1. Orange & Red Light Therapy Device - LGS1
    CLICK HERE!
    Dismiss Notice

MPB Experimental Treatments

Discussion in 'Hair & Nails' started by TubZy, Oct 7, 2016.

  1. TubZy

    TubZy Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2016
    Messages:
    1,600
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    USA
    I have experimented with many compounds for MPB over the past few years that was brought on through AAS use.

    My personal history:


    • Minoxidil (regrowth and crown thickening used for 2 years but quit due to sides; facial bloating, crappy skin)
    • Propecia (stopped shedding and got regrowth but had insanely bad sides)
    • RU58841 (stop speed at 3%-5% and thickening, quit due to sides)
    • CB 03 01 (stop shedding at 3%)
    • OC000459 (stop shedding at 1%)
    • Setipiprant (stop shedding at 5%)
    • PGE2 (unstable compound, didn't notice anything either)
    • Selenium sulfide shampoo (completely stopped shedding when used daily and left sit for atleast 10-15min in shower)
    • Topical and oral taurine (slightly reduced itch and shedding)
    • Stemoxydine (minor increase in thickness)
    • Bimatroprost (PGF2a) (regrowth and thickening and darkening of hair)
    • Cloprostenol (same as bim but way stronger, but weird side effects)
    • Oral and topical castor oil 1-3 ml a day (increased hair and thickness of hair significantly, pain in the ass to apply topically and can cause bowel issues when taking orally)

    I'm a diffuse thinner so my hairline is still pretty good. I have lost some density on top but nothing to crazy and some slight recession mainly on my left side.

    Work in Progress- Experiments and Theories
    • Topical B6
    • Topical Zinc
    • Topical Aloe vera
    • Topical Retinol (vitamin A/retinil)
    • Topical MSM
    • Topical taurine
    • Topical niacinamide
    • Topical theanine
    • Topical T3/tyromix/tyromax
    • Topical methylene blue
    • Topical caffeine
    • Topical aspirin
    • Topical DHEA
    • Topical vitamin E (tocovit)
    • Topical metergoline (planning to try once the dmso vehicle is removed)
    • Topical K2
    • Topical ATP (haidut?)
    • Topical vitamin C
    • Topical diamant
    • Topical CoQ10
    • Topical DeFibron
    • Topical glycine
    • Topical/oral biotin
    • Topical/oral lysine
    • Oral BCAA's
    • Topical DHT :)
    • Topical lard
    For the above list, I would skim through the thread and sync up with the proper people who are using them to get the latest status and logs. A lot of these suggestions were not directly from me, but other users as well in this thread so that is awesome. So if you need further clarification on the theory on why it may work, I would simply just ask in thread or better yet try experimenting on your own.

    Just a note, many of the above suggestions are anti-fibrotic, anti-cortisol, anti-prolactin and pro-dopamine, which seems to be the hot topic right now regarding why some of these are working so well not only for reduced shedding, regrowth, but also hair color/pigmentation.

    Any other suggestions or personal experiences, please post in the thread :)
     
  2. Ras

    Ras Member

    Joined:
    Sep 12, 2015
    Messages:
    164
    Great post. Thanks for the contribution.
     
  3. Wagner83

    Wagner83 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2016
    Messages:
    1,444
    Gender:
    Male
    I had never heard of Selenium sulfide shampoo, thank you. Castor is nice for hair thickness but it's such a mess to use there's no way I could keep it in a daily regimen.
    Did you ever try detumescence therapy with a glass/vitamin bottle?
     
  4. OP
    TubZy

    TubZy Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2016
    Messages:
    1,600
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    USA
    Try about 1-2ml of castor orally it will thicken up your hair and darken it. Only downside of castor oil is it grows hair everywhere rather than isolated to the scalp.

    No, I didn't
     
  5. Wagner83

    Wagner83 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2016
    Messages:
    1,444
    Gender:
    Male
    Orally ay? Only thing I heard it was good for if swallowed was bowel movements, you made me curious. Why don't you take it anymore?
     
  6. johnwester130

    johnwester130 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2015
    Messages:
    1,282
    Try red light ? aka cold lasers aka LLLT ?

    It increases ATP in the scalp
     
  7. Miggie

    Miggie Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2015
    Messages:
    77
    Cloprostenol is the same as pgcl right? Because i still have 1500mcg of pgcl. How would you use this for regrowth?
     
  8. OP
    TubZy

    TubZy Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2016
    Messages:
    1,600
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    USA
    No, it stimulates PGE2. I stopped bc it was starting to bother my stomach but my hair and eyebrows looks much thicker and darker. Many people have gotten success with castor orally.
     
  9. OP
    TubZy

    TubZy Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2016
    Messages:
    1,600
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    USA
    Yes, I was adding a small amount to my stemoxydine vehicle which consisted of water and alcohol and applied topically. You don't need much I think the dosage was around 80-100mcg.
     
  10. Dante

    Dante Member

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2016
    Messages:
    458
    Gender:
    Male
    Anyone doing dumutescenece massage, perfect hair health dude claims doing it for an year will get you awesome hair gains
     
  11. Wagner83

    Wagner83 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 15, 2016
    Messages:
    1,444
    Gender:
    Male
    I did it for a bit and it seems it helped with hair health over the long run, for regrowth it might be more difficult though. There's a long thread on it at immortalhair.
     
  12. johnwester130

    johnwester130 Member

    Joined:
    Aug 6, 2015
    Messages:
    1,282
    Honestly, just start LLLT. It's the only thing that worked for me, and I was a "try everything type of guy".

    More importantly, it has a scientific reasoning behind it.
     
  13. Makaveli

    Makaveli Member

    Joined:
    Oct 18, 2016
    Messages:
    85
    Gender:
    Male
    Which selenium sulfide shampoo do you use?
     
  14. ppsk

    ppsk New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2016
    Messages:
    1
    Gender:
    Male
    minoxidil works, and its the only thing that has actually worked for regrowth, and indisputably so. Whenever i hear someone making wild claims about something doing miracles in a matter of weeks, of course, they never have pictures. Which is exactly what i think of LLLT.

    Finasteride works in that for most men it will halt hair loss, and for a smaller proportion will facilitate regrowth (the earlier the intervention, the more likely this is to happen), but its just a dumb dumb drug for what its being used for.

    RU58841 i like but requires quite a bit of fiddling and you arent able to get it from professionals you can only get it from kids reselling it to you for a markup after they buy it from china in a plastic baggie.

    PGE2 and everything else from "swisstemples" approach seems very promising but as he says himself, its all very expensive and very hard to get a reliable chain of supply. Having dealt with these chinese "companies" before in the past, many of them are not opposed to straight up ripping people off. I say "companies" because many of them are in fact, merely individuals operating out of their apartments. It'd be nice if it became so popular it that the supply grew greater and the price came down, but that is unlikely at this point since all the major hair loss communities are doing their best to make swisstemples a persona non grata.

    where did you get the cloprostenol from?
     
  15. Iron Man

    Iron Man Member

    Joined:
    Apr 15, 2015
    Messages:
    293
    Have you looked at the Immortal Hair website or Longevity Post website?
     
  16. OP
    TubZy

    TubZy Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2016
    Messages:
    1,600
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    USA
    Selsun Blue, it's just a harsh shampoo though
     
  17. OP
    TubZy

    TubZy Member

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2016
    Messages:
    1,600
    Gender:
    Male
    Location:
    USA
    A friend from Brazil who was able to get it vet grade. You could find the PGE2 gel though online pharmacy.
     
  18. goodandevil

    goodandevil Member

    Joined:
    May 27, 2015
    Messages:
    693
    @TubZy urea, caffeine, taurine, and pure vitamin a are all things that have benefitted me. i use the urea in low concentrations.
     
  19. Dhair

    Dhair Member

    Joined:
    Jul 29, 2015
    Messages:
    472
    Gender:
    Male
    Can you elaborate on your experience with castor oil?
    How long did it take you to see results from it?
    It seems to me that thing like castor oil and emu oil are really nothing more than placebo.
     
  20. ContinuousHeal

    ContinuousHeal Member

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2016
    Messages:
    10
    Gender:
    Male
    My two cents:

    Long time successful user of Finasteride until it totally derailed my last 5 years when I started a new stressful job.

    Have been using RU for about 4 years now, with seemingly no side effects, but it has not fully stopped my shedding

    Saw TubZy's post a couple of weeks ago and have seen some very promising results with simple Selsun Blue! If only I had tried this first instead of Finasteride...
     
Loading...