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Seems to be similar:
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Thanks ! Interesting , so if nothing works ,I'll gove mutaflor + doxycycline a try.
 
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I went through Nissle's document with the help of @Mauritio with google translate and got a few more gems. A bit unclear at times as he says Mutaflor treats things that must have a new name.

-Mutaflor must be given the longer, the more severe and the older the suffering.

-For one of the diseases in question here, the
pernicious anemia, a particularly low coli index is so characteristic that it can be used diagnostically.

-some of the illnesses are 10 or even 20 years old, but only after a 3 to 4 month treatment
were healed.

-I have occasionally received reports from specialists
the use of the agent in fermentation dyspepsia is obtained; According to their results, a mutaflor experiment is worthwhile
by o more than a strict low-carb diet is not
is required.

-For about 20 years I had suffered from constipation, which was not particularly severe, but I happened to learn that the success persisted 6 years after the mutaflor cure.

-According to this experience, acute paratyphoid infections in the form of - food poisoning should also be a suitable object for the use of the agent

-the patients were treated for half a year, even three quarters of a year, and even longer. It is not uncommon for them to request the continuation of the cure themselves, since they feel that it has a beneficial influence.

-I do not think it is excluded that other - diseases of unknown eye (especially
some cases of metabolic diseases) on intestinal intoxications
returned and therefore brought to healing by Mutaflor
can be. The individual cases of gout or
Migraines that have been treated with Mutaflor because of simultaneous colitis and thereby healed indicate this.
 

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So Mutaflor seems at least to be compatible and at best to be synsergistic with other probiotics like S. boulardi and ,bifidobacteria in maintaining a inflammation free gut.

“The combination of Lactobacillus, Bifidobacterium, Saccharomyces boulardi and the treatment with Escherichia coli Nissle were found beneficial in inducing and maintaining remission of disease activity of gut inflammation and moderately severe ulcerative colitis."


Probiotics in the mechanism of protection against gut inflammation and therapy of gastrointestinal disorders. - PubMed - NCBI

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Constipation continues, may be getting slightly better. I am also taking cascara sagrada — it’s necessary.

Body temps continue really low when I take this ECN. Interesting. I’m still taking it, 4 to 6 per day.
 
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I went through Nissle's document with the help of @Mauritio with google translate and got a few more gems. A bit unclear at times as he says Mutaflor treats things that must have a new name.

-Mutaflor must be given the longer, the more severe and the older the suffering.

-For one of the diseases in question here, the
pernicious anemia, a particularly low coli index is so characteristic that it can be used diagnostically.

-some of the illnesses are 10 or even 20 years old, but only after a 3 to 4 month treatment
were healed.

-I have occasionally received reports from specialists
the use of the agent in fermentation dyspepsia is obtained; According to their results, a mutaflor experiment is worthwhile
by o more than a strict low-carb diet is not
is required.

-For about 20 years I had suffered from constipation, which was not particularly severe, but I happened to learn that the success persisted 6 years after the mutaflor cure.

-According to this experience, acute paratyphoid infections in the form of - food poisoning should also be a suitable object for the use of the agent

-the patients were treated for half a year, even three quarters of a year, and even longer. It is not uncommon for them to request the continuation of the cure themselves, since they feel that it has a beneficial influence.

-I do not think it is excluded that other - diseases of unknown eye (especially
some cases of metabolic diseases) on intestinal intoxications
returned and therefore brought to healing by Mutaflor
can be. The individual cases of gout or
Migraines that have been treated with Mutaflor because of simultaneous colitis and thereby healed indicate this.


thank you so much
 

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Thanks ! Interesting , so if nothing works ,I'll gove mutaflor + doxycycline a try.
I just made the yogurt and it turned out pretty good.
If you were adding doxy-any idea at what dosage?
Mutaflor has done good things for my digestion/elimination so far.
Thank for this thread.
 

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I just made the yogurt and it turned out pretty good.
If you were adding doxy-any idea at what dosage?
Mutaflor has done good things for my digestion/elimination so far.
Thank for this thread.
I Would go for a lower dose ,at least if you would want to take at for an equal time as mutaflor, which is intended to be taken for a few months . Low dose meaning 20-40mg ,which also doesnt cause antibiotic resistance at that dose .

Can you talk about a little more what your experience is like with mutaflor , it would interest me a lot since we dont have many reviews from a peaty standpoint.
 

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I just made the yogurt and it turned out pretty good.
If you were adding doxy-any idea at what dosage?
Mutaflor has done good things for my digestion/elimination so far.
Thank for this thread.
I'm going to go for the yoghurt as well in the near future. You ordered from USA/CANADA supplier or from European one?
Thanks
 

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I ordered from the "feelgoodnatural.com" and it got to me in Los Angeles pretty fast with an ice pack.
At age 49, my digestion is slowing down and has probably been slow since I started extreme dieting at age 16.

To be specific. I have noticed healthier and floating stools (sorry if TMI) and a flatter stomach.
I recently started fooling around taking different digestive bitters from Woodland Essence tinctures too (and making them myself- my husband thinks I am crazy making moonshine) so when I read your post about Mutaflor-I ordered it right away. I am thankful for people here sharing their new and interesting experience with things.
Mauritio-Thank you for the info on doxy dosage too.
 

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I ordered from the "feelgoodnatural.com" and it got to me in Los Angeles pretty fast with an ice pack.
At age 49, my digestion is slowing down and has probably been slow since I started extreme dieting at age 16.

To be specific. I have noticed healthier and floating stools (sorry if TMI) and a flatter stomach.
I recently started fooling around taking different digestive bitters from Woodland Essence tinctures too (and making them myself- my husband thinks I am crazy making moonshine) so when I read your post about Mutaflor-I ordered it right away. I am thankful for people here sharing their new and interesting experience with things.
Mauritio-Thank you for the info on doxy dosage too.
I thought floaters indicate fatty stools?
 

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Maybe it is helping me digest fat better (another long term problem with me-I do not eat a low fat diet-especially lately)?
I always heard floaters were good (from a nutritionist named Jay Robb from the 90's- but I am a layman at best).
They have been well formed-so something is more right than it was previously.
 

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"Regarding modulation of cytokine profiles, LGG supernatants moderately influenced the secretion of anti‐inflammatory cytokines such as interleukin (IL)‐4, IL‐5, and IL‐10, while those of EcN exerted a broad proinflammatory effect to intestinal epithelial cells by inducing the secretion of proinflammatory cytokines such as IL‐8, monocyte chemotactic protein‐1, transforming growth factor α, tumor necrosis factor α, granulocyte macrophage colony‐stimulating factor, and interferon γ. These results suggested that LGG and EcN might produce different bioactive products that display differential modulation of mucin and cytokines, which may contribute to intestinal health and/or defense against bacteria/pathogens. Practical Application The results suggested that LGG and EcN might produce different bioactive products that display differential modulation of mucin and cytokines, which may contribute to intestinal health and/or defense against bacteria/pathogens."
https://www.researchgate.net/public...inal_Epithelial_HT29-MTX_Cells_Probiotic_supe

Found that in a study. Dont know what to think of that. Mutaflor seems to have a strong pro inflammatory response. I think in an acute case like detox or whatever it's fine, but we certainly dont want chronic inflammation...
Also l rhamnosus(LGG) seems to have the opposite effect ,does that mean it shouldn't be taken together ? Because that's what I'm doing at the moment ...
 
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I am noticing encouraging results. Last bowel movement was so normal (no constipation, no overly full feeling, no pain, no frustration) that I forgot to even pay attention. I am taking 2 capsules 3 times a day. This is huge for me. I stopped cascara sagrada about 3 days ago and still drinking a lot of milk.

If it can keep this improvement going, I’m going to be a very happy camper. I ordered two more boxes of Mutaflor. The vendor feelgoodnatural.com seems very good. They ship on Mondays with a gel cold pack, 2 day express. Seems to be a good way to keep it cold longer. It isn’t cold when I get it, but I presume it was cold longer and they claim 5 days at room temperature is okay.

I’m US based.
 
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"Regarding modulation of cytokine profiles, LGG supernatants moderately influenced the secretion of anti‐inflammatory cytokines such as interleukin (IL)‐4, IL‐5, and IL‐10, while those of EcN exerted a broad proinflammatory effect to intestinal epithelial cells by inducing the secretion of proinflammatory cytokines such as IL‐8, monocyte chemotactic protein‐1, transforming growth factor α, tumor necrosis factor α, granulocyte macrophage colony‐stimulating factor, and interferon γ. These results suggested that LGG and EcN might produce different bioactive products that display differential modulation of mucin and cytokines, which may contribute to intestinal health and/or defense against bacteria/pathogens. Practical Application The results suggested that LGG and EcN might produce different bioactive products that display differential modulation of mucin and cytokines, which may contribute to intestinal health and/or defense against bacteria/pathogens."
https://www.researchgate.net/public...inal_Epithelial_HT29-MTX_Cells_Probiotic_supe

Found that in a study. Dont know what to think of that. Mutaflor seems to have a strong pro inflammatory response. I think in an acute case like detox or whatever it's fine, but we certainly dont want chronic inflammation...
Also l rhamnosus(LGG) seems to have the opposite effect ,does that mean it shouldn't be taken together ? Because that's what I'm doing at the moment ...

I’m not sure about taking them together. But I also am not sure about an inflammatory response. It could be that taking this creates a battle in the gut that increases endotoxins temporarily. It could be the inflammatory response is a result of how it colonizers the gut at the expense of other microbes. It seems terribly complicated and not to be easily reduced to something simple.

I would avoid anything that can kill the bacteria directly though. I am not taking antibiotics at this moment for instance.
 

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This is exciting! I ordered on 12/26 and chose the Air mail option to the US and mine isn’t here yet. In the meantime I started florastor for some temporary relief from the diarrhea that was hanging on since the cocoa butter experiment. It’s working. I’m hoping to solve chronic recurring fungal issues that started 20 years ago after 50 days on levaquin.
 
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This is exciting! I ordered on 12/26 and chose the Air mail option to the US and mine isn’t here yet. In the meantime I started florastor for some temporary relief from the diarrhea that was hanging on since the cocoa butter experiment. It’s working. I’m hoping to solve chronic recurring fungal issues that started 20 years ago after 50 days on levaquin.

you can more cheaply buy S. Boulardii. Florastor is very expensive. I find this yeast the best diarrhea remedy.
 
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This is exciting! I ordered on 12/26 and chose the Air mail option to the US and mine isn’t here yet. In the meantime I started florastor for some temporary relief from the diarrhea that was hanging on since the cocoa butter experiment. It’s working. I’m hoping to solve chronic recurring fungal issues that started 20 years ago after 50 days on levaquin.
Uggghh 50 days?!
 
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"Regarding modulation of cytokine profiles, LGG supernatants moderately influenced the secretion of anti‐inflammatory cytokines such as interleukin (IL)‐4, IL‐5, and IL‐10, while those of EcN exerted a broad proinflammatory effect to intestinal epithelial cells by inducing the secretion of proinflammatory cytokines such as IL‐8, monocyte chemotactic protein‐1, transforming growth factor α, tumor necrosis factor α, granulocyte macrophage colony‐stimulating factor, and interferon γ. These results suggested that LGG and EcN might produce different bioactive products that display differential modulation of mucin and cytokines, which may contribute to intestinal health and/or defense against bacteria/pathogens. Practical Application The results suggested that LGG and EcN might produce different bioactive products that display differential modulation of mucin and cytokines, which may contribute to intestinal health and/or defense against bacteria/pathogens."
https://www.researchgate.net/public...inal_Epithelial_HT29-MTX_Cells_Probiotic_supe

Found that in a study. Dont know what to think of that. Mutaflor seems to have a strong pro inflammatory response. I think in an acute case like detox or whatever it's fine, but we certainly dont want chronic inflammation...
Also l rhamnosus(LGG) seems to have the opposite effect ,does that mean it shouldn't be taken together ? Because that's what I'm doing at the moment ...
This seems really contrary to other studies and Nissle himself. By all accounts it lowers inflammation over time. Perhaps 6 months max?

@ecstatichamster that is awesome news man!
 

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