MPB Experimental Treatments

[JDreamer]

...... of all the things I miss doing in this life, running my hands thru a full head of hair is tops on my list right now. Hell, even just to be able to jump into a pool without worrying or swimming underwater. Been years since I can say I've been able to do that.

 

[Daniel11]

The very first thing that has to be happening in order to have vibrant health, is to not be constipated, you should be having at least one good full bowl movement every day, if your not then you should do something about that as soon as possible.

Many healthy people around the planet do not take vitamins, amino acids or hormones, many of us need them because we have not been absorbing the nutrients and co-factors we need from our food. Once your cells have the energy they need to function optimally your metabolism will be much better.

Good quality vitamins and minerals can sometimes be helpful to restore normal levels, but they should not be used for long term maintenance and often can makes things worse.

The red light shinned over your thyroid and eyes will greatly increase cellular energy, you will still need to heal your gut. Having a good bowl movement everyday is very important for good digestion, liver functioning and normal detoxification.

For some cascara sagrada helps constipation, but i prefer this herbal formula for the bowls it works fast, is gentle and also supports the liver, have tried many different supplements for constipation over the years and i like this one best.

Natural Liver Cleanse, Liver Aid - LivAmend

Then after bowls moving, we need to reestablish microbial balance in the intestines, i find cultured veggies and kefir most effective for this, start slow then increase daily, brand is very important or make your self.

Intestinal dysbiosis is the main reason most people are not digesting and absorbing nutrients they need from their food, the causes are many; often digestive issues start after rounds of antibiotics, low thyroid, also drinking chlorinated fluorinated water is terrible for the intestines and thyroid. Very very important to drink good water, i liked distilled. Good natural salt for your food is of upmost importance also.

So the key is increasing our bodies cellular energy and establishing microbial balance in our intestines. Then you will be able to digest and absorb all the nutrients your body needs and understands.

I had mentioned in other threads about Larch arabinogalactan, it is truly my all time favorite supplement, it offers numerous health benefits; immune system, digestion, liver health and it is very helpful for relieving food and environmental allergies.

It will make you feel much more comfortable very quickly and increase the benefits of the red light because it helps relax the nervous system.

Because Larch arabinogalactan has a range of low, mid and high molecular weight polysaccharides it produces a broad range of actions that compliment each other.

A good start would be to take one tablespoon mixed in water, lemonade or orange juice in morning and one tbs in the evening, it has only slight sweet taste.

Here is link on iherb for a good brand called Larix.

Eclectic Institute, Larix Arabinogalactan, 12 oz (340.5 g)

 

[Progesterone]

I got my MK4 K2 from HealthNatura and will be using 1 drop orally on tongue per day (1mg).

Should I try more?

I need I need some help as I am shedding quite a bit and I'm pretty sure my hair is getting thinner...

 

[Daniel11]

Larch Arabinogalactan’s positive biochemical actions come form the synergy of the beneficial effects it exhibits. Because arabinogalactan has a range of low, mid and high molecular weight polysaccharides it produces a broad range of positive physiological actions including lowering absorption of ammonia.

“Vince et al have suggested arabinogalactan might have clinical value in the treatment of porto-systemic encephalopathy because of this ability to lower the generation and subsequent absorption of ammonia.8”

“In general, it may be said that "low" molecular weight polysaccharides (5,000-15,000) tend to produce more of an anti-inflamatory, anti-complementary, anti-allergy effect (25,46); whereas "high" molecular weight polysaccharides (75,000-125,000) produce more reticuloendothelial stimulation (21,24) and monocyte-enhanced natural killer cytotoxicity (1). The "mid" weight polysaccharides (15,000-50,000) seem to act in an altogether different way, enhancing carbon and other types of toxin clearance by macrophages (24). The molecular weights of the major fractions of larch arabinogalactan are 16,000 (low/mid) and 100,000 (high) which perhaps explain its peculiarly diverse actions.”

“Arabinogalactans are useful for therapeutic treatment of infections caused by pathogenic microorganisms, particularly intestinal bacteria, such as Gram-negative types. Treatment with arabinogalactan is particularly applicable to bacterias of the Enterobacteriaceae type such as Escherichia coli bacteria, particularly those strains manifesting K88+ fimbrae. Arabinogalactans were shown to have dramatic effects on bacterial adherence (45).”

This stuff is very cool, here is research that goes in to more detail about the many health benefits of Larch Arabinogalactan.

Larch arabinogalactan: clinical relevance of a novel immune-enhancing polysaccharide. - PubMed - NCBI

 

[lampofred]

Thanks for sharing @lampofred
Agree with all this. How would you say one can achieve low adrenal androgens? High thyroid function is one way. Have you had success with using the "youth steroids" (pregnenolone, dhea, progesterone)? It seems like this is one way but how to stop it from converting into the adrenal androgens???

High caloric intake w/ steady blood sugar, high CO2

I take no steroids, but apparently caffeine greatly increases steroids

 

[lampofred]

Since you mention how important caffeine (1200mg daily is a lot) and how important dopamine is... would ephedrine be a good supplement to add? I think ephedrine raises stress hormones but I could be wrong... I know it has a wrong muscle sparing effect, etc..

Doubt it... Adderall/Cocaine/etc (i'm assuming ephedrine is similar?? i've never heard of it) increase dopamine by increasing serotonin. This neurotransmitter stuff is super complicated so I don't fully understand it, but porn watching/most stimulants/etc increase dopamine via serotonin which actually is very stressful and increases prolactin/glutamate. You want high dopamine as a result of low serotonin/prolactin, not dopamine stimulated by serotonin.

 

[lampofred]

Very informative post, thanks for sharing. Strangely enough, I've noticed that my hair feels stronger on nights that I don't get much sleep, but I thought it might have been all in my head.

If you don't mind me asking, what were your main methods to keeping CO2, dopamine, serotonin, prolactin, cortisol, and adrenal androgens where they need to be? Did Peating along with the supplements you mentioned alone do it?

Once this information is learned, you can really see how anxiety and stress attribute to mpb. I've suffered from anxiety since I was a small child. I'm almost 26 and a NW2 with diffused thinning. Lots of hairs left but they're thin.

I quit drinking and smoking a few months ago, because I'm determined to grow my hair back. Alcohol floods your body with estrogen. I drank practically everyday for over a year in 2015-2016 and my hairline receded the fastest then. I was also in a relationship, so I was having sex once or twice a day. Orgasm definitely plays a role, I see so many guys lose their hair FAST once they get married.

My regimen seems to be spot on with yours apart from red light. I've only been using red light for a month though, so it's too soon to tell anything.

Praying (normalizes anxiety (which is super rare now for me), increases CO2, motivates me so I'm assuming increases dopamine, overall numerous positive effects), bag breathing, steady & high caloric intake (very important), aspirin, caffeine (most important supp), occasional bromocriptine + cyproheptadine, niacinamide

 

[lampofred]

Sleep is very important, i know many people that sleep 7-8 hours a day and have great hair. Getting at minimum of 6-8 hours of sleep a day is very important for many reasons including hippocampal neurogenesis. For some people caffeine is ok for others it can ruin their health.

Cognitive Neuroscience of Sleep

I agree that sleep is extremely important. I'm not recommending sleep deprivation at all. I'm saying as your dopamine/prolactin ratio gets better, you will naturally need less sleep to function just as well.

 

[lampofred]

I like the theory here and it seems fairly comprehensive but how do you explain the high achieving high testosterone types who are driven and ambitious and successful but still bald? I assume them to have high test and high dopamine, should be perfect world in your theory...unless you can somehow have high estrogen/prolactin/cortisol at the same time as high T and high dopamine?

Also, if as you say peripheral dht is a cause of hair loss then wouldn't dht or dhea applied topically make hair just fall out?

Serotonin releases dopamine in the prefrontal cortex. One type of high serotonin personality I think is the aggressive, overly-competitive, dog-eat-dog type A person. This is high serotonin+high dopamine+high prolactin+high test, in other words the type who gets a rush from stress. This is the "***hole" successful type I think.

The healthier way to have high dopamine imo is type B, altruistic, low serotonin + low prolactin person.

Honestly I don't know what the cause is. I was just guessing. I just know that doing things that made me have a low serotonin/low prolactin state grew my hair back, so I was assuming that the adrenal androgens released by the prolactin were the cause.

 

[lampofred]

Great post. I as many others here have noticed there seems to be a high prolactin-low dopamine link when it comes to hairloss. I'm not exactly sure how you managed to correlate this to DHT though?

I will say one thing though. High prolactin and low dopamine usually means you're more sociable, outgoing and not spending your time alone and depressed, fapping constantly to get a dopamine hit. Could this whole thing be a natural 'no-fap?' Added with the high caffeine that may act as a vasilator and grow hair?

Definitely. It is the strongest no-fap protocol I have come across. I have no desire to masturbate/look at porn at all (haven't in weeks), and more girls are into me than ever before. It's not even just sexual, even older adults/children/guys like me more, and I'm much more kind to everyone in general.

The hardest thing about RP is eating properly, if I don't eat properly, I hit really low lows (see my 'freely eating sugar thread') and if I do eat properly, I feel very very good. I figured out that "eating properly" is different for everyone, and RP only offers guidelines, not rules.

 

[Scenes]

The very first thing that has to be happening in order to have vibrant health, is to not be constipated, you should be having at least one good full bowl movement every day, if your not then you should do something about that as soon as possible.

Many healthy people around the planet do not take vitamins, amino acids or hormones, many of us need them because we have not been absorbing the nutrients and co-factors we need from our food. Once your cells have the energy they need to function optimally your metabolism will be much better.

Good quality vitamins and minerals can sometimes be helpful to restore normal levels, but they should not be used for long term maintenance and often can makes things worse.

The red light shinned over your thyroid and eyes will greatly increase cellular energy, you will still need to heal your gut. Having a good bowl movement everyday is very important for good digestion, liver functioning and normal detoxification.

For some cascara sagrada helps constipation, but i prefer this herbal formula for the bowls it works fast, is gentle and also supports the liver, have tried many different supplements for constipation over the years and i like this one best.

Natural Liver Cleanse, Liver Aid - LivAmend

Then after bowls moving, we need to reestablish microbial balance in the intestines, i find cultured veggies and kefir most effective for this, start slow then increase daily, brand is very important or make your self.

Intestinal dysbiosis is the main reason most people are not digesting and absorbing nutrients they need from their food, the causes are many; often digestive issues start after rounds of antibiotics, low thyroid, also drinking chlorinated fluorinated water is terrible for the intestines and thyroid. Very very important to drink good water, i liked distilled. Good natural salt for your food is of upmost importance also.

So the key is increasing our bodies cellular energy and establishing microbial balance in our intestines. Then you will be able to digest and absorb all the nutrients your body needs and understands.

I had mentioned in other threads about Larch arabinogalactan, it is truly my all time favorite supplement, it offers numerous health benefits; immune system, digestion, liver health and it is very helpful for relieving food and environmental allergies.

It will make you feel much more comfortable very quickly and increase the benefits of the red light because it helps relax the nervous system.

Because Larch arabinogalactan has a range of low, mid and high molecular weight polysaccharides it produces a broad range of actions that compliment each other.

A good start would be to take one tablespoon mixed in water, lemonade or orange juice in morning and one tbs in the evening, it has only slight sweet taste.

Here is link on iherb for a good brand called Larix.

Eclectic Institute, Larix Arabinogalactan, 12 oz (340.5 g)

Does redlight over the stomach/belly/bowels help at all?

 

[nasibi]

When I do Keto, my hair shedding completely stops within a few weeks. Even when wearing a hat everyday, no hair shedding. As soon as I start eating carbs, my hair loss starts full force again. I wonder why.

 

[Progesterone]

I think I'm going to stop TyroMix to see if it stops my hair shedding like crazy...

 

[Daniel11]

Does redlight over the stomach/belly/bowels help at all?

The red light will bring some relief when placed over the abdomen, the light helps relieve pain anywhere you place it on your body, that is one use for it, but the main benefit comes from stimulating cellular energy and bringing endocrine homeostasis via shining the red light on your thyroid, eyes and testicles.

Just to be clear I'm talking about LED lights in a specific wavelength range 600nm - 700nm not lasers and not infrared spectrums.

The red light shined over your thyroid will help constipation in that when you increase your metabolism all body functions improve, but you will still need to reestablish microbial balance in your gut, and if your constipated you will need to jump start your bowl motility.

The good bacteria living in someone’s healthy gut environment have been proved to be crucial for lowering the risk of just about every form of acute or chronic illness there is. A 2006 report published in The Journal of Applied Microbiology states that probiotic benefits from cultured foods include lowering the risk of:

• brain disorders and mental illness

• digestive disorders like leaky gut syndrome, ulcerative colitis and IBS

• mood disorders like depression and anxiety

• cancer

• asthma

• hormonal imbalances

• food allergies and sensitivities

• metabolic conditions such as diabetes

• various autoimmune diseases


Probiotics and their fermented food products are beneficial for health

 

[Progesterone]

Since I got my K2 (mk4) from healthnatura, I figure I will try out high-dose aspirin of 1g daily at least (oral). Any thoughts on aspirin's effectiveness for mpb, guys? I will be trying out 1g aspirin with 1mg K2, per day.

Stopping TyroMix for now as I said.

I am debating starting back up on Selsun Blue too..

 

[johnwester130]

Since I got my K2 (mk4) from healthnatura, I figure I will try out high-dose aspirin of 1g daily at least (oral). Any thoughts on aspirin's effectiveness for mpb, guys? I will be trying out 1g aspirin with 1mg K2, per day.

Stopping TyroMix for now as I said.

I am debating starting back up on Selsun Blue too..

b6

taurine

zinc

gelatin

will usually stop shedding

 

[inmyhead]

b6

taurine

zinc

gelatin

will usually stop shedding

you mean oral or water topical?

 

[johnwester130]

supplements can be oral or topical, it may not matter

or food sources of those will work, things like liver, coconut oil, fruit, /dairy etc

 

[Scenes]

Not seen anyone reporting results from aspirin or k2 alone to be honest.

@sladerunner69 and maybe @Makaveli were talking about vitamin A and K...anything to report?

@TubZy was doing lisuride and maybe dht...anything?

Several others said taurine both topically and/or orally stopped shedding and added thickness.

Anecdotally, it seems to me the whole calcification theory works on the crown much better than the hairline/temples. People report filling in their bald spot from mag/k2/fat sol vits but I've not read of anyone fixing the front with it.

Didn't finasteride have a much higher success rate on the crown too? Not sure why...

 

[sladerunner69]

Taurine definitely works for me. Topical taurine added to my selsun blue.