my research and now I'm out of there. I think she is trying to protect Susan because Susan gets over 600 posts/questions per day on all of her groups combined, but I think the members (like here) are educated enough to answer most of the questions. I think the members also lose out because 90% (I'm guessing) of posts get denied as "not relevant or appropriate". Whatever (roll eyes). The info there is primo though.

I do love the spreadsheet. Mainly I've gone to each page/tab several times. Examined the very low and low foods, then the extremely high foods and made up my diet

There is a way you can put in a word or better a partial word and use a certain function (depending on operating system) and it will search the entire "book". But on my computer the highlighted fields aren't very highlighted.

 

[Momentum]

Are you using calcium citrate supplements? It seems perfect for oxalate toxicity since taking good amount of calcium reduces oxalate absorption to under 2% and citrate helps to dissolve oxalate crystals too. That's a win-win.

If I eat high(er) oxalate I try and combine with some calcium or take some cal/citrate. I take Master Mineral Solution and I would bet that it dissolves oxalates as well. I took it 6 years ago for 5 months and never felt better.

I take K2, but can't remember if or how it effects oxalates.

I've only recently becomef a bit of a fan of homeopathy and there is an oxalate remedy that I decided to start recently. I'll take it for many months, just once a day, maybe less.

 

[Lollipop2]

I've only recently becomef a bit of a fan of homeopathy and there is an oxalate remedy that I decided to start recently.

That is awesome! Which remedy?

 

[Lollipop2]

Yep, she sure is ;-) You are not alone.
I mainly read, did my research and now I'm out of there. I think she is trying to protect Susan because Susan gets over 600 posts/questions per day on all of her groups combined, but I think the members (like here) are educated enough to answer most of the questions.

I am still in the group. Annie is a perfect example of whom not to put as the gatekeeper. She is brutal and certainly not kind about it. Soooo much to learn. I have never stopped learning. Though I learned not to make any kind of post - lol. I think it is a group worth staying in. They update the spreadsheet every year. That alone is worth it. If you are using iPhone, download the pdf version in iBooks. Search function works awesome!