Nofap As Hormonal Deficiency, Addiction Misunderstood, And DHT

[vulture]

One of the non-scientific articles I take seriously on the subject:

The general bodily effects of masturbation, apart from the effect on the generative system itself, are to be seen in a lack of energy or general lassitude, a weakened muscular system, an all-around lack of development, sometimes a dragging gait, weakness of the bladder, or urinary symptoms, a pale or sallow complexion, often with dark rings around the eyes, as well as pimples and blackheads, poor memory,. difficulty in study or mental concentration, lack of self-confidence, a tendency to avoid the society of others, especially that of the opposite sex, and an inability to look other people in the eye. Of course these symptoms are typical only of serious cases. When the habit has not been carried very far, or has not been productive of much harm, they will not be in evidence. The mental or psychic symptoms are especially important and may be observed in varying degrees. A naturally strong-minded character may overcome some of them as for instance the lack of confidence, by force of will, but in many cases these anti-social symptoms are extremely marked. Weakened memory and poor mental concentration are among the most persistent and common of such symptoms.

Bernarr Macfadden - Manhood and Marriage - part 1 The Harm of Masturbation

 

[LCohen]

Whole purpose of NoFap is about prolactin. Prolactin is what makes you feel like sh*t, tired, sluggish, cold. Count any hypothyroid effect.

That's why people are feeling better on NoFap or at least claim that. Crush your prolactin to zero with some safe dopamine agonists like bromo or piribedil. Dopamine is also best way to aim serotonin, since it's pure antagonist of serotonin. You will feel sooo good I promise you. I'm on 100mg piribedil daily for a week.

 

[vulture]

Whole purpose of NoFap is about prolactin. Prolactin is what makes you feel like sh*t, tired, sluggish, cold. Count any hypothyroid effect.

That's why people are feeling better on NoFap or at least claim that. Crush your prolactin to zero with some safe dopamine agonists like bromo or piribedil. Dopamine is also best way to aim serotonin, since it's pure antagonist of serotonin. You will feel sooo good I promise you. I'm on 100mg piribedil daily for a week.

Have you tried high dose cacao powder, B6 and E?
Those together shall reduce it
Cacao seems to help on dopamine, problem might be sped up gut transit, if you work on places you can't take a dump every 3 or 4 hours, you are screwed

 

[smith]

nvm, 2 much truth 4 u

 

[lampofred]

One of the non-scientific articles I take seriously on the subject:

Bernarr Macfadden - Manhood and Marriage - part 1 The Harm of Masturbation

It could also be that the same hormonal state that causes a desire to masturbate is also the cause of reclusiveness/low confidence/etc. Similarly to how diabetics crave sugar more than other people because they really need it, but then the diabetes is blamed on sugar instead of stress hormones and PUFA. I'm not saying masturbation is good because it definitely does weaken you, but it is often blamed as the root of all problems when more often than not excessive masturbation is only a symptom of a bigger problem. It might be a better use of willpower to fix the bigger problem instead of wasting it on NoFap.

 

[smith]

One of the non-scientific articles I take seriously on the subject:

Bernarr Macfadden - Manhood and Marriage - part 1 The Harm of Masturbation

yea but, masturbation WITH ejaculation or WITHOUT? Sigh. They're so amazingly different, any source that doesn't speak on them as separate things is almost definitely shilling for someone or something, like NoFap

 

[Sagitarrius90]

Just wanted to mention read the book you're brain on porn. Makes me never want to watch it again only ejaculation for me is with the misses. The whole no fap thing is basically we've adapted ourselves to porn which itself is very unnatural. It's like being at an all you can eat buffet 24/7. Whenever you get rewards without the work you should know it's not good. Junk food vs real food same thing. It's ruins you're dopamine increases prolactin increases estrogen receptors in the brain and lowers brain androgen receptors. Nofap is alot more than a mindless challenge there's alot more too it. Try it for 30 days and tell me how you feel. I'm not lying in saying that nothing has helped me in terms of motivation confidence energy and drive. No supplements no ideallabs supplements pharma products have helped.

Read the book.

 

[Jing]

Sexual arousal is not eustress. That gives the impression that it isn't an inborn characteristic. Eustress is stress that can be beneficial in the right amounts to the organism. When you label sexual arousal as eustress ( or stressful), you are directly stating that sexual arousal is the problem. It sounds a lot like religious ideology in my opinion.

Sexual arousal can definitely be a stressor , I'm on testosterone Injections and sometimes I will literally get so aroused that my appetite goes way down that I can't even eat and I will need to go toilet loads of times lol my body is definitely stressed at that point feels like an adrenaline rush .

 

[Frostee]

Sexual arousal can definitely be a stressor , I'm on testosterone Injections and sometimes I will literally get so aroused that my appetite goes way down that I can't even eat and I will need to go toilet loads of times lol my body is definitely stressed at that point feels like an adrenaline rush .

You're blaming the arousal as the stressor and not the testosterone injections themselves?

 

[Momado965]

Why hasnt OP confifmed if hed used dht or keto dht???

 

[Jing]

You're blaming the arousal as the stressor and not the testosterone injections themselves?

Well yh because this only happens when aroused....

 

[Vinero]

Just wanted to mention read the book you're brain on porn. Makes me never want to watch it again only ejaculation for me is with the misses. The whole no fap thing is basically we've adapted ourselves to porn which itself is very unnatural. It's like being at an all you can eat buffet 24/7. Whenever you get rewards without the work you should know it's not good. Junk food vs real food same thing. It's ruins you're dopamine increases prolactin increases estrogen receptors in the brain and lowers brain androgen receptors. Nofap is alot more than a mindless challenge there's alot more too it. Try it for 30 days and tell me how you feel. I'm not lying in saying that nothing has helped me in terms of motivation confidence energy and drive. No supplements no ideallabs supplements pharma products have helped.

Read the book.?

What about edging? Do you have to avoid edging as well to get the motivation, confidence, energy and drive benefits? Or is just avoiding orgasm good enough?

 

[Explorer]

One of the non-scientific articles I take seriously on the subject:

Bernarr Macfadden - Manhood and Marriage - part 1 The Harm of Masturbation

And somehow having sex suddenly does not cause those effects?

All those are the symptoms of Post Orgasmic Illness Syndrome and some sort of hormonal and nutritional deficiency type of thing

If one feels ***t after orgasming especially for days they have some sort of underlying health imbalance

I have never had dark circles around my eyes from orgasming even when doing it each day

 

[cgh4444]

Having sex is an entirely different biochemical process than ******* your hand and staring at a screen .

 

[rei]

Is eating eustress as well ?

It is, digestion consumes many resources and stresses the body. This is why you should not be constantly eating. You should not be constantly having sex or masturbate either. In both cases you are doing something generally undesirable that has become desirable in your current physiological state. Just as constantly consuming sugar can bypass stress metabolism when there is no glyogen storage capacity to rely on, so can constant masturbation "force" a shift in balance when normal homeostasis signals are so conflicted they fail to reach a good balance.

Taking excessive amounts of testosterone is a good way to arrive at such "need" to masturbate, your body would never be in such a balance normally and the natural way out of a state that causes high arousal is release.

 

[rei]

One of the non-scientific articles I take seriously on the subject:

Bernarr Macfadden - Manhood and Marriage - part 1 The Harm of Masturbation

That's just ridiculous mumbojumbo. So you can see someone that has plenty of sex from those symptoms, or it magically changes if you **** people instead of a doll or your hand?

 

[TheBeard]

That's just ridiculous mumbojumbo. So you can see someone that has plenty of sex from those symptoms, or it magically changes if you **** people instead of a doll or your hand?

It's actually pretty accurate in how people who masturbate look.

 

[Explorer]

It's actually pretty accurate in how people who masturbate look.

And how would suddenly the body know and decide to activate those symptoms when it is done on solo but somehow suddenly not do that when doing it with a partner when physically the mechanism is practically the same except more Oxytocin released during the actual intercourse?

Also for people those so-called negative symptoms vary, some claim to have hair loss from masturbating however I have never had that occur nor do I have those dark spots under eyes either because of that however I do get weird brain fog for a few days afterwards but it had disappeared while being sick with a cold so once again it proves that practically all of those "negative post orgasmic symptoms" are just the result of specific underlying health imbalances

In my case it is probably some form of mast cell activation disorder leading to an excessive amount of Histamine after orgasming

I get high Histamine symptoms like tighter feeling in the lung diaphragm area after orgasming and more mucus and such during POIS so that means there is some immunological cause behind it, on POIS community forums and subreddit many people have complete relief with antihistamines, Diclofenac, Hydroxizine and others have had POIS disappear by changing their gut microbiome

 

[rei]

It's actually pretty accurate in how people who masturbate look.

Yes, in those cases it applies can it be stressed people resort to masturbation to maintain an even occasionally normal balance? That people that are so stressed they don't get ***** as easily, and have to masturbate to have same frequency of ejaculation as ***** magnets? Are you maybe just maybe confusing correaltion with causation in the small sample you "know" this to apply in?

 

[Sam321]

With failing erections and libido, naturally I was drawn to nofap. I was committed, maybe not for year etc. Whereas nofap restored penile sensitivity it did nothing for my attraction to off-screen women and my wife. DHT has completely changed that for me. I am now stimulated by my wife and porn is mediocre at best.

For the 'addictive' component to porn. This is the same misunderstood addiction rhetoric as the establishment. Yes, sugar is addictive and as studies have shown this is due to the body's intuition on the materials necessary to heal itself (lower cortisol). Porn is a symptom, a cry from your brain for dopamine and stress relief.

I've been obese almost my whole life and I've had multiple traumatic brain injuries. This has most likely led to thyroid and neurosteroid insufficiencies. I'm rapidly moving away from these by supplementing steroids and thyroid.

"Porn is a symptom, a cry from your brain for dopamine and stress relief."

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