Notes Toward An "Optimal Peat Diet"

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Primal Blueprint Chart (for example)

For example, the Primal Blueprint Chart over at "Mark's Daily Apple":
 

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Perfect Health Diet Food Chart (for another example)

Or, another example, the Perfect Health Diet food chart, from their website (Perfect Health Diet).
Very nicely done, in my opinion!
 

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A Concise Peat Food Chart: Gnarly Prototype First Stab

Alright, I took a whack.
Lord help us if it's up to me with the art!
I know it is rife with screw-ups
and, even for me, basic problems.
Just a starting point.
I hope my scanned-in, hack chart loads here:



For starters, regarding how it's wrong or needs (duh) improvements:
-using the pyramid means using a linear hierarchy, which is problematic
-confusing in terms of: does "rank" on pyramid denote importance or volume or what?
-it would be better if we could come up with a more complex icon, like the ying/yang used by "PHD"
-I left out veggies completely, with the exception of potatoes, which Peat says is "more like a fruit"; should it go in with fruits? or possibly, in another iconic representation, be at least allied with it.
-Peat does really "recommend" veggies; says he regards as "condiments"; therefore perhaps include with that designation?
-"Safer Starches" are up at the top; one of the really thorny stumbling blocks in PeatDom in terms of how one views their place/volume; I put them up at the top, but some--like Cliff--could, I guess, place them at the foundation!; I'd stop short of saying Peat "recommends" what he calls (?) the "safer starches": white rice, masa harina
-I gave Potatoes a more prominent place because, while again I'm not sure I would say that Peat "recommends" them, he does say they are more like a fruit; very thorny; guess they could go down with fruits or in another kind of chart/icon could be allied with fruits
-meat, eggs, healthy fats...all problematic and thorny; just a first effort

I think the first challenge is to find an appropriate icon.
The PHD's chart is cool because they found a neat icon or even icons--
isn't it like yin/yang inside an apple (with stem and leaves)...?
 

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Re: Notes Toward a Handle like a "Basic Peat Diet" (BPD)

Could try and do something like this, Stevensmith put this together. Pyramids scare me! :lol:

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Apples, Pyramids, Cows, Oranges...

Just thinking about icons...
The Perfect Health chart, while elegant and informative and concise...
...the Apple is not really an appropriate image for them,
I wouldn't think.
They don't eat much fruit, do they?

I guess if we were looking for the most appropriate image
for a Peat chart
it would be a Cow.
ha.
Maybe an Orange within a Cow.
ha ha.
 

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Or a thyroid! :lol:
 

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Re: Notes Toward a Handle like a "Basic Peat Diet" (BPD)

Yeah, I like that graphic.
But it implies no relative ratios, amounts, etc.
I don't like the Pyramid either,
but I haven't dreamed up another cool icon yet.
The yin/yang inside the apple with the stem and leaves for Perfect Health Diet...
...that was good.

Charlie said:
Could try and do something like this, Stevensmith put this together. Pyramids scare me! :lol:

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Hey, that isn't a bad thought!
Organs do have some limitations in terms of there iconic beauty,
but then again the thyroid is kinduv a cooler looking organ.
Often said to resemble a Butterfly...
...hmmm....

Charlie said:
Or a thyroid! :lol:
 
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A Cow with and Orange Inside?

narouz said:
Just thinking about icons...
The Perfect Health chart, while elegant and informative and concise...
...the Apple is not really an appropriate image for them,
I wouldn't think.
They don't eat much fruit, do they?

I guess if we were looking for the most appropriate image
for a Peat chart
it would be a Cow.
ha.
Maybe an Orange within a Cow.
ha ha.

You know,
the more I think about it,
a Cow with an Orange inside of it...
...that might really work.

I mean, if the Orange was pretty big,
fitting just inside the image of the Cow...
1. It would be very accurate to Peat in terms of his foundation foods: dairy and orange juice.
2. It might be in the ballpark in terms of implied relative, rough ratios & amounts (2 qts milk to 1 qt OJ).
3. We could use the head for something, a leg for something, a hoof for somethng, the tail for something, the milk thing (what's that called?) for something.
4. It would be kinduv funny...arguably a good thing.

Just thinking aloud.
It would be much more faithful to Peat than PHD's apple yin yang is to PHD.
I would agree, however, that perfect accuracy sometimes should not override aesthetics....
 

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Udder.

I agree on finding a good image the way PHD did. Apples are pretty but wouldn't work for us. Cows are not too lovely design wise but maybe..
 
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"Peat Derived Diet Chart" (the Ultra Beta version)



Well, here's another take.
A new adjective popped into my head: "Derived"
By this I mean to indicate that I'm trying to derive or extrapolate or guess
based upon Peat's ideas.
Educated guesses.
Lot's of gray areas, thorny issues, arguable stuff...I know.

You may be able to tell that it is meant to be an Orange. :lol:
I decided one of the crucial things about a diet chart
is being able to readily get an idea about proportions,
so the simple, round shape of an orange was nice for that,
and fitting--partially--too,
what with the importance of fruit,
particularly oranges,
in Peat's world.

The leaves--not part of the orange proper--
I used to suggest foods that were not really recommended by Peat,
but that could be eaten without killin' ya.

I kinda liked the idea of an orange within a cow
for the basic icon,
but I started thinking that cow shape,
while true to Peat,
does not perhaps lend itself well to clearly representing proportions.
Maybe I'll try it sometime.
Wish I had PhotoShop
(and knew how to use it!) :oops:

You see that the "Dairy" and "Fruits" categories
stand in an approximately 2 to 1 ratio
taking the cue from Peat's frequent returns to his base statement about diet:
"Everyone should have at least 2 quarts of milk and 1 quart of orange juice."
(Actually, I'm quoting that from memory, so might be a little off, but I think that's the gist of it.)

Later I will make a page detailing the different categories,
especially the ones marked with asterisks.
I attached to those to categories which jumped out at me
as probably being particularly "thorny."

I gave "Potatoes" its own little category for maybe no good reason,
but Peat has spoken highly of potatoes and even remarked
that they are "more like a fruit than a vegetable."
(And so I placed the category adjacent to "fruits.")
I do realize that one might reasonably think it should not belong on the chart at all,
while others might, also reasonably, argue that it should have a vastly bigger wedge.

The relative sizes of the sections or wedges...
I took a stab at roughing in suggested relative proportions,
but I know they aren't very accurate; just a first take....
 

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Wow I really like that! :datsphatyo

An orange I think is perfect. With a list below it spelling out everything pretty much like perfect healthy diet does. You definitely got my vote for the orange. :cheers
 

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Well, I had been thinking an orange would be good design-wise, but now that I see it with that stem... I hate to say it but it looks like an imitation of PHD. As if we are copying that idea.

I thought of a glass milk bottle, but probably no good. Shape is okay but hard to mark the areas on it for different foods.

Maybe an orange without a stem would not look so copy cat... Maybe with concentric circles (oranges) put in according to the amounts or the importance of foods? Just thinking.

The "Derived" is good. Peat Inspired also.
 
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Birdie said:
Well, I had been thinking an orange would be good design-wise, but now that I see it with that stem... I hate to say it but it looks like an imitation of PHD. As if we are copying that idea.

I thought of a glass milk bottle, but probably no good. Shape is okay but hard to mark the areas on it for different foods.

Maybe an orange without a stem would not look so copy cat... Maybe with concentric circles (oranges) put in according to the amounts or the importance of foods? Just thinking.

The "Derived" is good. Peat Inspired also.

Birdie, they (PHD) have got a ying-yang icon Inside their apple.
Does that mean they Own the yin-yang?
I don't think so

And because PHD has a Stem on their apple,
does that mean
they own all Stems...?
 

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Concentric circular areas instead of pie cuts? Abstract kinds and orange shaped. Wait, the stem was good. It was the leaves that made it so PHD to me.
 
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Stems and Leaves

also Birdie:
The leaves--not part of the orange proper--
I used to suggest foods that were not really recommended by Peat,
but that could be eaten without killin' ya.

I never tried to copy PHD
with the stem and leaves.
It was just one of many orange images
available on the internet.
It came with the stem and leaves.

Also:
those attached parts,
the stem and leaves...
they are very useful metaphorically:
for parts of the diet which really aren't part of the diet.
Attached, but not positively "recommended"....
 
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Birdie said:
Concentric circular areas instead of pie cuts? Abstract kinds and orange shaped. Wait, the stem was good. It was the leaves that made it so PHD to me.

It's not a world-beater, aesthetically.
But it is Informational,
don't you think?
 
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Damn!
Just realized I have the 2 Big Categories reversed!
Need to swap
Dairy and Fruits. :eek:
 
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Fixed



I had the basic ratios reversed:
2 Milk
to
1 OJ

Fixed!
 

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Maybe the line in between healthy fats and coconut oil should be taken out?
 

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