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Hi, been Peating for about a year now,
I supplement with Taurine, thyroid, red light, Vitamins ADEK, calcium, aspirin, niacinamide
I'll interchange uses between cypro and methylene blue. diet consists of OJ, milk, eggs, spinach, coffee, coconut oil, mushrooms, chicken, prawns, oranges, bananas, cheese, pate, sometimes liver, salami, occasional tortillas. avoidance of pufas.
Things appear to go from bad to worse, shaved my head november time, the top grows slowly and really thin whilst the back and sides grow really quickly and thick.
Honest to god my hair has never been so bad, Idk if this is temporary thinning or what, but it feels so depressing that i've invested so much time and money into keeping my hair and nothing is working.
Has anyone else experienced even more hair loss from peating, did it stop, has it slowed down
i need f*ckin help
 
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franc0

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Can we get an idea of your bloodwork?

And an idea of your day, nutrition and overall lifestyle

Stats?
I'm a 19 year old student in university, I don't have the funds to be able to get loads of blood tests.
My lifestyle is mainly sedentary, few times a week i'll do exercises in my room (pushups, sit ups, squats)
I wake up, make myself eggs spinach and mushrooms, have some milk, some OJ,
i'll pick on fruits or carrots, with gulps of milk and OJ here and there, Coffee is drunk throughout the day.
I socialise in the kitchen with my flatmates everyday, and do little bits of work throughout the day, I play guitar for at least half an hour. A snack would be a cheese, salami/ham and spinach tortilla
Standard dinner for me would look like sausages with vegetables both cooked in coconut oil and herbs, or prawns and rice for example.
I try make my days as relaxed as I can.
 

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Hi, been Peating for about a year now,
I supplement with Taurine, thyroid, red light Vitamins ADEK, calcium, aspirin, niacinamide
I'll interchange uses between cypro and methylene blue. diet consists of OJ, milk, eggs, spinach, coffee, coconut oil, mushrooms, chicken, prawns, oranges, bananas, cheese, pate, sometimes liver, salami, occasional tortillas. avoidance of pufas.
Things appear to go from bad to worse, shaved my head november time, the top grows slowly and really thin whilst the back and sides grow really quickly and thick.
Honest to god my hair has never been so bad, Idk if this is temporary thinning or what, but it feels so depressing that i've invested so much time and money into keeping my hair and nothing is working.
Has anyone else experienced even more hair loss from peating, did it stop, has it slowed down
i need f*ckin help

If you've been taking the taurine for awhile and haven't noticed any direct benefits from it, maybe it is doing something harmful and should be dropped since it could contain a lot of impurities due how it is synthesized. Since you have a shaved head, have you tried using Progeste-e (specifically) and a very small amount of dhea dissolved in olive oil || mct oil and rubbed into the scalp topically? Maybe a 20:1 ratio progesterone:dhea would be good.

Have you ever had a vitamin d test? What are the brands of the supplements you're using? Didn't you use steroids (i might be confusing you with someone else though)? Did you ever use fishoil?
 
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If you've been taking the taurine for awhile and haven't noticed any direct benefits from it, maybe it is doing something harmful and should be dropped since it could contain a lot of impurities due how it is synthesized. Since you have a shaved head, have you tried using Progeste-e (specifically) and a very small amount of dhea dissolved in olive oil || mct oil and rubbed into the scalp topically? Maybe a 20:1 ratio progesterone:dhea would be good.

Have you ever had a vitamin d test? What are the brands of the supplements you're using? Didn't you use steroids (i might be confusing you with someone else though)? Did you ever use fishoil?
Been taking taurine for bout 3 months now, but the last month or two i've just been spooning the stuff into my mouth cos the study saying it was effective stated you needed like 5 grams, so I'd say i've been getting bout 3 grams a day. My Taurine is from my protein.com and is stated as being 100% pure.
In terms of progest-e, are you talking about me rubbing that into my scalp? I rubbed this progesterone cream along my hairline and it thinned out, think that might have been because it wasn't progest-e, that's a maybe, but to anyone out there, be careful with what progesterone you use cos I think it might have f*cked my hairline, that or the hard boozing at the beginning of my time at uni.
I haven't tested my vitamin D levels but I'm pretty sure i'm getting like 3000IU's of D3 a day minimum, up to 8000IU occasionally. Sometimes I'll rub D3 and K2 into my scalp.
I'm using Health Natura supplements mainly, and no I didn't use steroids lol.
 
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The issue is, shotgunning fixes at the wrong target may be a waste of money.

Do you have any budget you could put toward a few tests? Getting an idea of prolactin, vitamin D and a couple other things can really give you a much clearer picture of what to work on versus the frustration of spinning wheels like this.

To take my situation I had zero progress and zero direction until I knew my actual prolactin level which was elevated. By that I can confidently assume my estro is up along with my serotonin. Also, i was at 5-8k a day of vitamin D for a year and my level fell to insufficient. So keep taking it but its not the be all end all.

Another cheap and free thing you need to do is get an idea of your temps throughout the day. Waking temp is a huge indicator here of thyroid function. Mine is 97.5 up from times of 97.1-.2 and even 96.x. Any idea what yours is?

Also, this is going to suck to read but your hairloss is likely a result of compromised health and metabolism. Spend the time and money on recovering the latter and the body will decide it is ok to have a good head of hair
 

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Been taking taurine for bout 3 months now, but the last month or two i've just been spooning the stuff into my mouth cos the study saying it was effective stated you needed like 5 grams, so I'd say i've been getting bout 3 grams a day. My Taurine is from my protein.com and is stated as being 100% pure.
In terms of progest-e, are you talking about me rubbing that into my scalp? I rubbed this progesterone cream along my hairline and it thinned out, think that might have been because it wasn't progest-e, that's a maybe, but to anyone out there, be careful with what progesterone you use cos I think it might have f*cked my hairline, that or the hard boozing at the beginning of my time at uni.
I haven't tested my vitamin D levels but I'm pretty sure i'm getting like 3000IU's of D3 a day minimum, up to 8000IU occasionally. Sometimes I'll rub D3 and K2 into my scalp.

Yeah, the progest-e is the only progesterone that Ray Peat recommends, you can find different sources here;
https://www.toxinless.com/progesterone
I've used it in the way I described a couple times and didn't notice any negative effects on my hair and it was also recommended by Peat in an interview (although I used a different ratio) found here;https://raypeatforum.com/community/...mation-and-osteoporosis-2012.5408/#post-63809
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HD: And then also you had mentioned earlier about making an oil rub for your head with natural progesterone, DHEA and olive oil.

RP: Yes, those are things that regenerate many skin functions including hair growth.

HD: So, if you took a little bit of olive oil and 25mg of DHEA and about 50mg of natural progesterone and you mix that all together, that’d last you for about a week?

RP: Yes, I've seen several people do it, but if you have some hair to start with it's kind of a sticky, oily mess, to put it on your scalp every day, that's why caffeine is a neater thing because you can't see it or smell it or feel it.
"

It's also the only progesterone that improved my veins, almost overnight after dissolving in some olive oil and rubbing it into them. haidut recently posted that research is indicating that atp is showing results in hair growth(https://raypeatforum.com/community/...quid-product-for-r-d.22322/page-6#post-322026) and progesterone increases the atp concentration in cells according to what I've read.

I think @charlie had said he noticed negative scalp health effects from taurine, also I would consider this interview with Ray; . Keep in mind supplements are not really regulated and I have no doubt the company and its chemists claims it is 100% pure, but its up to you. There's taurine in milk.
 

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The issue is, shotgunning fixes at the wrong target may be a waste of money.

Do you have any budget you could put toward a few tests? Getting an idea of prolactin, vitamin D and a couple other things can really give you a much clearer picture of what to work on versus the frustration of spinning wheels like this.

To take my situation I had zero progress and zero direction until I knew my actual prolactin level which was elevated. By that I can confidently assume my estro is up along with my serotonin. Also, i was at 5-8k a day of vitamin D for a year and my level fell to insufficient. So keep taking it but its not the be all end all.

Another cheap and free thing you need to do is get an idea of your temps throughout the day. Waking temp is a huge indicator here of thyroid function. Mine is 97.5 up from times of 97.1-.2 and even 96.x. Any idea what yours is?

Also, this is going to suck to read but your hairloss is likely a result of compromised health and metabolism. Spend the time and money on recovering the latter and the body will decide it is ok to have a good head of hair

What was your prolactin level? Do you notice your morning temps are lower when your lifting? I pretty much stopped because whenever I would lift my temps would just plunge
 

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From your diet I think you might have a high phosphate ratio relative to calcium (but a guess since you don't have explicit quantities listed), which would increase prolactin and thus hair shedding. Maybe think about getting more of your protein from dairy and gelatin and/or animal broth? Also I second the caution with taurine because, in my experience, taking much more than 0.2-0.5g/day can cause depression-like feelings for me. Not that you can't work up to higher doses, but it's something to take into consideration.
 

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What was your prolactin level? Do you notice your morning temps are lower when your lifting? I pretty much stopped because whenever I would lift my temps would just plunge
In January it was 18ng

I just looked back, no real difference aside from maybe some stress spikes back through november(easy lifting that ive since given up yet again). It doesnt seem to make a difference, im warmerish during the day, cold at night and in the morning. Even at 6 months no gym(this was summer too) no change in waking temp.
 

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Some things I think will help: Get about 30 min - hour of full body sun exposure a day (if you live in a place where you can't do this just get as much as you can), get more calories (especially if you are stimulating your metabolism not getting enough calories will just make your problem worse), increase antioxidant status (as you'll be producing a lot more ROS on your current supplement stack) matcha green tea is a favorite of mine for such things, dose the red light responsibility (most people here massively overdose on red light and end up damaging themselves rather than helping) you should get no more than 1 J/cm^2.
 

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I've been doing Peat for years, and it was only last week that I figured out that spinach is bad for me. I used organic baby spinach, cooked it well with salt, added butter, and I was dealing with the digestive fallout for days. If your morning mushrooms haven't been boiled for three hours, per Peat, I would take another look at those, too. Good luck.
 

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Keep your diet simple. You are taking way too many supplements and different foods.
Any of those supplements or foods can cause irritation of the intestines and prevent you from healing.
You can be healthy eating only a few foods like Meat, Milk and White rice, Coca-cola and Coffee with no supplements.
The simpler your diet, the easier it is for you to find out what works for you.
Try supplements only one at a time.
 

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i see it you have zero fiber XD then you wondering i would integrate some days with high fiber or at least one or two days in week where you take activated charcoal
 
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i see it you have zero fiber XD then you wondering i would integrate some days with high fiber or at least one or two days in week where you take activated charcoal
I forgot to put I eat raw carrots regularly, maybe once a week i'll have kidney beans cos they're high in fibre also, although I know they're not ideal.
what's the deal with activated charcoal, idek what its good for?
 
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Yeah, the progest-e is the only progesterone that Ray Peat recommends, you can find different sources here;
https://www.toxinless.com/progesterone
I've used it in the way I described a couple times and didn't notice any negative effects on my hair and it was also recommended by Peat in an interview (although I used a different ratio) found here;https://raypeatforum.com/community/...mation-and-osteoporosis-2012.5408/#post-63809
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HD: And then also you had mentioned earlier about making an oil rub for your head with natural progesterone, DHEA and olive oil.

RP: Yes, those are things that regenerate many skin functions including hair growth.

HD: So, if you took a little bit of olive oil and 25mg of DHEA and about 50mg of natural progesterone and you mix that all together, that’d last you for about a week?

RP: Yes, I've seen several people do it, but if you have some hair to start with it's kind of a sticky, oily mess, to put it on your scalp every day, that's why caffeine is a neater thing because you can't see it or smell it or feel it.
"

It's also the only progesterone that improved my veins, almost overnight after dissolving in some olive oil and rubbing it into them. haidut recently posted that research is indicating that atp is showing results in hair growth(https://raypeatforum.com/community/...quid-product-for-r-d.22322/page-6#post-322026) and progesterone increases the atp concentration in cells according to what I've read.

I think @charlie had said he noticed negative scalp health effects from taurine, also I would consider this interview with Ray; . Keep in mind supplements are not really regulated and I have no doubt the company and its chemists claims it is 100% pure, but its up to you. There's taurine in milk.

thanks mate,
What are your thoughts on using thyroid or pregnenolone instead, as I have a safe preg source and not progesterone or dhea
 

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Listen to me. You probably have bacterial overgrowth in the intestines and insulin resistance from all the milk and OJ. I recommend to you the ketogenic diet. It's great for hair but takes like a year to see results. I really wanna help you. Some of my best tips are: Increase potassium and magnesium alot. Don't stress. Sleep before 11 pm.

Good luck!
 

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Listen to me. You probably have bacterial overgrowth in the intestines and insulin resistance from all the milk and OJ. I recommend to you the ketogenic diet. It's great for hair but takes like a year to see results. I really wanna help you. Some of my best tips are: Increase potassium and magnesium alot. Don't stress. Sleep before 11 pm.

Good luck!
re you ****** kiddin me one year ketogenic diet i think you re a troll . I take no stock from ketogenic diet indepentely from raypeat. But i would say ok with 2 months but not a ****** year
 

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Just a reminder to anyone interested, this forum has a great Ignore feature found under the member's tab at the top left. Just type a members name in the search box on the right side, and then choose "ignore" on the right hand side.

Unfortunately, this forum attracts trolls of all kinds who aren't searching for debate, but just looking for attention in the form of argument.

Cheers!:D
 

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The vitamin D and calcium combination has been said to be potentially bad for health.
 

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