Multi Racial Society - The Biggest Stressor Of Them All?

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Did you see his quotes or his studies? Human caste, come on, pathetic to not call him racist, at least!
"Harpending once stated that people of sub-Saharan ancestry do not have the same genetic propensity for "hard work" as Eurasians do. According to geneticist David Reich, "there is simply no scientific evidence to support this statement."[25]

I can picture the tears of moral outrage streaming down your face as you wrote that.

Now, to set you straight:

1: Harpending didn't invent the Fixation Index. Credit seems to be given to the work of Cavalli-Sforza, Menozzi and Piazza (1994). Quick, go check the SPLC website and see if they are also "known supremacists".
2: Regardless of what Harpending's association is with the Fixation Index and what he thinks of the work habits of Africans, it's still in use as a measure of genetic distance. It's good science!
 

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If you look at some data, Egypt seems to be one of the best places for woman against rape. Or maybe its culture is...
I can picture the tears of moral outrage streaming down your face as you wrote that.

Now, to set you straight:

1: Harpending didn't invent the Fixation Index. Credit seems to be given to the work of Cavalli-Sforza, Menozzi and Piazza (1994). Quick, go check the SPLC website and see if they are also "known supremacists".
2: Regardless of what Harpending's association is with the Fixation Index and what he thinks of the work habits of Africans, it's still in use as a measure of genetic distance. It's good science!
You're making a strawman I was talking about the credibility and impartiality of Harpending.
I grew up in Africa and never, ever have I seen anything like an African couple having a child with blues eyes and white skin. What you're writing about happens because one or both of the parents has some European ancestry and those genes resurface in the offspring from time to time.

Again, what you write about genetic diversity in chimps does not refute the statement that there are substantial genetic differences amongst different type of humans. Failure of logic there.
Wrong. Blue eyed Brithsh with dark skin: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/02/07/meet-cheddar-man-first-modern-britons-had-dark-skin-and-blue-eyes/?outputType=amp
About the probable first with blue eyes thanks to OCA2: Blue-eyed humans have a single, common ancestor
Probable first with blue eyes had African dark skin genes: Revealed: First Ol’ Blue Eyes is 7,000 years old and was a caveman
Blue-eyed child:
 
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Again, what you write about genetic diversity in chimps does not refute the statement that there are substantial genetic differences amongst different type of humans. Failure of logic there.
Again,
Since humans have extremely low genetic diversity, lower than two chimpanze groups who lookalike and are only distant by some kilometers, if you think that we can differentiate our race into more, based on that little diversity then every person is from a different race.
New races everywhere, 7 billion: We are all mutants: First direct whole-genome measure of human mutation predicts 60 new mutations in each of us

"Furthermore, recent research on regional and racial variance in mtDNA (Excoffier and coworkers, 1992), a traditional marker for human racial groupings, shows a higher proportion of variance within than across racial categories."
"It no longer makes sense to adhere to arbitrary racial categories, or to expect that the next genetic study will provide the key to racial classification."
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“data also show that any two individuals within a particular population are as different genetically as any two people selected from any two populations in the world”Genetic Similarities Within and Between Human Populations

"This failure of the clustering of local populations into biologically meaningful "races" based on a few clear genetic differences is not confined to the human species. Zoologists long ago gave up the category of "race" for dividing up groups of animal populations within a species, because so many of these races turned out to be based on only one or two genes so that two animals born in the same litter could belong to different "races."
Confusions About Human Races
 

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This is poor logic.

Why do refugees and immigrants (legal and or people who want to permanently settle and live there) come to the richest city in Brazil? And why do you think the lowest homicide rates are in the richest city in Brazil? Is it a coincidence the richest city is the safest, or by your theory it is because it is the most diverse? ......
It was just some facts. You misrepresented me, my theory is not because it is the most diverse, I never said it. e.e
 

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Again,
Since humans have extremely low genetic diversity, lower than two chimpanze groups who lookalike and are only distant by some kilometers, if you think that we can differentiate our race into more, based on that little diversity then every person is from a different race.
New races everywhere, 7 billion: We are all mutants: First direct whole-genome measure of human mutation predicts 60 new mutations in each of us

"Furthermore, recent research on regional and racial variance in mtDNA (Excoffier and coworkers, 1992), a traditional marker for human racial groupings, shows a higher proportion of variance within than across racial categories."
"It no longer makes sense to adhere to arbitrary racial categories, or to expect that the next genetic study will provide the key to racial classification."
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“data also show that any two individuals within a particular population are as different genetically as any two people selected from any two populations in the world”Genetic Similarities Within and Between Human Populations

"This failure of the clustering of local populations into biologically meaningful "races" based on a few clear genetic differences is not confined to the human species. Zoologists long ago gave up the category of "race" for dividing up groups of animal populations within a species, because so many of these races turned out to be based on only one or two genes so that two animals born in the same litter could belong to different "races."
Confusions About Human Races

1) You're conflating traditional racial categories with genetic clustering analysis. They're not the same. Someone else already responded to you previously to these exact same links you're posting. For example within a category like "white" there will be large genetic variation because "white" was never well defined and still isn't.

2) Lewontin has been critiqued, thoroughly. Race as it is understood today by geneticists revolves around mapping clusters of genetically similar individuals, who are more similar to each other than to any other individuals.

3) Your stating that genetic diversity is so low among humans as to make the idea of differentiating genetic clusterings invalid is total bunk. If that were true then you wouldn't be able to get an ancestry test from 23andme. The genetic variation between various genetically-defined populations is vastly more than just 1 or 2 genes. No one in their right mind argues that a couple of genes make all the difference between one race and another.

4) In sum it looks like you're arguing there is no biological basis to clustering humans into various racial groups because chimpanzees are more genetically diverse within their species and therefore humans are not genetically diverse in any meaningful way in our species (?!?) is also poor logic. I also showed you data that refutes this (Fixation index). Again, there is a whole DNA ancestry business built on this. Are they just giving their customers fake results?

5) The picture you posted above is hilarious, I'm literally LOLing. It's either fake, or it's real and there is a backstory to it, but no way two pure-blooded Africans give birth to a white, blonde, blue-eyed, straight-haired baby. How naive do you have to be to think this actually happens on a regular basis? Do you live in a basement? I'll admit this might happen by chance, due to random mutation...let's say, maybe 1 in 1 trillion! LOL

Well, this thread has turned into a dumpster fire. I'm out.
 

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1) You're conflating traditional racial categories with genetic clustering analysis. They're not the same. Someone else already responded to you previously to these exact same links you're posting. For example within a category like "white" there will be large genetic variation because "white" was never well defined and still isn't.

2) Lewontin has been critiqued, thoroughly. Race as it is understood today by geneticists revolves around mapping clusters of genetically similar individuals, who are more similar to each other than to any other individuals.

3) Your stating that genetic diversity is so low among humans as to make the idea of differentiating genetic clusterings invalid is total bunk. If that were true then you wouldn't be able to get an ancestry test from 23andme. The genetic variation between various genetically-defined populations is vastly more than just 1 or 2 genes. No one in their right mind argues that a couple of genes make all the difference between one race and another.

4) In sum it looks like you're arguing there is no biological basis to clustering humans into various racial groups because chimpanzees are more genetically diverse within their species and therefore humans are not genetically diverse in any meaningful way in our species (?!?) is also poor logic. I also showed you data that refutes this (Fixation index). Again, there is a whole DNA ancestry business built on this. Are they just giving their customers fake results?

5) The picture you posted above is hilarious, I'm literally LOLing. It's either fake, or it's real and there is a backstory to it, but no way two pure-blooded Africans give birth to a white, blonde, blue-eyed, straight-haired baby. How naive do you have to be to think this actually happens on a regular basis? Do you live in a basement? I'll admit this might happen by chance, due to random mutation...let's say, maybe 1 in 1 trillion! LOL

Well, this thread has turned into a dumpster fire. I'm out.
OFC they are not the same I already addressed all that! You're creating a strawman. I did not repeat the arguments against genetic clustering to define different races because I already did.
The fact even appeared in NYT, also if you include some types of "albinism" like the OCA2 (blue eyed gene), you will see many more cases. Happens more similar cases and confirmed by DNA tests.
A perfectly healthy child with some type of "albinism", non-disorder-albinism, happens to be "pure-blooded Africans give birth to a white, blonde, blue-eyed, straight-haired baby". We all spread from Africa.
Is you who ignored all of the data and doesnt understand the genetic clustering, which is intrinsically shallow. If you use it to create races, then every century will surge new races, or even worse everyone will be from a different race.

Genetic clustering, only selects a ridiculously small part of our DNA, some loci.
"For example, some of the observed genetic clustering is a reflection of the samples that were included in the study and how they were collected, rather than any inherent genetic structure. DNA sample collection typically follows existing cultural, anthropological or political groupings. If samples are collected based on pre-defined groupings, it’s entirely unsurprising that the analyses of these samples will return results that identify such groupings. This does not tell us that such taxonomies are inherent in human biology."

"This failure of the clustering of local populations into biologically meaningful "races" based on a few clear genetic differences is not confined to the human species. Zoologists long ago gave up the category of "race" for dividing up groups of animal populations within a species, because so many of these races turned out to be based on only one or two genes so that two animals born in the same litter could belong to different "races."
Confusions About Human Races
“data also show that any two individuals within a particular population are as different genetically as any two people selected from any two populations in the world”Genetic Similarities Within and Between Human Populations

You want more evidence to understand why your clustering reasoning is vulnerable and weak? Its simple.
Everyone could be considered a Maori Race from some genetic clustering. And then every European could be considered a Maori mixed with an Incan.
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"Therefore, their allele frequencies are more highly correlated, a pattern that is commonly manifest as a CLINE of allele frequencies. The occurrence of such clines is often offered as evidence that individuals cannot be allocated into genetic clusters"
"Accordingly, membership in a genetically inferred cluster does not mean that all members of the cluster necessarily have a similar genetic composition."
Deconstructing the relationship between genetics and race | Nature Reviews Genetics
About the leading researchers who are the principals to equate cluster to race:
"Wade's hereditarianism depends centrally on a view of races as genetically inscribed and—as his misrepresentation of population genomics research suggests—detectible in the “correspondence” between cluster and geography, which is but a proxy for cluster and race."
Then adds this, and you have a good picture:

"This failure of the clustering of local populations into biologically meaningful "races" based on a few clear genetic differences is not confined to the human species. Zoologists long ago gave up the category of "race" for dividing up groups of animal populations within a species, because so many of these races turned out to be based on only one or two genes so that two animals born in the same litter could belong to different "races."
Confusions About Human Races
 
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40 years of Politically Correct (liberal-Marxist) brainwashing in the school systems and mass media, that's why. Our globalist masters have been pushing this agenda very hard and it's caused a trained Pavlovian-response reaction in the sheeple - any mention of race, culture clash and immigration gets a lot of people all worked up.
but they are so willing to believe that the government is poisioning our bodies, frying us with emf, taxing us to death, breaking our minds with porn. why is racial incompatibility the absolute last stage of the red pill?
 

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paris and london are ***t holes because youll get stabbed and robbed by an immigrant if you look too rich. paris and london are shitlholes because these immigants dont give a **** about the enviroment and litter their trash everywhere. Paris and london are shitholes because you have no freedom of speach. unless you are a robot slave npc.

no

you clearly have a victim mindset which makes you a prey
 

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Paris and London are shitholes if you wander into the shithole ("diverse") neighborhoods.

Multiculturalism is all fun and games until your neighborhood becomes Little Haiti. This is basically what the OP is complaining about and I find it ludicrous that there are people on here berating him for his "bigotry" when what he is describing, the massive increase in crime, the social fracturing and chilling effect, is objectively bad and he has every right to oppose it.

There's also this weird double standard where the same white multiculturalists who criticize their fellow white ethnocentricists would never dream of criticizing a non-white ethnocentric culture, say, Japan, for being boring because it's "too Japanese".

I also think there has to be a certain level of self-preservation pragmatism at some point where one realizes that if Population A is flat to shrinking, while Population B is growing 1% a year, and B moves into areas where A lives, then it's a mathematical inevitability that A is replaced by B and A will be effectively dispossessed of its lands, heritage, institutions, etc.

The responses on this thread remind me of r/K political theory. I know it's just a theory, but I think this subject definitely highlights the r vs. K mentality in a very clear cut way.

I live in a pretty “bad” area of Harlem. I’m not white although my skin color isn’t as tan as my uncles for instance. Two of my best friends in Paris and London come from some bad ghettos. Y’all don’t know squat.
 

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no

you clearly have a victim mindset which makes you a prey

im a victim because i was mugged there. im a victim because i have several times been attacked by immigrants for no reason in my own country. WE are victims, girls are constantly harrased or raped by immigrants here.
tell me how im not a prey? ive never harmed an immigrant. they are always out to pick fights with me. they gang up against lone whites.

I live in a pretty “bad” area of Harlem. I’m not white although my skin color isn’t as tan as my uncles for instance. Two of my best friends in Paris and London come from some bad ghettos. Y’all don’t know squat.

well if you live in new york i guess you wouldnt know.
 

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I enjoy multiculturalism a lot, but it takes a certain personality to be compatible with virtually everybody everywhere. Paris or London are only shitholes if you’re uptight and visibly scared of your own shadow. Besides - tons of beautiful women from all backgrounds!

Absolutely not a stressor for someone who’s socially intelligent.
Just coom and have a punk personality bro
 

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Assume "race" is not a real category of reality.

The question is whether there are groups of people harming other groups, regardless of how you want to identify those groups.

To discard the testimony of the OP and engage in abstract debate seems to be a form of autism where heavily fear laden language signifiers dominate the conscience and where little rational or emotional correlation exists between language and experience.
 

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Low IQ post tbh are you 12??

Radical individualism is the basic punk ethos.

Whenever something punk pops up it evolves into easily definable subcultures shows how self invalidating the idea is, no matter how incoherent and narcissistic the music and aesthetics try to be.
 

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So if all people are already genetically diverse, then doesn't that mean diversity is meaningless?

Then why is the argument made they should become more diverse if they already are?
 

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Assume "race" is not a real category of reality.

The question is whether there are groups of people harming other groups, regardless of how you want to identify those groups.

To discard the testimony of the OP and engage in abstract debate seems to be a form of autism where heavily fear laden language signifiers dominate the conscience and where little rational or emotional correlation exists between language and experience.
Of course there is groups harming other groups, so far, basically everyone recognized it or probably would.
To not bring in consideration or relate, racism which supports supremacism to the context is more unreasonable and irrational than considering all of the context.
Did someone discarded the testimony of the OP? If so who? Like well-know terrorist attacks in previously peaceful places. In which some of those had their parents also terrorised to a much worse degree.

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So if all people are already genetically diverse, then doesn't that mean diversity is meaningless?

Then why is the argument made they should become more diverse if they already are?
What are you implying?
Obviously, everyone is genetically different. Apparently, you are talking about homogeneity, some populations are more than others. How could diversity be meaningless?
Phenotypically (eye color, face shape, hai,r etc) a child can easily be more related to other than his parents.

What is a race for you, what it means when you use it?

Become more diverse in what way? What argument, how, what type of diverse, who made? Thanks to genetic mutation?
 
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I would say, that every race can live the way they want - in their own land. If they come to other countries, they have to adapt to the order there. Lets say farmers from Africa can live in wooden huts and raise sheeps if they can afford to buy enough land in England (which is insanely expensive). Theoretically racial differences could be appreciated as a nice variety of life on Earth, but it becomes the reason for bullying (white people get bullied as wel).
 

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@MatheusPN

I don't think he used racial terms as in the supremacist sense from what I read. But that's also why I don't see any value in racial terms when describing groups because the default thinking in the English speaking world is to make you into a persona non grata as soon as you claim to be white.

Additionally it doesn't adequately describe identity. A "white" could live anywhere on the globe and hold any set of beliefs.

My point about genes is that if it really is a kind of random meaningless arrangement- then the argument for more diversity which liberals make is also invalid.

It is illogical to say race isn't real, but also we need more racial diversity. Which is it? You can't claim both.

Not saying you made that argument but that this is the kind of absurdity that you frequently hear from politicians and academics.

Of course there is groups harming other groups, so far, basically everyone recognized it or probably would.

That's the real issue, isn't it? There isn't that recognition that ethnic Swedish people have any valid rights when it comes to their self interest as a group.

I do think most people probably would support them if they were given representation and a chance to speak.

Maybe a small fraction of media or politicians do but for the most part they are kept out of power by their oppressors.

It's also increasingly obvious that the majority of people do not decide this but a small oligarchy.
 
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