Odd, Weird Question To Do With Online Erotica

[Infoleech]

Incest is rampant, even in the bible, lol.... There are a number of people who do not even know what the word means. I would have asked, but apparently, you are better than me. lol.

 

[milk_lover]

Too much judgments in the forum. What is considered taboo in western region doesn't mean it's taboo somewhere else. For example, it's perfectly normal to marry first cousin in arabic countries. Also, if a man marries your mother and he has a smoking hot daughter (what you call step-sister in your culture), you can bang her if she is ok with that.

Let the poor man be happy. Porn is fake and they are not banging their real sisters in the movie. Don't break his heart. No need.

 

[goodandevil]

why their parents let them do this with their child?!!

I had a friend who started her little girl in beauty contests, swimsuit competitions, &etc. I guess the desire for social status, or the envy of other parents, or whatever, is enough to override their better senses. Maybe power and the state take the place of a loving family for such parents but if someone's the kind of person that takes things at face value there's no limit to the horrible things they'll do, like nazi germany, or all these wars. It's been like that ever since the first con artist, the first abuser. It's horrible. Ultimately just because people want to fit in, not rock the boat, that's what i think.

 

[Such_Saturation]

these Peatchforks though

 

[whodathunkit]

"Daddy" doesn't always literally mean "father" when used in sexual parlance. It just means a dominant man.

I *know* that Daddy can be an ambiguous term. LOL But in this case, the URL string specifically contained "incest" and "erotica", and the google description of the site made it clear it was actually about the incest. Plus x-ray went there and the author admitted to writing the story to satisfy "boredom" with garden-variety porn.

But anyway...after sleeping on it feel better. Lotta different complexities to the sitch that I'm still sorting through. Thanks for all the support, y'all! :)

 

[x-ray peat]

x-ray, bless you for clicking in and telling about it! Thank you.

Was it really explicit? Were there any staged photos, or was it all "literature" (words only, or at most illustrations not photos)?

I didn't see anything else that looked like porn in the address bar cache, and in fact that's why this URL jumped out at me. I don't remember the whole thing but I do remember it was something like "erotica-dot-stories-dot-sarahanddaddy" or similar. It was a typical URL string designating the website with the story title suffixed to the end of the string. The word erotica caught my eye and that was the only erotica I saw in the address bar's memory. Didn't look like he visited any other stories. I didn't dig around in the browser memory because I was so shocked and also because my mother who was also there has a nosey habit of coming up behind people to see what they're doing on the computer: "What is THAT website??!!" But I did do a cursory check, and that was it. The lone URL was one reason I didn't initially dismiss this as a one-off...there was nothing obvious in the browser that supported the notion that someone was just noodling around looking at random porn.


Depends on if it's a male or female dog. Male can easily make it known whether he likes it or not, and thereby gives consent (or not). So, no real problems there as long as the human involved is also able to give consent.

Females dogs can't make it obvious that they like it or give consent, so they're an unequivocal "no" on the bestiality question.

Sorry. Just had to weigh in on that.

@XC3yO and @goodandevil: you guys are pretty good eggs. Patient in the face of snarky rants, anyway. So does that make *me* a douche? :p

The site was all adult stories and as far as I could tell didn't specialize in incest or taboo stuff but I didn't really do much more than look at the first page with the story in question. I wouldn't treat your older relative any differently or think he is a freak.

As for my bestiality joke, I edited it out sometime after you must have quoted it because I was afraid my sarcasm wouldn't translate. For the record I think its wrong no matter what, consent or not :).

Clone high, good times
"Daddy" doesn't always literally mean "father" when used in sexual parlance. It just means a dominant man.
I also echo the sentiment that it's very easy to end up on porn sites that you didn't intend to go to. Doesn't have to be through ads or misclicks, you can stumble upon loads of porn just by surfig reddit or whatever.

For the sake of science, I read the first few paragraphs before I got grossed out. It was about Father/Daughter incest.

 

[x-ray peat]

A big part of cultural Marxism, and thus globalism, is pushing for what's called sexual desublimation. Bringing all repressed sexual urges to the surface. Lack of sexual repression makes it easier to accept socialism, they imagine. I can imagine this process destroying the posibility of real desire though.

yes, also destruction of the family unit so it's just millions of isolated and powerless individuals vs the State.

 

[whodathunkit]

Too much judgments in the forum. What is considered taboo in western region doesn't mean it's taboo somewhere else. For example, it's perfectly normal to marry first cousin in arabic countries. Also, if a man marries your mother and he has a smoking hot daughter (what you call step-sister in your culture), you can bang her if she is ok with that.

Let the poor man be happy. Porn is fake and they are not banging their real sisters in the movie. Don't break his heart. No need.

I just gotta address this.

The thread has gotten a little off topic from the original question, but the tangents are part of what fed into my original anxiety that provoked the original question.

But I want to be clear that my rants are NOT about what adults consider taboo, or judgments, or anything else. My rants are a reaction to what I see as a disturbingly careless, thoughtless, cavalier, and relativistic attitude towards pedophilia, from what I consider to be a disturbing number of forum members.

As I said in an earlier post which you obviously didn't bother to read, I don't give a rat's nasty behind about incest between two people of age and emotional maturity to consent. Cousin marriage? Meh. I'm from the American South and Southerners have until pretty recently been semi-notorious for marrying cousins. Too many cousin marriages in the family tree and your kids wind up sitting in porch swings playing Dueling Banjos, but that's a whole other issue.

You want to have relations with your father or mother? Fine. I don't get it, but as long as you are of age and psychological capability to give informed consent, you're fine. Do it if it floats your boat. Not really my business.

Sex with your step? Again, not really a problem and not anyone else's business, as long as everyone is capable of consenting.

What I am talking about is sex with *children*. And adults forcing themselves sexually on children who are not ready and able to give informed consent to the sexual act is UNHEALTHY. It is WRONG. If the child is a member of the adult's family, that is even worse. But it's all WRONG.

Religion as written by men has been used to justify and rationalize all kinds of wants and needs OF THE MEN WHO WRITE THE TEXTS AND CLAIM TO RECEIVE THE WORD. If you think for a second that any God in any universe wants you to screw children or screw your own children, and is actually telling you it's okay, you're just a hypocrite seeking to justify your own needs. That is NOT GOD. That is men misusing the word of God to justify their baser desires and impose their rightness on those weaker than themselves.

Using your authority and size or and status in the community or whatever makes your powerful as a consenting adult to force *a child* who doesn't understand sex and isn't capable of deriving pleasure from it and who, further, who it is probably hurting physically and emotionally from the act, is WRONG. It is rank pedophilia, plain and simple. It doesn't matter who is perpetrating it or for what reason. If you can't find a consenting woman to satisfy you or can't be satisfied by a consenting woman, then something is wrong with you.

Using the example of religious text or religious figures to justify pedophilia IS WRONG. If they screwed children, they are nothing more than CREEPY PEDOPHILES. That's all.

Screwing little girls before the onset of menarche is WRONG.

That said, I don't necessarily consider the age of consent to be 18. That's an arbitrary determination created by lawmakers in order to enable creation and enforcement of laws. For some precocious few the age of consent could be 15. IMO many 16 y/o are probably capable of giving informed consent. But I will say that anyone younger than 14, even if they've begun to menstruate, is probably not able to psychologically capable of giving informed consent and so should be considered entirely "taboo".

 

[whodathunkit]

The site was all adult stories and as far as I could tell didn't specialize in incest or taboo stuff but I didn't really do much more than look at the first page with the story in question. I wouldn't treat your older relative any differently or think he is a freak.

Thanks for that. Again, to be clear, I was mostly still astonished and confused when I posted last night. The situation is also a little more complex than I can go into on a discussion board. But I think I've about sorted through it, and the gist of my sorting is that I'll handle appropriately now and if necessary going forward. I know my uncle wants to be a good man so I'm keeping that uppermost in my mind, since there is no evidence that he isn't.

As for my bestiality joke, I edited it out sometime after you must have quoted it because I was afraid my sarcasm wouldn't translate. For the record I think its wrong no matter what, consent or not :).

It translated fine with me. Although I was pretty serious when I replied. That is what I think. I do try not to judge as long as nobody's welfare is in danger, although it can be hard not to judge when you're not entirely on board with what's driving the issue. Objectively I'm all "Whatever you want to do", even if subjectively I'm all "Huh? Whut? *Really*??!!"

 

[milk_lover]

I just gotta address this.

The thread has gotten a little off topic from the original question, but the tangents are part of what fed into my original anxiety that provoked the original question.

But I want to be clear that my rants are NOT about what adults consider taboo, or judgments, or anything else. My rants are a reaction to what I see as a disturbingly careless, thoughtless, cavalier, and relativistic attitude towards pedophilia, from what I consider to be a disturbing number of forum members.

As I said in an earlier post which you obviously didn't bother to read, I don't give a rat's nasty behind about incest between two people of age and emotional maturity to consent. Cousin marriage? Meh. I'm from the American South and Southerners have until pretty recently been semi-notorious for marrying cousins. Too many cousin marriages in the family tree and your kids wind up sitting in porch swings playing Dueling Banjos, but that's a whole other issue.

You want to have relations with your father or mother? Fine. I don't get it, but as long as you are of age and psychological capability to give informed consent, you're fine. Do it if it floats your boat. Not really my business.

Sex with your step? Again, not really a problem and not anyone else's business, as long as everyone is capable of consenting.

What I am talking about is sex with *children*. And adults forcing themselves sexually on children who are not ready and able to give informed consent to the sexual act is UNHEALTHY. It is WRONG. If the child is a member of the adult's family, that is even worse. But it's all WRONG.

Religion as written by men has been used to justify and rationalize all kinds of wants and needs OF THE MEN WHO WRITE THE TEXTS AND CLAIM TO RECEIVE THE WORD. If you think for a second that any God in any universe wants you to screw children or screw your own children, and is actually telling you it's okay, you're just a hypocrite seeking to justify your own needs. That is NOT GOD. That is men misusing the word of God to justify their baser desires and impose their rightness on those weaker than themselves.

Using your authority and size or and status in the community or whatever makes your powerful as a consenting adult to force *a child* who doesn't understand sex and isn't capable of deriving pleasure from it and who, further, who it is probably hurting physically and emotionally from the act, is WRONG. It is rank pedophilia, plain and simple. It doesn't matter who is perpetrating it or for what reason. If you can't find a consenting woman to satisfy you or can't be satisfied by a consenting woman, then something is wrong with you.

Using the example of religious text or religious figures to justify pedophilia IS WRONG. If they screwed children, they are nothing more than CREEPY PEDOPHILES. That's all.

Screwing little girls before the onset of menarche is WRONG.

That said, I don't necessarily consider the age of consent to be 18. That's an arbitrary determination created by lawmakers in order to enable creation and enforcement of laws. For some precocious few the age of consent could be 15. IMO many 16 y/o are probably capable of giving informed consent. But I will say that anyone younger than 14, even if they've begun to menstruate, is probably not able to psychologically capable of giving informed consent and so should be considered entirely "taboo".

Writing this as if I like the idea of sex with kids. WTF are you smoking? Me likes to insert penis in girls with boobs and developed sex organs. Of course you have to bring religion into the mix and shyt on it. Ok maybe I made a mistake when I didn't read the whole thread because I was writing on my phone or maybe my friends came to my apartment and I wanted to write quick to say whatever is floating in my mind.

There are things that are clear wrong. Sexing children is a BIG FU**KING NO. I have to make that clear. I don't know why you brought the kids things up. Did I ever I mention it in my post? SMH..

 

[whodathunkit]

Writing this as if I like the idea of sex with kids. WTF are you smoking? Me likes to insert penis in girls with boobs and developed sex organs. Of course you have to bring religion into the mix and shyt on it. Ok maybe I made a mistake when I didn't read the whole thread because I was writing on my phone or maybe my friends came to my apartment and I wanted to write quick to say whatever is floating in my mind.

There are things that are clear wrong. Sexing children is a BIG FU**KING NO. I have to make that clear. I don't know why you brought the kids things up. Did I ever I mention it in my post? SMH..

Dude, you're taking it WAY too personally. I never said YOU. Talking generalities.

I also didn't bring religion up; @Infoleech did by referencing the bible:

Incest is rampant, even in the bible, lol.... There are a number of people who do not even know what the word means. I would have asked, but apparently, you are better than me. lol.

Then you posted this right after his post:

What is considered taboo in western region doesn't mean it's taboo somewhere

I honestly thought you said "western religion" . Can you see where I might think that, given the order of the posts and what you said?

I went off because I'm kind of tired of seeing the "religious relativism" argument being used to justify crazy crap that people do. Great Men from Abraham to Joseph Smith have been doing it for millennia to justify their various sexual compulsions, and it's simply tiresome. Just admit you're a perv and quit using God as your rationalization that you're not.

Obviously none of us are taking the time to fully read and comprehend what each other writes. Let's just let it be. It sounds like we're on the exact same side.

 

[milk_lover]

I didn't bring religion up; @Infoleech did by referencing the bible:


Then you posted this right after his post:


I honestly thought you said "western religion" . Can you see where I might think that, given the order of the posts and what you said?

I went off because I'm kind of tired of seeing the "religious relativism" argument being used to justify crazy crap that people do. Men from Abraham to Joseph Smith have been doing it for millennia to justify their various sexual compulsions, and it's simply tiresome.

Obviously none of us are taking the time to fully read and comprehend what each other writes. Let's just let it be. It sounds like we're on the exact same side.

It's cool no worries

Stupid English I sometimes write

 

[whodathunkit]

It's cool no worries

Stupid English I sometimes write

Yeah. Stupid English I am sometimes.

We're cool. Thanks. I do go on, occasionally.

 

[milk_lover]

Yeah. Stupid English I am sometimes.

We're cool. Thanks. I do go on, occasionally.

Human tendency, normal. But in all seriousness, I really really hope the elderly relative of yours did go into those shady areas by mistake. Unless he acts on it, can you give him the benefit of the doubt? Old people are usually not very tech savvy. Sometimes ads pop up left and right in porn sites and he could mistakingly click by mistake.

If it's 100% confirmed, then maybe talk to him privately with humility and kindness. I am afraid your relationship with him will not be the same if you open it up. That's behind my initial post in this thread; i.e., letting it go.

 

[kiran]

Since were on a ray peat forum, where many behavioural issues are blamed on heath, consider that this might caused by needing overstimulation to arouse to compensate for physical issues.

 

[whodathunkit]

Unless he acts on it, can you give him the benefit of the doubt?

That's where I've landed. Regardless of whatever unsurety I've felt, I am always sure he wants to be a good man. That's never in doubt. He may not see himself as one, but he definitely wants to be. So I'm rolling with that.

I've been hoping since I first saw that URL that it's just a click mistake.

Since were on a ray peat forum, where many behavioural issues are blamed on heath, consider that this might caused by needing overstimulation to arouse to compensate for physical issues.

Yep. I've considered that in general, even before this. That whole side of the family tends toward big-time serotonin brain, anyway.

 

[x-ray peat]

Since were on a ray peat forum, where many behavioural issues are blamed on heath, consider that this might caused by needing overstimulation to arouse to compensate for physical issues.

Its a viscous cycle as well. The required over-stimulation leads to decreased dopamine sensitivity which require ever higher levels of over-stimulation. Forget sex with a real woman, its too boring [sarc]. Like I said above, we are being systematically debased.

 

[kiran]

Forget sex with a real woman, its too boring [sarc].

Um, do we know if the guy is even getting laid?

 

[whodathunkit]

Um, do we know if the guy is even getting laid?

He's 83 and his wife is 85, both on multiple meds and not particularly well. I'm thinking not.

 

[schultz]

Old people are usually not very tech savvy. Sometimes ads pop up left and right in porn sites and he could mistakingly click by mistake.

or, maybe he clicked on it to see what it was because a member of the forum he frequents was worried about a family member having the URL in his/her search history.

A family member of "x-ray peat" will soon be wondering why x-ray peat is looking at incest literature online...

In all seriousness though, it actually could have been an accident...

Nobody mentioned whether the story about the father and daughter had the daughter as a child, but if it did, then that is disturbing. It's disturbing regardless, but sex with a child is one of the worst crimes imaginable, IMO. When I heard about bacha bazi in Afghanistan it made me sick, and sad for those boys, and perplexed at how a man can cause pain like that to a child. The Taliban made this crime punishable by death. Death is too lenient for something like that.