New Year: Trump And Bannon - Who Lost Whom? Who Is The Real Loser?

[yerrag]

Just wanted to see what your thoughts are on this development.

These are real policy divisions, or not? Will the Democrats be able to take advantage? Will Trump become even less popular? Is this even a policy split, or a split between loyalty to son and loyalty to nationalist ideals? Will this end up becoming a Greek tragedy on a world stage?

 

[Westside PUFAs]

Will the Democrats be able to take advantage?

No because of people like this who want to become the leader of the Democrats. She doesn't realize that hurts the Democrats because it turns many white working class people away, who think of themselves as blue collar democrats but now because of people like her and the new left, they will vote for the republicans. Regardless of what happens with DT, there is a whole new generation of people who will be voting in the mid-terms and future elections who will not be voting for Democrats. Many of these people don't even fit the term of "conservative" but because of the new left, that took the work liberal, which comes from liberty, redefined it and got on the bus to crazy town with Antifa, BLM, college students, social media like BuzzFeed, social justice etc., they can not vote for them. The exception is if someone is a weak candidate like Moore. It's only going to get worse because the new left won't stop harassing people but what they fail to realize is that they will lose elections because more people disagree with them than agree, at least in terms of who actually votes.

 

[Westside PUFAs]

Also, it's not just working class whites. There are millions of hispanics, middle eastern, east indian, black and asian americans who also do not agree with the new left and will vote republican. Especially middle eastern and asian because they care a lot about low taxes. They want to keep their money.

 

[yerrag]

If what you say rings true, California will turn Republican. As well as New York.

 

[Westside PUFAs]

If what you say rings true, California will turn Republican. As well as New York.

No they will never but CA and NY don't matter. It's the purple states, the swing states that matter: Florida, Iowa, Michigan, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Virginia, Indiana and Wisconsin.

 

[yerrag]

I know. But those constituents you mention- aren't they what keep New York and California blue?

 

[Westside PUFAs]

Not completely. Not all of them are that far left but they still vote every 4 years for the democrat. They even voted for John Kerry in 04, who was a really weak candidate. He won NY and CA and he still lost. In the swing states, there is enough of a split down the middle of people so thats why they matter. And that split is only becoming more tense as more and more Americans turn of voting age and are interested in politics, not to mention the already old enough people who switch.

 

[BigYellowLemon]

Nope, they're still best buddies (Bannon thinks Trump is the 'Grey Champion'), this is just a purely political move motivated by the gains it will bring their group/Trump. Just a strategy to beat their enemies. This move has been brewing for months now.

 

[yerrag]

Not completely. Not all of them are that far left but they still vote every 4 years for the democrat. They even voted for John Kerry in 04, who was a really weak candidate. He won NY and CA and he still lost. In the swing states, there is enough of a split down the middle of people so thats why they matter. And that split is only becoming more tense as more and more Americans turn of voting age and are interested in politics, not to mention the already old enough people who switch.

I think what happened in the national elections may just portend what happens in these coastal states. There may appear to be a wide chasm between the coastal states and the heartland states, but they are still connected, and the pin drop into the lake is taking time to develop into a tsunami, and when it hits, it will just hit the California and New York democrats hard. And they will once again say they didn't see it coming lol.

But what we're talking about isn't about what's happening between Trump and Bannon, but what's happening despite the friction between them. So it's not that Trump is doing so well then? But about the Dems being so unmoored from reality, that any village idiot could take them on?

Nope, they're still best buddies (Bannon thinks Trump is the 'Grey Champion'), this is just a purely political move motivated by the gains it will bring their group/Trump. Just a strategy to beat their enemies. This move has been brewing for months now.

That video still rings true to the present it seems. It could be that Bannon is playing bad cop, and Trump the good cop. And together, Trump can offer the establishment Republicans the choice of working with him or being thrown to the dogs of Bannon. Bannon plays that role to a T. He isn't afraid to be caricatured and mischaracterized and be made a villain. Bannon knows he's not a fool, and isn't going to be made a fall guy, and knows there's little downside for him. And if there's trust between them, they can use their good cop-bad cop routine to their advantage.

Still, it's not like they're high school best buddies, and there are still a lot of things that affect their relationship. Trump's children and in-laws and their own disposition and interests are not certain to align with Trump's own, and if Trump's muddling through all this, and relying on tactics in the absence of a defined strategy can unravel. So far, it hasn't, and what has turned out hasn't been disastrous, and has been surprisingly working out for the better, and it's easy to say Trump has this figured out all along from the start. But is this actually what's going on?

 

[Westside PUFAs]

 

[yerrag]

Bannon is now out of Breitbart. At this point, a footnote in history, in all likelihood. It now seems to me that the Trump election victory is a pyrrhic one. The climax was election night, and the one overriding achievement of it was that it stopped Hillary Clinton from assuming her coronation. Disaster was averted, albeit only temporarily. The forces aligned against MAGA are too great for Bannon to hold the pillars of the White House together from crumbling. Trump was great at capturing the imagination of the electorate, especially those of the heartland, but he was not good at execution of MAGA. His priorities were easily realigned by the Kushner and Ivanka, and the Goldman crew they brought in. If Trump mirrors Bannon's goals in a nationalist agenda, this would have been a coup. But Trump wasn't really all that committed to MAGA, and the erosion of his promises is what's going to result. In his second year, Trump is slowly going to become more and more of a lame duck president, a prisoner of the establishment. The ship has lost its bearing. The hope that sustains it is lost, never to come back.

This is a loss to the populist cause to the power of money and vested interests, not just in the US, but to other countries whose population are held hostage to the vagaries of globalization. A populist resurgence in the US not only benefits the people of the United States. Making America Great Again is also about making the world great again. Conforming to a global dictate requires the suppression of the diverse cultures that exist in individual nations. Appreciating the Appalachia is as much as an appreciation of indigenous culture around the world.