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Overproduction Of Adrenalin Caused By Stress/worry/anxiety. Now How To Fix?

Discussion in 'Metabolism' started by edd00, Jan 31, 2019.

  1. OP
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    Oh yes Im aware of that already! Thanks good tip for all males honestly
     
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    I cannot even begin to tell you how accurate this is. Every line in your response hits the nail on the head....bittersweet moment to realize this. Thank you for your insightful response.


    Honestly though these ****88 up thoughts almost always come WHEN I AM RELAXING!!

    its maddening almost like WTF??

    It's almost as if before I can allow myself to relax or whenever I sense any pleasure or joy my mind does a quick "inventory" and says "oh wait, what about x,y,z. Those things aren't yet resolved"...and then my fun is over lol...even if I know I am logically ok they still come up. Eventually this happens so much I just forget how to enjoy myself...you're right sounds a bit like OCD..

    Thank you again for this response. Seeing it through this lens I am sure will aid me in being able to just "enjoy the moment" as they say.
     
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    That study references it’s use and toxicity in the treatment of mental illness. Doses are typically from 600mg - 1,800mg per day, and at those doses you definitely need to be monitored.

    Taking up to 5mg per day or one 5mg capsule every two days has been shown to be neuro protective, and seems to help people have a more stable mood, but in no way will produce toxicity.
     
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    True. Considering how much certain people may get via water and vegetables, and the fact that it is an essential mineral to the body, seems like low dose supplementation is probably as safe as salt. I think rock salt often has large amounts of lithium.
     
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    For help relaxing, around 300mg is good.
     
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    I have never taken lithium but my lithium levels were sky high in my younger years. May have explained my positive and sunny disposition, however, my behaviour was bordering on the extreme. I was highly excitable, hypervigilant and OCD. When I questioned the high lithium, I was told it was a good thing as many test low. Hmm??

    I was eating healthy, lots of veggies, grains, legumes, seeds - so I thought.

    Only when I increased milk and dairy in the diet, did the lithium levels decreased. My disposition is still positive but I feel more relaxed, less hypervigilant and OCD tendencies disappeared. I am the opposite now - pretty nonchalant and no longer maniac in trying to achieve the impossible. Near enough is good enough and I have stopped trying to have everything perfect. I am much more relaxed and stopped wasting energy on things that just don't matter.

    The following findings makes me uneasy about lithium no matter the dose.

    Lithium competes with magnesium. We have learnt from Dr Peat that in a low-energy, hypothyroid state, magnesium is lost rapidly. The hypothyroidism should be corrected before considering lithium. If lithium displacing magnesium is viewed as beneficial, then we need further investigation to understand why this is beneficial. It makes no sense to me from what we understand about magnesium.

    Magnesium is considered the calming mineral. It nourishes the nervous system, helps prevent anxiety, fear, nervousness, restlessness and irritability. It may even have a positive effect on depression. Magnesium helps to stay regular, treat menstrual cramps, and help with menopausal symptoms. 600 enzymes need magnesium as a cofactor and another 200 need magnesium to be activated.

    Lithium influences calcium signalling pathways, disturbing parathyroid gland resulting in hypercalcemia.

    This explains my own calcium dysregulation when lithium was high even though I was not on lithium but my PTH was high.

    Lithium-Associated Hypercalcemia: Pathophysiology, Prevalence, Management

    Lithium depletes myo-inositol.

    Myo-inositol has been found to be beneficial for Hashimoto in reducing thyroid antibodies, TSH; it enhances thyroid function and wellbeing and get this has been found to be beneficial in PCOS. The incident of PCOS is through the roof as is thyroid conditions.

    Myo-inositol plus selenium supplementation restores euthyroid state in Hashimoto's patients with subclinical hypothyroidism. - PubMed - NCBI
    Indeed, FFA are known to reduce glucose disposal, causing IR and increased triglyceride synthesis. DCI upregulates pyruvate dehydrogenase leading to the production of ATP by the Krebs’ cycle. MI and DCI promote glycogen synthase, inducing glucose conversion to glycogen stored inside cells. MI modulates the activation of glucose transporters and glucose utilization, and glycogen synthesis takes place under the control of DCI. This molecule on the ovary regulates the insulin-induced androgen synthesis, whereas MI regulates glucose uptake and FSH signaling (1).

    How many on this forum have problems storing glycogen?


    Myo-inositol effects in women with PCOS: a meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials

    From where I stand, lithium interferes with too many important pathways to warrant supplementing and there is plent Always think what do your cells truly need to carry out their work. They don't want a substance mascarading as the real thing.
     
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    Ella,

    Very good post. I like the studies you posted also.

    However I think you are overcomplicating our advice on Lithium. Lithium orotate/citrate/chloride in small doses around 5mg it is very unlikely to cause the problems you mentioned if used for a short time to replenish/normalize and you should notice if it works for you or not with the first doses. For its price (4.92 USD for 60 caps of 5mg lithium orotate) I think it is worth trying. It can't harm.

    Now let's say it indeed causes a positive and profound effect, then you have to start to learn more about how to properly use it and avoid potential dangers, but for that price and the potential really good effects of it, I think it is worth trying a few small doses.

    There's a mineral water in my country, it is very famous and lots of people drink it daily (myself included). It has 1.3 mg lithium per liter of water (I don't know in which form, they don't specify it). A few doses of 2,3,4 or 5 mg can't be such drastic otherwise that mineral water couldn't be sold on stores without a warning.

    Maybe you could even try the orotate yourself.

    Just my 2cents.
     
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    If I daily get 10mg lithium , and 500mg magnesium, and 500mg calcium, is it really a problem? I think lithium without other vital minerals is a problem, but the same can be said for everything.
     
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    With those doses I really think it is unlikely you cause any imbalance, at least not an imbalance that you can cause by having anyother isolated vitamin/mineral.

    But for 10mg lithium daily for more than a month or two maybe the thyroid and kidneys have to be checked ?

    We should move to the lithium thread, we're hijacking the thread! hahaha
     
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    You're welcome!Yeah , enjoying the moment is very important. And in my experience, the longer you stay in this state( not worrying much about things), the safer you will feel when it comes to anxiety and intrusive thoughts. If you feel like you have to think about something important, you can write it down in a piece of paper or make a list of things that you may need to to. Ray Peat said once that if there is something bothering you, it's worth trying to solve it. Keeping in mind the big picture and not trying to control all variables all at once will yield the best results. If it so happens that you are doing something very important wrong, the it will have an effect on the big picture( for example, your well-being, a project you are working on, a decision you made etc) , and you will know that something needs adjustment, so simply by doing things calmly and living in a more carefree way it will work out.
     
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    Lithium lithium lithium lithium
    :rofl
     
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    Maybe if your digestion sucks, I’m assuming your not eliminating at least twice a day? I have found that digestion is proper when I’m eating adequately. Maybe more food is part of the answer
     
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    Also, when I’m nervous anxious. I have to force food down. Maybe you could track it and see if your eating really well. Maybe you could boost your calories and see what happens; maybe you’ll become less anxiety ridden.
     
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    Thanks will do!
     
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    @Ella: Thank you. Your posts in this thread (and the post you quoted from @theLaw) have helped me in taking care of a relative who gets terrible bursts of adrenaline every day.

    Often, the methods you suggest work very well. Unfortunately, there are times when no amount of salt or ice cream seems to do the job, and when the adrenaline starts rising, my relative even has trouble with gelatin (protein lowering blood sugar?) and OJ (sugar getting converted to lactic acid during stress?). Thyroid, progesterone, and more than a little sunlight seem to make his adrenaline worse.

    Your approach to this problem is very helpful, so I'm wondering if you have any tips for adrenaline "hard cases" like my relative.

     
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    Keep in mind that a frequent dosing schedule might be imperative. If your body can only use/store a small amount of sugar/salt at a time, then the rest would be lost (leaky bucket)........especially while sleeping.

    Other causes of adrenaline : intestinal irritation, too many liquids, and problem gut bacteria (activated charcoal might help).

    Sounds like your relative needs more energy from foods. Look up the fat/pro/carb density of the standard fast-food burger + fries + coke, and that will give you an idea of how much you might need to kill adrenaline. This is medication for the masses after all.
     
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    Thanks, man; this is a potentially critical point I'd been missing.

    Wonder if this is the reason he can react badly to fruit juice during an adrenaline spike. I assumed problem was that he was turning the carbs to lactate. Will have to test with pure sucrose or less watery fruit. Thanks.
     
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    I created a loaded oj for my morning routine:

    1 cup OJ

    5Tbsp sugar barely covered in water and microwaved for 30 seconds to make syrup. Then add Oj and stir.
     
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    Thanks, will give it a shot.
     
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