NLRP3 Inflammasome Cause Of Male Pattern Baldness

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info on Chrousos syndrome:

An unexpected, mild phenotype of glucocorticoid resistance associated with glucocorticoid receptor gene mutation case report and review of the literature

An unexpected, mild phenotype of glucocorticoid resistance associated with glucocorticoid receptor gene mutation case report and review of the literature.


“Glucocorticoid resistance, also named Chrousos syndrome, is a rare, sporadic or familial condition characterized by biochemically proven hypercortisolism without the clinical stigmata of Cushing syndrome, and by partial or generalized insensitivity to glucocorticoids. Due to this insensitivity, and thereby inadequate negative feedback, serum ACTH, and therefore cortisol production were compensatory stimulated. The chronic excess of ACTH results in an overstimulated steroid biosynthesis, including increased production of adrenal steroids with androgenic and/or mineralocorticoid activity [8, 9]. The clinical spectrum ranges from a completely asymptomatic form [10] to severe, life threatening conditions such as severe hypokalaemia, alkalosis or hypoglycaemia. In addition, hyperandrogenism (acne, hirsutism, infertility, oligo-amenorrhea in females, oligospermia and infertility in males, precocious puberty in children) [11] and mineralocorticoid excess (hypertension and hypokalemic alkalosis) [12] can also be observed. Fatigue is the most common sign of the disease [10]. The diagnosis is based on a detailed evaluation of the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal (HPA) axis. Measurement of serum cortisol levels in samples collected in the morning under fasting conditions, at midnight and after dexamethasone administration, together with evaluation of 24 h urinary-free cortisol excretion, are mandatory investigations for diagnosis. Serum cortisol and 24 h urinary free cortisol excretion remain elevated after administration of low dose dexamethasone [13]. Contrary to Cushing’s syndrome, in patients with Chrousos syndrome, the HPA axis preserves its circadian rhythm [13].”


This is pretty alarming. The article also mentions later on the there is increased adrenal DHEA -as also mentioned by Danny Roddy in his article

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Primary Generalized Glucocorticoid Resistance or Chrousos Syndrome
Primary Generalized Glucocorticoid Resistance or Chrousos Syndrome - Endotext - NCBI Bookshelf

"Clinical manifestations of androgen excess include ambiguous genitalia in a karyotypic female at birth and gonadotropin-independent precocious puberty in children of either gender; acne, hirsutism and decreased fertility in both sexes; male-pattern hair loss, menstrual irregularities and oligo-anovulation in females; and oligospermia in males (Table 1). The impaired fertility in both sexes has been attributed in part to the feedback inhibition of gonadotropin secretion by the elevated androgen concentrations, while the profound anxiety observed in some subjects is probably due to compensatory increases in hypothalamic CRH and AVP secretion. The latter might also predispose the patients to the development of an ACTH-secreting pituitary adenoma. Finally, the elevated circulating ACTH concentrations may be responsible for the observed growth of intra-testicular adrenal rests and oligospermia (47-58).

The clinical spectrum of Chrousos syndrome is broad, ranging from most severe to mild forms, and a number of patients may be asymptomatic, displaying biochemical alterations only (47-58) (Table 1). This variable clinical phenotype is due to variations in the tissue sensitivity of the glucocorticoid, mineralocorticoid and/or androgen receptor signaling pathways; variations in the activity of key hormone-inactivating or -activating enzymes, such as the 11β-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase (61) and 5α-reductase (62); and other genetic or epigenetic factors, such as the presence of insulin resistance and visceral obesity (58)."
 

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Of course it is. Low-protein diets increase autophagy, insulin sensitivity, longevity, etc. because an excess of certain amino acids stimulates the activation of the mTor pathway. and the suppression of controlled autophagy. You can basically get all of the benefits of fasting without restricting calories, at all.

Are all mTor-inhibitors are autophagy enhancers / mimetics?
Are AMPK-promoters autophagy mimetics ? (Necessarily? In both cases I mean. There are many such substances)
 

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I remember reading a thread on longecity about glucosamine being good for autophagy, not sure what this forum thinks of it though.
 

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Im trying to make sense of the comment guys explanation:


There is stress and inflammation

Nlrp3 detects the inflammation

Casp1 shows up as part of the inflammation reaction

Unfortunately Casp1 cleaves the glucocorticoid receptors

This induces glucocorticoid resistance / the glucocorticoids were supposed to fulfil the stress response, but they don’t

And so the inflammation persists

then androgens show up to assist in reducing the inflammation

However the androgens prevent autophagy (which would have been necessary for ending the inflammation and allowing hair growth)

and further perpetuate the Nlrp3 inflammation


Correct. Just some hair-splitting: Nlrp3 doesn’t detect the inflammation. It reacts to stressors of various kinds and then plays a part in initiating inflammation.
Otherwise that’s exactly like I interprete what „comment guy“ wrote as well.
 

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Nlpr3 seems to be a reason why too much testosterone gets converted to estrogen via aromatase.
If we assume here that androgens lead to nlrp3-activation and also prevent autophagy.
Estrogen is there to balance that out. A delicate homeostasis.
We also have indications here that too much of some androgens lead to fibrosis and similar degenerative effects on tissue, not unlike cortisol which in some way androgens seem to substitute for.

Im not well read in the mRNA-signaling stuff that seems to determine how androgens act.
Prostate cancer is an interesting field that gives some hints. Some androgens lead to relatively benign hyperplasia (still somewhat dysfunctional) but in castration resistant PC some androgen metabolites and activation of AR seem to prevent lethality.

It still needs to be found out if hair follicles are destroyed by apoptosis (possibly caused by AR genomic effects and prior fibrosis ) or if they are just Programmed to not produce hair.
In the first Case, no amount of autophagy Will cause regrowth. On the latter case, maybe
 

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In any case, the delicate balance among autophagy, senescence and apoptosis needs to be understood in every tissue, every condition separately. And in general as a Concept use as a blueprint to analyze things.

We have discussed in this thread some of the immunity factors that play into it, and hormonal. Mitochondrial, metabolic, energy perspective is still missing.
Apoptosis and senescence will surely determine follicle life and function just advice they do in development of cancerous cells.
And why the hell leads nlrp3 chronic ovractivify to downregulatio of GC activity? To prevent fibrosis when androgens do that too eventually? Or to prevent extreme cell destruction and death? Maybe that’s the point. Androgens will cause a lot of unwelcome tissue changes like fibrosis, hairloss, hyperplasia but it might prevent cancer or more direct and quicker death by glucocorticoids. Are fibrotic cells senescent cells or are fibrotic cells beyond „normal senescence already? Is fibrosis a sort of stopping senescence brutally or a suboptimal form of apoptosis?

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@emac

In addition to the androgen-article I recommended above for reading and understanding, this one is also essential to read:
Inflammasomes in Common Immune-Related Skin Diseases

It’s an overview of state of the art knowledge of nlrp3 and it’s actions

As suspected, its role and effects are tissue specific. More importantly, it offers what is known about possible therapeutics and inhibitors.
But it also is clear they nlrp3-activity can be due to gene-polymorphisms. That’s hard to treat and again hen and egg question.

Even more consequential for the hypothesis (and treatment chances based thereon)
is the fact that nlrp3 action and effects are fundamentally modulated by th1 or th2 dominance. So the hypothesis might (might!) only be valid for some people
 

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I don't know if your theory is correct but:

The LXR seems to inhibit NLRP3:
Liver X receptors agonists suppress NLRP3 inflammasome activation - PubMed
"In this study, LXRs agonists inhibited the induction of IL-1β production, caspase-1 cleavage and ASC oligomerization by NLRP3 inflammasome. The agonists also inhibited inflammasome-associated mtROS production. Importantly, the agonists inhibited the priming of inflammasome activation. In vivo data also showed that LXRs agonist prevented NLRP3-dependent peritonitis. In conclusion, LXRs agonists are identified to potently suppress NLRP3 inflammasome and the regulation of LXRs signaling is a potential therapeutic for inflammasome-driven diseases."
LXR ligands are oxysterols (among potential other). 4β-Hydroxycholesterol is one of them.
This oxysterol seems to be found in higher quantity in women:
4β-Hydroxycholesterol, an endogenous marker of CYP3A4/5 activity in humans - PubMed
"The concentration of 4β-OHC was higher in women than in men, confirming previous studies indicating a gender difference in CYP3A4/5-activity."​

By the way, the LXR seems to be involved in cardiovascular diseases, while they are associated with hair loss.

I remember that some oxysterols are more effective than lanosterol in anti-kataract eyedrops and Lanosterol is used in cosmetic industry to promote growth of eye-lashes! @emac

I read to much stuff. A Travis-ty
 

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I remember that some oxysterols are more effective than lanosterol in anti-kataract eyedrops and Lanosterol is used in cosmetic industry to promote growth of eye-lashes! @emac

I read to much stuff. A Travis-ty

I saw a publication saying (seemed controversial with other publications IIRC) that 25-hydroxycholesterol, which is also an LXR agonist, would also be a product of CYP3A4:

"In cells that overexpressed human recombinant CYP3A4, the activity of cholesterol 25-hydroxylation was found to be higher than that of cholesterol 4β-hydroxylation, a known marker activity of CYP3A4. In addition, 25-hydroxycholesterol concentrations in normal human sera correlated positively with the levels of 4β-hydroxycholesterol"
The serum level difference between male and female might more pronounced.
 

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We have discussed in this thread some of the immunity factors that play into it, and hormonal. Mitochondrial, metabolic, energy perspective is still missing.

Focusing on metabolics, increased glycolitic flux (as per M1 macrophages) increases cytosolic succinate and citrate levels promoting pseudohypoxia (via PHD inhibition) and de novo FA synthesis respectively. HIF-1alpha trascriptionally upregulates things like pro-IL-1beta (Hypoxia-inducible factors as essential regulators of inflammation) and hypoxia is associated with macrophage NLRP3 induction (Error - Cookies Turned Off). While the associated de novo FA synthesis can support pro-inflammatory pathways as per TLR-driven early glycolytic reprogramming via the kinases TBK1-IKKε supports the anabolic demands of dendritic cell activation.

It stands to reason that alpha-ketoglutarate supplementation might counter the succinate increase and HIF-1alpha stabilisation and, indeed, increased AKG levels can help steer macrophages to a M2 polarization (α-ketoglutarate orchestrates macrophage activation through metabolic and epigenetic reprogramming - PubMed).

It's also notable the possible importance of choline. As per Choline Uptake and Metabolism Modulate Macrophage IL-1β and IL-18 Production - ScienceDirect and Choline uptake is vital for IL-1β-driven inflammation, choline, via CHoK, is needed for PC synthesis and mito. stability. Blockade of this choline pathway alters the lipid profile lowering mito. ATP synthesis, increasing AMPK and resulting in mitophagy-led reduction in ox-mtDNA.

I'll also add that perturbed sterol trafficking is a worthy consideration in NLRP3 activation as per Trafficking of cholesterol to the ER is required for NLRP3 inflammasome activation | Journal of Cell Biology | Rockefeller University Press and Cholesterol Homeostatic Regulator SCAP-SREBP2 Integrates NLRP3 Inflammasome Activation and Cholesterol Biosynthetic Signaling in Macrophages - ScienceDirect. Incidentally, cholesterol disturbances are also a major factor in membrane physiology, notably lipid rafts, and thus affect TLRs, NF-KB and canonical inflammasome priming.
 
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„, the inability to activate the NLRP3 inflammasome was traced to perturbed cholesterol trafficking to the ER but not the PM. Accordingly, acute cholesterol depletion in the ER membranes by statins abrogated casp-1 activation and IL-1β secretion and ablated NLRP3 inflammasome assembly. By contrast, assembly and activation of the AIM2 inflammasome progressed unrestricted. Together, this study reveals ER sterol levels as a metabolic rheostat for the activation of the NLRP3 imflammse“
 

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...yep, have to say also find that last study on the role of SCAP-SREBP-2 ER-to-Golgi translocation and cleavage particularly fascinating:

"Our results revealed that specific siRNA-mediated reduction of S1P but not S2P resulted in marked suppression of NLRP3 inflammasome activation (Figures 4A–4D, S4D, and S4E). These results are in line with the report that the release of SCAP from the Golgi depends on the cleavage of SREBP protein by S1P but not S2P (Shao and Espenshade, 2014), suggesting a requirement of SCAP release from the Golgi for optimal NLRP3 inflammasome activation."

"We observed that ATP stimulation re-localized NLRP3 to regions very close to the Golgi membranes (Figure 6E; Videos S2 and S3). In the resting state, the mitochondria were string-like in shape (Figure 6E; Video S1). In contrast, dot-like mitochondrial clustering, representing damaged mitochondria and thought to provide several factors necessary for NLRP3 activation (Próchnicki and Latz, 2017, Zhou et al., 2011), was observed adjacent to the Golgi membranes with NLRP3 (Figure 6E; Videos S2 and S3), in line with a very recent study showing that activation of the NLRP3 inflammasome induces mitochondrial clustering around the Golgi (Zhang et al., 2017). To confirm these observations, we studied subcellular fractions from THP1-V5-SCAP macrophages. Notably, NLRP3 was substantially detected in the Golgi fraction (Figure 6F), and more importantly, SCAP and NLRP3 were both detected in the mitochondrial fraction in a roughly similar manner upon nigericin stimulation (Figure 6G). Last, using super-resolution and 3D-SIM, we observed that a portion of NLRP3 was localized close to both SCAP and the COPII protein Sec23A (Figure S6C), suggesting that the COPII-coated vesicles may also be used by SCAP for NLRP3 transport during inflammasome activation. Altogether, we hypothesized that the interface between Golgi and mitochondrial clustering may provide a platform for NLRP3 inflammasome activation."

"Mechanistically, NLRP3 associated with SCAP-SREBP2 to form a ternary complex which translocated to the Golgi apparatus adjacent to a mitochondrial cluster for optimal inflammasome assembly. Our study reveals that, in addition to controlling cholesterol biosynthesis, SCAP-SREBP2 also serves as a signaling hub integrating cholesterol metabolism with inflammation in macrophages."

Building on this, https://journals.physiology.org/doi/full/10.1152/ajpheart.00096.2012 notes crosstalk between Nf-KB signalling and cholesterol synthesis via SCAP-SREBP2.
 
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A very interesting discussion. I know next to nothing about NLRP3, even though I recognize the term; did not came to read much on it. Fibrosing of tissue is also quite important, and my reading of salt intakes and possible true allowances mentioned fibrosis, NaCl overconsumption and TGF-Beta together. I still feel that unphysiologic, high salt intakes, as we are consuming due to tradition, customs and not physiologic need, are an easy to avert health danger, the yanomamo peoples in south america seem to fare well with a default intake provided by the sustenance they consume, and not by a salt shaker. One possible aggravating factor would be increased androgenic tone, because androgenicity seems to be associated with increased salt retention.


Vascular consequences of dietary salt intake
Paul W Sanders
American Journal of Physiology-Renal Physiology 297 (2), F237-F243, 2009
Animal and human studies support an untoward effect of excess dietary NaCl (salt) intake on cardiovascular and renal function and life span. Recent work has promoted the concept that the endothelium, in particular, reacts to changes in dietary salt intake through a complex series of events that are independent of blood pressure and the renin-angiotensin-aldosterone axis. The cellular signaling events culminate in the intravascular production of transforming growth factor-β (TGF-β) and nitric oxide in response to increased salt intake. Plasticity of the endothelium is integral in the vascular remodeling consequences associated with excess salt intake, because nitric oxide serves as a negative regulator of TGF-β production. Impairment of nitric oxide production, such as occurs with endothelial dysfunction in a variety of disease states, results in unopposed excess vascular TGF-β production, which promotes reduced vascular compliance and augmented peripheral arterial constriction and hypertension. Persistent alterations in vascular function promote the increase in cardiovascular events and reductions in renal function that reduce life span during increased salt intake.
 
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Thanks @rob - fascinating research. It's amazing what can be observed in cells and organelles these days or at least modelled.

Think about the complexity. In the end, even location and form of single "players" in and out of cells determine fucntion. The variety and possible combinations are certainly numerous. And these things too depend on myriad of factors. Nearly endless complexity.

So, to put it very simple:
Cholesterol in cells play a major part in immune- or inflammatory situation. External cholesterol a well as in-situ/de novo seynthesized I uderstand? And that is somehow prompted by ATP stimulaton.

Somehow as cited study above indicates, Cholesterol musn't be transported to ERs. Or maybe in some other way be prevented to signal on them to prevent NLP3 cascade normally inititaed by that. I have absolutely no clue as to why that all is.
 

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I know next to nothing about NLRP3, even though I recognize the term; did not came to read much on it.

Me neither, but the cascade - if as outlined here really functins like that - seems to possibly bring a lot of logical order and resolve some estrogen/androgen-paradoxes in some central pathologies like fibrosis, cancer. Though the metabolic angle is just as important an as we just begin to figure out, influences things just as much as exogenous pathogens it seems.
 

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All this has to do with insulin. When u get dysfunctional glucocorticoid action u end up with localized insulin resistance if my research is correct cortisol can put insulin in the cell by way of potassium and. Sebocyte derived leptin has a huge part to play in all this causing peripheral localized insulin resistance
 
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