Myocarditis rates up

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Myocarditis due to covid is rare

After COVID the incidents of anything significant in terms of myocarditis or inflammation of the heart was in the 1% to 2% range,” Dr. Baker said. “Which is not minuscule, but not as much as we were initially concerned about.”

 

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Not sure what point you are trying to make. The study found 7.2% of prevalence of myocarditis and <2% prevalence of significant myocarditis in deceased COVID patients. Myocarditis is a statistically rare complication even from vaccination.

Myocarditis existed long before December 2019, and, get this, not all illness and death are attributable to either some mystery virus or 3 poorly tested drugs. Heart Disease has been the number one killer for decades.
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make either.
While I don't doubt that experimental drugs have increased stress on the heart from direct or indirect causes, there are lots of other medical experiments that have been run over the past two years, from lockdown to masking to poverty and non-stop propaganda, that increased serotonin and stress hormones in pretty much everyone, that could have lead to an increase in heart conditions on their own. Of course, adding toxic, poorly tested drugs on top of that only compounds the problem.
A local health authority argued that the rise of heart attacks in athletes is due to increased psychological stress from the pandemic. Your argument is equally silly. Certainly your mentioned factors do cause heart disease, but their relative statistical impact is beyond insignificance when compared to the issues caused by COVID and the mRNA injection.
 

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Got any proof of this, at all?

Like, a study that took measurements of Spike Protein in serum from people who are vaxxed (and maybe 4 different groups, to note any differences between Pfizer, Modena, J&J, and AZ), and measurements of Spike Protein in serum from people with so called "Covid?"

Ideally, the study would involve at least 6 groups, the 4 different vax groups, the Covid group, and healthy controls.
Not at hand, though I've seen such comparisons being made in the past. There was not much difference in acute spike load between a moderate-severe COVID and vaccination.
 

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Not sure what point you are trying to make. The study found 7.2% of prevalence of myocarditis and <2% prevalence of significant myocarditis in deceased COVID patients. Myocarditis is a statistically rare complication even from vaccination.


I'm not sure what point you are trying to make either.

A local health authority argued that the rise of heart attacks in athletes is due to increased psychological stress from the pandemic. Your argument is equally silly. Certainly your mentioned factors do cause heart disease, but their relative statistical impact is beyond insignificance when compared to the issues caused by COVID and the mRNA injection.
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„Conclusion: Young males infected with the virus are up 6 times more likely to develop myocarditis as those who have received the vaccine.“
 

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A local health authority argued that the rise of heart attacks in athletes is due to increased psychological stress from the pandemic. Your argument is equally silly. Certainly your mentioned factors do cause heart disease, but their relative statistical impact is beyond insignificance when compared to the issues caused by COVID and the mRNA injection.
Really? So you acknowledge that I mentioned REAL factors, but then dismiss them based on.... what, exactly? Where is the study to back up this claim?
Not at hand, though I've seen such comparisons being made in the past. There was not much difference in acute spike load between a moderate-severe COVID and vaccination.
How do you know there is "not much difference" in acute spike load between moderate-severe COVID and vaccination? That is something that would have to be measured. If you haven't seen a study comparing these, it's completely baseless.
 

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Where is the study to back up this claim?
We do not seem to be playing a game of studies -- otherwise I'm sure you would have made the first move already.
How do you know there is "not much difference" in acute spike load between moderate-severe COVID and vaccination?
By the numbers which I saw. Now how legitimate those numbers were, of that I am not sure.
 

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„Conclusion: Young males infected with the virus are up 6 times more likely to develop myocarditis as those who have received the vaccine.“

A ridiculous conclusion to draw from a total of 9 myocarditis cases.
 

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We do not seem to be playing a game of studies -- otherwise I'm sure you would have made the first move already.
I didn't make any claim about spike protein levels. I made a general point and observation. If you are going to claim that vaccination and COVID create "the same level of spike protein in the body," you need a source for that.
By the numbers which I saw. Now how legitimate those numbers were, of that I am not sure.
And which "numbers" were those? If you have a source for this, post it.
 
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COVID. “The myocarditis that occurs with the natural infection is usually those sick enough to be in the ICU, and it’s a troponin elevation only. It’s very different from the myocarditis we are seeing with the vaccines, which we’ll get to”, says heart specialist Dr. Peter McCullough in an interview aired on November 1, 2021.


“The myocarditis in Covid-19 is mild. It’s inconsequential, and it’s largely a troponin elevation. I don’t want anybody to think that the myocarditis of the natural infection is anything like what we’re seeing with the vaccines.


The vaccine produces the inflammatory type process on the heart, and the vaccine is directly there. Now pre-clinical studies are suggesting the lipid nanoparticles actually go right into the heart. The heart expresses the spike protein. The body attacks the heart. There are dramatic EKG changes. The troponin, the blood test for heart injury, with the vaccine myocarditis is 10-100 folds higher than the troponin we see with the natural infection. It’s a totally different syndrome.


When the kids get myocarditis after the vaccine, 90% have to be hospitalized. They have dramatic EKG changes, chest pain, early heart failure. They need echocardiograms. If the ejection fraction is slowing, they need medications to prevent heart failure.
Vaccine-induced myocarditis is a big deal. In children, it’s way more serious and more prominent than a post-COVID myocarditis.”
 

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I didn't make any claim about spike protein levels.
You may have accidentally conflated two different branches of this conversation. See if you agree.
You: pandemic-related stress causes more of the heart attacks than COVID/mRNA
Me: COVID/mRNA causes more of the heart attacks than pandemic-related stress
You: source?
Me: you don't have one either
You: I didn't make any claim
[we are here}
And which "numbers" were those? If you have a source for this, post it.
I'm not malicious, I would of course share the source if I had access to it. I am simply sharing what I remember seeing.
 

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Now pre-clinical studies are suggesting the lipid nanoparticles actually go right into the heart. The heart expresses the spike protein. The body attacks the heart.
Now something like this makes for a much more convincing case in regard to the higher myocarditis potential of the mRNA injection.
 

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„Conclusion: Young males infected with the virus are up 6 times more likely to develop myocarditis as those who have received the vaccine.“
Yeah....a more recent, larger study found the opposite.


View: https://mobile.twitter.com/VPrasadMDMPH/status/1475145220618526729
 

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You may have accidentally conflated two different branches of this conversation. See if you agree.
You: pandemic-related stress causes more of the heart attacks than COVID/mRNA
Wrong. Never said this. Go re-read my post, and you will clearly see that I said "there are lots of other medical experiments that have been run over the past two years, from lockdown to masking to poverty and non-stop propaganda, that increased serotonin and stress hormones in pretty much everyone, that could have lead to an increase in heart conditions on their own."

You do understand that the word "could" implies a possibility, correct? I didn't say it was a foregone conclusion.
Me: COVID/mRNA causes more of the heart attacks than pandemic-related stress
Since you are summarizing you're own words, I think this can be taken at face value, and it clearly indicates a forgone conclusion, not a possibility.
You: source?
Yes, I would like to know the source of your forgone conclusion.
Me: you don't have one either
Why would I need a source to raise simply a possibility?
You: I didn't make any claim
[we are here}
I didn't. Go back and re-read my words. You directly quoted them, and I requoted them.

Unless, of course, you are asking for studies that things like isolation and poverty and masking increase things like stress hormones and serotonin. I can dig those up, if you really want me to, but I thought most people on this forum knew about these things.
 

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COVID. “The myocarditis that occurs with the natural infection is usually those sick enough to be in the ICU, and it’s a troponin elevation only. It’s very different from the myocarditis we are seeing with the vaccines, which we’ll get to”, says heart specialist Dr. Peter McCullough in an interview aired on November 1, 2021.


“The myocarditis in Covid-19 is mild. It’s inconsequential, and it’s largely a troponin elevation. I don’t want anybody to think that the myocarditis of the natural infection is anything like what we’re seeing with the vaccines.


The vaccine produces the inflammatory type process on the heart, and the vaccine is directly there. Now pre-clinical studies are suggesting the lipid nanoparticles actually go right into the heart. The heart expresses the spike protein. The body attacks the heart. There are dramatic EKG changes. The troponin, the blood test for heart injury, with the vaccine myocarditis is 10-100 folds higher than the troponin we see with the natural infection. It’s a totally different syndrome.


When the kids get myocarditis after the vaccine, 90% have to be hospitalized. They have dramatic EKG changes, chest pain, early heart failure. They need echocardiograms. If the ejection fraction is slowing, they need medications to prevent heart failure.
Vaccine-induced myocarditis is a big deal. In children, it’s way more serious and more prominent than a post-COVID myocarditis.”
My experience with COVID agrees with this. Having not been jabbed, I spent the holidays with my vexed relatives 2 of whom recently had COVID. Right after Christmas I came down with COVID. starting with sudden high fever and deep cough. After a night of severe tachycardia, I went to the ER. Here are my relevant blood markers:
CRP 1.0 (range <0.3 mg/dL)
D-Dimer 1.60 (range <0.50 mg/L)
Ferritin 461.1 (range 8.0-252.0 ng/mL)
Lactate Dehydrogenase 289 (range 100-190 U/L)
TROPT 0.08 (range 0.00-0.04)

At first they thought I had a small STEMI - heart attack. After an echo they decided it was "just" myocarditis. My experience is fully in agreement with the article above.
 

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Now something like this makes for a much more convincing case in regard to the higher myocarditis potential of the mRNA injection.

Again, it's the dose. The virus produces nowhere near the trillions of spikeys throughout the entire body like the mRNA injected directly into the body, and probably in many cases directly into the blood, does. Spikey spread from the virus is limited.
 

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Again, it's the dose. The virus produces nowhere near the trillions of spikeys throughout the entire body like the mRNA injected directly into the body, and probably in many cases directly into the blood, does. Spikey spread from the virus is limited.
But, do the vaccines even cause this? I have only seen spike protein measured in about 20 or so healthcare workers, and all levels were low, falling to undetectable two weeks after the first shot. Not even a rise in most after the second.

Of course, there are other things in the demonvax that could cause problems, like the custom lipids with crazy names that involve several sets of parenthesis. These could be causing a lot (or all) of the issues, Peat even mentioned this possibility on one of the Roddy podcasts back in early 2021, January I believe.
 

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But, do the vaccines even cause this? I have only seen spike protein measured in about 20 or so healthcare workers, and all levels were low, falling to undetectable two weeks after the first shot. Not even a rise in most after the second.

Of course, there are other things in the demonvax that could cause problems, like the custom lipids with crazy names that involve several sets of parenthesis. These could be causing a lot (or all) of the issues, Peat even mentioned this possibility on one of the Roddy podcasts back in early 2021, January I believe.

At this point we don't really know, but the mechanism of spikeys expressing themselves on heart cells, which the immune system then attacks and damages is very plausible.
 

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I don't know if it's semantic meticulousness so much as basic rules of English.
As far as I knew, we were both exchanging hypotheticalities in which we believe. Obviously this remains the case so long as no evidence is included.
 

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