Myoclonus, what to do?

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Drinking milk does not solve
eating grinded egg shells also does not solve
supplementing magnesium 240-480mg a day does NOTHING


i always have this problem(mildly), but when i started working, it intensified and then i could not work anymore, it was a disaster for me, since working was the only good thing i did in my whole teenagerhood

sad that i have all kinds of insonimia, it happens in many different forms at different times. Some times i sleep well, but its just start doing physical work that i get ruinned again
 
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This is a good site for 'vaccine' injury treatment

 
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Evaluate if things get better with charcoal and avoidance of fiber.

For me, it seems to be a roughage problem possibly increasing serotonin too much.
 

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Let me guess, if you're sedentary you sleep relatively well and get no jerks, but if you workout you jerk awake and have problem with sleep onset. It's called exercise induced insomnia. Myoclonic jerks are often a symptom.

You won't find solution to your problems on this forum.

How old are you and when did it start or you? What do you eat?
When it started for you, were you under a lot of heavy physical and mental stress?
 
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Let me guess, if you're sedentary you sleep relatively well and get no jerks, but if you workout you jerk awake and have problem with sleep onset. It's called exercise induced insomnia. Myoclonic jerks are often a symptom.

You won't find solution to your problems on this forum.

How old are you and when did it start or you? What do you eat?
When it started for you, were you under a lot of heavy physical and mental stress?
This forum has been beyond helpful to many souls in so many ways. This is not a forum to diagnose or treat medical diseases. It's people sharing their opinions and experiences.
 

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This forum has been beyond helpful to many souls in so many ways. This is not a forum to diagnose or treat medical diseases. It's people sharing their opinions and experiences.
And I'm sharing my opinion as a member of this forum with identical condition.

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Myoclonus is a symptom of serotonin poisoning. Have you tried cyproheptadine?
I have. It helps temporarily. But sometimes higher doses are needed and it is a band-aid approach.

My symptoms improve when I sleep in, a lot, and when I eat minimally gut irritating foods, as in low fiber. This might also be a band-aid approach though...
 

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Understood.
I hope you get better 😔
It's been a year now, but it's been getting better, thank you.

It's a culmination of eating a low carb diet, caloric deficic, working out, work stress and family stress, a big shitfest.
I think I have developed some kind of PTSD. At the worst I would only sleep for 2h hours at a time, every second day, for several months. I would all be falling asleep and then wake up to loud noises/bangs/explosions or screaming, all imaginary of course, created by my mind. Then it slowly got better and I would only get hypnic jerks If I worked out on that day. Now I don't get hypnic jerks anymore but sleep is still terrible if I exercise during the day or if it's too hot which is annoying because I'm from Eastern Europe, but experiencing tropical climate weather.
 

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Have you seen Chris Masterjohn's youtube episodes on twitching? I think he is still trying to figure it out but reports fully resolved symptoms with beta-alanine and B6 (I think p5p). Many months later he might have reported a recurrence. He also discusses how much money he spent with specialists for MRI and nerve dx procedures, all for nothing. I can't link the videos now (work blocked) but do look em up - they are insightful and might give you ideas.

I personally think serotonin might be the issue for me and it might be for many. I am not sure if EMF increases serotonin in any way, but being exposed to high levels of EMF during the day almost always worsens my symptoms at night....

What is shocking for me is the amount of people complaining about such symptoms. Restless leg, hypnic jerks, myoclonus, the-shakes, tremors, and twitches. It is sounding like an epidemic.

Although there are many threads like this on these forums, I'd love for more people to share their new experiences.

Edit: some forum members here advocate thiamine. I have seen videos and stories of borderline miraculous resolution of such symptoms with thiamine. So far, thiamine has not helped me much, but I will continue to take it for a while and will make a post if things improve. Dr. Costantini on youtube (RIP) has some fun recovery videos.
 

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Have you seen Chris Masterjohn's youtube episodes on twitching? I think he is still trying to figure it out but reports fully resolved symptoms with beta-alanine and B6 (I think p5p). Many months later he might have reported a recurrence. He also discusses how much money he spent with specialists for MRI and nerve dx procedures, all for nothing. I can't link the videos now (work blocked) but do look em up - they are insightful and might give you ideas.

I personally think serotonin might be the issue for me and it might be for many. I am not sure if EMF increases serotonin in any way, but being exposed to high levels of EMF during the day almost always worsens my symptoms at night....

What is shocking for me is the amount of people complaining about such symptoms. Restless leg, hypnic jerks, myoclonus, the-shakes, tremors, and twitches. It is sounding like an epidemic.

Although there are many threads like this on these forums, I'd love for more people to share their new experiences.

Edit: some forum members here advocate thiamine. I have seen videos and stories of borderline miraculous resolution of such symptoms with thiamine. So far, thiamine has not helped me much, but I will continue to take it for a while and will make a post if things improve. Dr. Costantini on youtube (RIP) has some fun recovery videos.
I will check Masterjohn out later, but I haven't seen him in a while. I've just now noticed that you can't link the video. Skipped it earlier.

I also think that a lot of people in general and on this forum who are suffering from insomnia and sleep problems are actually suffering from exercise induced insomnia, but they haven't put the 2 and 2 together. Some people need a full workout for symptoms (ranging from just inomnia, to insomnia with hypnic jerks, overheating, high adrenaline symptoms etc.) to appear and some people just need a brisk 20 min walk outside, which is why it can be so hard to pinpoint. Experimentation is required. The best way would be to limit ANY physical exertion for a week a see if sleep improves.

A 13 pages long thread of people with the same problem.
 
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Thanks for the answers everybody!
Evaluate if things get better with charcoal and avoidance of fiber.
you mean activated charcoal? i was thinking about that back then for constipation.
Let me guess, if you're sedentary you sleep relatively well and get no jerks, but if you workout you jerk awake and have problem with sleep onset. It's called exercise induced insomnia. Myoclonic jerks are often a symptom.

You won't find solution to your problems on this forum.

How old are you and when did it start or you? What do you eat?
When it started for you, were you under a lot of heavy physical and mental stress?
when iam sedentary its 0 zerks, but how i said i have all kinds of insomnia, these days i have been wake up by nightmares and takes hours to fall asleep again afater that.
but the main problem is : then i cant work =(.

i was sedentary for most of my teenagerhood, but i remember it started when i was about 16, but when i started working(17) it got a lot worse. I was not under heavy physical stress, i was doing the same king of work that my father did for 47 years, it was fun. But i was through mental stress, i belive it contributed. but this year i have basicalyy very little mental stress, and iam still with this thing.
Some useful reading
thanks, but i have supplement b1 for months ( with mag) and for me it does nothing =(

i will ready about the vaccines
 

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Thanks for the answers everybody!

you mean activated charcoal? i was thinking about that back then for constipation.

when iam sedentary its 0 zerks, but how i said i have all kinds of insomnia, these days i have been wake up by nightmares and takes hours to fall asleep again afater that.
but the main problem is : then i cant work =(.

i was sedentary for most of my teenagerhood, but i remember it started when i was about 16, but when i started working(17) it got a lot worse. I was not under heavy physical stress, i was doing the same king of work that my father did for 47 years, it was fun. But i was through mental stress, i belive it contributed. but this year i have basicalyy very little mental stress, and iam still with this thing.

thanks, but i have supplement b1 for months ( with mag) and for me it does nothing =(

i will ready about the vaccines
Do a steroid hormones panel. Total T, SHBG, free T, E2. If you do it'd be cool it you shared it. If you can't do it alone then ask your father to help you out. Or just go to your family doctor. I do all my blood tests in a private health clinic. Also what do you eat? If you do any kind of stimulants like caffeine or nicotine then drop them and don't look back. There's also caffeine in regular tea or chocolate.
 
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I've experienced similar symptoms since Nov 2021 when I got "COVID". Horrible sleep, increased stress with decreased tolerance to it. At it's worst or if I push too hard before resting or continue lifting too many days in a row, I'll feel vibrations throughout my body and cannot steady my movements, even with intense concentration.

Agree that cypro helps a lot during the day, but has diminishing returns - hurts my sleep even more at night and eventually "feels" less effective - tolerance?

I've tried an incredible number of strategies and have slowly gotten better. I'd say I'm 70%. I get the sense that it's a combination of high serotonin, cortisol & adrenaline/epinephrine.

Things that I think have helped the most, but is just speculative:

1. Prioritize rest and sleep before I crash
2. Little to no alcohol
3. Mediation with red lights/IR/NIR lights
4. High dose aspirin - 500mg, 4 times per day - not bayer due to ingredients that cause health problems
5. Focusing on boosting mitochondrial
5a. Cardarine, pyrucet, mildronate, (cardenosine or the individual ingredients within it - Cardenosine - Liquid Product For R&D , phosphatidic acid.

6. Cortisol lowering compounds - cyproheptadine, emodin, testosterone, anabolic steroids - medically dosed, progesterone, pregnenolone, eating more carbs, getting off keto.

Hope some of this helps you guys. I'll follow this as well since I'm still not recovered 100%; Primarily due to my inability to sleep well.
 

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I've experienced similar symptoms since Nov 2021 when I got "COVID". Horrible sleep, increased stress with decreased tolerance to it. At it's worst or if I push too hard before resting or continue lifting too many days in a row, I'll feel vibrations throughout my body and cannot steady my movements, even with intense concentration.

Agree that cypro helps a lot during the day, but has diminishing returns - hurts my sleep even more at night and eventually "feels" less effective - tolerance?

I've tried an incredible number of strategies and have slowly gotten better. I'd say I'm 70%. I get the sense that it's a combination of high serotonin, cortisol & adrenaline/epinephrine.

Things that I think have helped the most, but is just speculative:

1. Prioritize rest and sleep before I crash
2. Little to no alcohol
3. Mediation with red lights/IR/NIR lights
4. High dose aspirin - 500mg, 4 times per day - not bayer due to ingredients that cause health problems
5. Focusing on boosting mitochondrial
5a. Cardarine, pyrucet, mildronate, (cardenosine or the individual ingredients within it - Cardenosine - Liquid Product For R&D , phosphatidic acid.

6. Cortisol lowering compounds - cyproheptadine, emodin, testosterone, anabolic steroids - medically dosed, progesterone, pregnenolone, eating more carbs, getting off keto.

Hope some of this helps you guys. I'll follow this as well since I'm still not recovered 100%; Primarily due to my inability to sleep well.
Oh yeah I forgot about alcohol. After it started for me nothing gives me insomnia like alcohol does.
 

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I've experienced similar symptoms since Nov 2021 when I got "COVID". Horrible sleep, increased stress with decreased tolerance to it. At it's worst or if I push too hard before resting or continue lifting too many days in a row, I'll feel vibrations throughout my body and cannot steady my movements, even with intense concentration.

Agree that cypro helps a lot during the day, but has diminishing returns - hurts my sleep even more at night and eventually "feels" less effective - tolerance?

I've tried an incredible number of strategies and have slowly gotten better. I'd say I'm 70%. I get the sense that it's a combination of high serotonin, cortisol & adrenaline/epinephrine.

Things that I think have helped the most, but is just speculative:

1. Prioritize rest and sleep before I crash
2. Little to no alcohol
3. Mediation with red lights/IR/NIR lights
4. High dose aspirin - 500mg, 4 times per day - not bayer due to ingredients that cause health problems
5. Focusing on boosting mitochondrial
5a. Cardarine, pyrucet, mildronate, (cardenosine or the individual ingredients within it - Cardenosine - Liquid Product For R&D , phosphatidic acid.

6. Cortisol lowering compounds - cyproheptadine, emodin, testosterone, anabolic steroids - medically dosed, progesterone, pregnenolone, eating more carbs, getting off keto.

Hope some of this helps you guys. I'll follow this as well since I'm still not recovered 100%; Primarily due to my inability to sleep well.
That's very helpful, friend.

Thank you.

Fingers crossed, but for two days straight now I've been almost perfect. The difference is 3 things I am doing. About a gram of aspirin per day (an increase for me), oral copper, and topical vitamin E. I will report long term improvements in a later post over time.
 
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See a doctor

 

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See a doctor

Have you successfully had some kind of chronic condition cured/solved by a doctor?

I've seen over a dozen doctors in a variety of fields and the most relief and improvements I've made have been done from my own hand. Most of the doctors I've seen have been clueless and unhelpful while others have actually caused me harm.

"Studies suggest that the following locations in the brain are involved in myoclonus:

  • Cerebral cortex, which is the most common origin for myoclonus.
  • Brain stem, which is close to structures that are responsible for the startle response—an automatic reaction to an unexpected stimulus involving rapid muscle contraction."
This from the link you posted is interesting and makes me think that the above may explain why some find relief seeing a chiropractor regularly. I often experience nasty neck pain when I feel the worst.
 
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Have you successfully had some kind of chronic condition cured/solved by a doctor?

I've seen over a dozen doctors in a variety of fields and the most relief and improvements I've made have been done from my own hand. Most of the doctors I've seen have been clueless and unhelpful while others have actually caused me harm.

"Studies suggest that the following locations in the brain are involved in myoclonus:

  • Cerebral cortex, which is the most common origin for myoclonus.
  • Brain stem, which is close to structures that are responsible for the startle response—an automatic reaction to an unexpected stimulus involving rapid muscle contraction."
This from the link you posted is interesting and makes me think that the above may explain why some find relief seeing a chiropractor regularly. I often experience nasty neck pain when I feel the worst.
I see your point but I think his vaccine history should be flagged with his doctor regardless. There is more to this than meets the eye.
 

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