Music

[x-ray peat]

Yes. But, the authoritarian environment of music schools made it a bit silly. There were a number of people doing research in Music Psychology and other Musicology depts, but nothing interesting. Music Therapy was also a Major at my school. They were all comfortable with the absurdly limited ideas that minor keys = sad; major keys = happy. That is the level of pervasive illiteracy.

Interesting, though not that surprising given the relatively little research that is publicly available. I would imagine that TPTB prefer to keep us peasants in the dark as to how we are being manipulated. This is a very old science of mass psychology and I'm sure it has been perfected by now.

"Music directly imitates the passions or states of the soul...when one listens to music that imitates a certain passion, he becomes imbued with the same passion; and if over a long time he habitually listens to music that rouses ignoble passions, his whole character will be shaped to an ignoble form....Any musical innovation is full of danger to the whole state, and ought to be prohibited. When modes of music change, the fundamental laws of the state always change with them." Plato

 

[Zpol]

Mozart. So unfailingly yummy. sigh.
Anytime "The Lindsays" String Quartet play Mozart is a magnificent treat.
I have them all in individual ASV recordings, but it looks like you can stream the complete set from Amazon:

Thanks for this link, I'm listening now, it's beautiful... giving me goose bumps! I love it.

 

[Regina]

Interesting, though not that surprising given the relatively little research that is publicly available. I would imagine that TPTB prefer to keep us peasants in the dark as to how we are being manipulated. This is a very old science of mass psychology and I'm sure it has been perfected by now.

"Music directly imitates the passions or states of the soul...when one listens to music that imitates a certain passion, he becomes imbued with the same passion; and if over a long time he habitually listens to music that rouses ignoble passions, his whole character will be shaped to an ignoble form....Any musical innovation is full of danger to the whole state, and ought to be prohibited. When modes of music change, the fundamental laws of the state always change with them." Plato

Oh Plato, you rigid blowhard.
I can recommend a book, The Listening Composer by George Perle. It's a small collection of his lectures. One lecture/chapter, "The Martian Musicologist" is a real gem. I got to study privately with Perle at an artist's colony. He understood the notion of provisional and movable reference points. The fundamental laws don't change if one understands the movable provisional nature of sound architecture.

For mass psychology, yes, you can brand and steer and manipulate. But there are always the Peats.
Music had many. I am thinking now of William Byrd. A catholic english Renaissance composer known as The Recusant. It is difficult to fathom how he was able to keep his property and family as a court composer for Queen Elizabeth.

 

[Anders86]

I guess I'll have to be the old fart here............I just don't understand this screaming in place of singing.

Once you get more aggressive than Slayer, it sounds like diminishing returns. Similar to how torture-porn like Hostel/Saw tried to "improve" on the horror films of the 1980s; more is not always better.

But I'm sure my parents would say the same about Metallica.

I totally understand and agrees with you on the torture-porn. I like the first Saw for it`s originality but that gore factor soon got tiresome..

Same here. I used to be a metal girl, not so much anymore but for some reason around autumn I crave some death metal, and Iron Maiden. Not sure why this only happens during autumn! Also, I used to date a guy in a metal band, I was around during much of the creative process. This guy is a literal guitar virtuoso (his brother is a classically trained pianist, their home life was weird!). In his band the screaming vocals were more of an after effect, the guitar was more of the focal point. But other bands it's the opposite, the screaming vocals are the thing, and I give them credit, it's an art form in and of itself. Some of these vocalists truly put their heart and soul into it. Not to mention the training they do to prevent actual damage to the vocal chords after all that screaming. And then of course, like any genre, there are some bands who are just entirely lacking in creativity and only trying to be some one they aren't or sell out.

Unfortunately, my mom liked Metallica, so I stopped listing to it! (I was an awful teenager) The only thing she didn't want me listening too was Nirvana-In Utero (because of the dead fetuses on the insert and the song 'Rape me'), and anything Marilyn Manson (because she thought he was glorifying Charles Manson).

The voice/ growling is an instrument and it compliments Black Metal perfect. I live in Norway and I uncritically embraced the Black Metal scene when I was young, I bet I would look at it with a more critical view as an adult.

Norwegian Black Metal was looked down upon when I was a teen with all the church-burning and murders. But got more cultural accepted as the art-form developed and got a mass audience. Norwegian Black Metal was actually Norways biggest cultural export article for years. I personally think that Black Metal is the musical scene that mostly resemble classical music in its grandiose and intricacy.

The Norwegian Opera has even embraced it. Here is the same song about 20 years later performed on the Norwegian Opera

 

[Obi-wan]

like this also

 

[theLaw]

like this also

 

[Obi-wan]

@theLaw , kickin it! Nice!

 

[Kunder]

Thats a lot of awful music in this thread. Not to be a kill joy, but I find it completely pointless to be sharing your music taste with others. Music is very polarising and one man's joy is another man's garbage.

 

[Zpol]

I personally think that Black Metal is the musical scene that mostly resemble classical music in its grandiose and intricacy.

I've been to many metal shows in dingy basements and hole-in-the-wall bars and once they start playing, the whole atmosphere is transformed (if it's a good band that is). Love that feeling.
It does seem to meld well with classical IMO, thank you for sharing that clip!

 

[x-ray peat]

Oh Plato, you rigid blowhard.
I can recommend a book, The Listening Composer by George Perle. It's a small collection of his lectures. One lecture/chapter, "The Martian Musicologist" is a real gem. I got to study privately with Perle at an artist's colony. He understood the notion of provisional and movable reference points. The fundamental laws don't change if one understands the movable provisional nature of sound architecture.

For mass psychology, yes, you can brand and steer and manipulate. But there are always the Peats.
Music had many. I am thinking now of William Byrd. A catholic english Renaissance composer known as The Recusant. It is difficult to fathom how he was able to keep his property and family as a court composer for Queen Elizabeth.

Though I disagree with much of Plato’s elitist solutions, I think he was far more honest in his assessment of human nature and politics than most of what we are fed today. “Everything is Politics” and music is no different.

Tristitia et Anxietas is very beautiful but it’s hard not to see the political commentary of such a sad choral piece written by a Catholic Recusant in Protestant England.

 

[Anders86]

I've been to many metal shows in dingy basements and hole-in-the-wall bars and once they start playing, the whole atmosphere is transformed (if it's a good band that is). Love that feeling.
It does seem to meld well with classical IMO, thank you for sharing that clip!

 

[Regina]

Though I disagree with much of Plato’s elitist solutions, I think he was far more honest in his assessment of human nature and politics than most of what we are fed today. “Everything is Politics” and music is no different.

Tristitia et Anxietas is very beautiful but it’s hard not to see the political commentary of such a sad choral piece written by a Catholic Recusant in Protestant England.

For sure, "anxious" "sadness", Byrd asks "what now?" His life is necessarily political-by-force. I can feel his torment in that piece. It also happens to be masterfully crafted.

 

[Jennifer]

Good thread topic! Music and dance have played a huge part in my healing. They're my form of meditation. I like many genres, but here's what I listened to today...






Bad Company - Shooting Star
Stephen Stills - Love The One You're With

 

[energyandstruct]

hell yeah

love wayne shorter

how about that miles davis with wayne shorter, herbie, tony williams and ron carter group tho?

 

[energyandstruct]

I like a lot of stuff, mostly sad intense songwriting

danny roddy actually recommended this song to me:

 

[Obi-wan]

@debored13 instant love for Jesus Christ!

@Jennifer nice selection!

 

[Obi-wan]

@debored13 since your jazzy and I love bass:

 

[x-ray peat]

These songs that come to mind when I need a good dose of rock n roll healing

 

[theLaw]

I like a lot of stuff, mostly sad intense songwriting

danny roddy actually recommended this song to me:

Elliott Smith : Suicide by self-inflicted stab to the heart





Jeff Buckley : death by misadventure (suspected drowning)



Nick Drake : Overdose



Nick Drake- Riverman

 

[energyandstruct]

Elliott Smith : Suicide by self-inflicted stab to the heart





Jeff Buckley : death by misadventure (suspected drowning)



Nick Drake : Overdose



Nick Drake- Riverman

Yeah I’m a big Elliott Smith and nick drake fan too. Actually wrote a song that I feel is influenced a lot by the latter