Mortality Rate Of COVID-19 Is 0.5%, Much Lower Than CDC / WHO Claims

[thomas00]

He said AIDS is caused by drug use.

The AIDS risk groups were also exposed to large amounts of bacteria and viruses.

 

[TheBeard]

They are now "mass-desinfecting" the streets of Spain with huge firefighter trucks spraying who knows what, looks to me like it's only the beginning of something more serious.
And don't worry about other people, they won't be the ones infecting you

 

[Ami]

Yes! You seem like one of the few in this thread who gets it. Plus in Italy it is apparently just as severe in the 30-50s ages as it is in the elderly. These people are only surviving because of the availability of ICU beds and ventilators. As they become scarce, doctors have to decide who gets one and who doesn’t.

Australia only has 2,000 ICU beds in the entire country. They are normally occupied by elderly, sick, cancer patients, severe trauma and accidents, and some post-op patients. Once they become saturated, if you have Covid-19 and can’t breath, you are done.

Using the cruise ship in a Japan to calculate it is not representative of countries as you are only dealing with a small population (that of the ship), and no bottleneck of ICU beds.

Source? Last I checked there are only 6 deaths below the age of fifty.
Italy is getting hit hard because 23% of the population is over 65 years old making it one of the world’s oldest populations.

 

[Peatogenic]

Ray Peat is on the air right now talking about the hysteria

He is talking about Big Pharma trying to raise their stocks by promoting the hysteria and claiming to be getting a vaccine ready for it. He doesn't seem too concerned at all. He says inflammation is behind the risk of pneumonia.

"The people dieing at a very high rate of the virus are already suffering from circulatory disease, heart disease, hypertension and stroke, they already have an active angiotensin system and the virus finds an environment already going in that direction. It happens that the ace angiotensin converting enzyme #2 its a dereceptor for the virus the virus attaches to that and in the process entering the cell and becoming infective and ace2 is the enzyme that undoes the work of ace in the cells and ace produce angiotensin and ace2 then destroys angiotensin so what the virus does in binding to ace2 seems to be inactivating the inactivator of angiotensin that leaves ace free to make angiotensin which then doesn't have any way out and it accumulates causing all of the dry cough high fever and increased hypertension and stroke and so on. "

"American soldiers left exactly 14 days before the outbreak in Wuhan. Viroligists have traced the gene pattern back in the US there are 5 different strains of coronavirus the Wuhan strain is just one of those. They say logically that you can derive one of the Wuhan from those preexisting strains but you wouldn't have at this time 5 descendants, the inheritance goes the other way the Wuhan strain is like a branch on the tree and the preceeding varieties were already existing in the US. The CDC patented the coronavirus 17 yrs ago. Research was being done at Fort Detrich. They are creating vaccines to counter them so they are saying there was an accidental release of that. " It's possible it was a bioweapon.

I transcribed that in real time so sorry if there are missing words.

So people on this Forum need to stop calling us conspiracy theorists. Ray Peat himself believes there is more to the story.

Listen to this interview!! He is now talking about retrovirsues and how they only come out when we are STRESSED. The RNA explodes into the bloodstream when we are stressed. He said AIDS is caused by drug use. In particular poppers.

Because of all the drug and popper use in Africa?

 

[boris]

Ray Peat is on the air right now talking about the hysteria

He is talking about Big Pharma trying to raise their stocks by promoting the hysteria and claiming to be getting a vaccine ready for it. He doesn't seem too concerned at all. He says inflammation is behind the risk of pneumonia.

"The people dieing at a very high rate of the virus are already suffering from circulatory disease, heart disease, hypertension and stroke, they already have an active angiotensin system and the virus finds an environment already going in that direction. It happens that the ace angiotensin converting enzyme #2 its a dereceptor for the virus the virus attaches to that and in the process entering the cell and becoming infective and ace2 is the enzyme that undoes the work of ace in the cells and ace produce angiotensin and ace2 then destroys angiotensin so what the virus does in binding to ace2 seems to be inactivating the inactivator of angiotensin that leaves ace free to make angiotensin which then doesn't have any way out and it accumulates causing all of the dry cough high fever and increased hypertension and stroke and so on. "

"American soldiers left exactly 14 days before the outbreak in Wuhan. Viroligists have traced the gene pattern back in the US there are 5 different strains of coronavirus the Wuhan strain is just one of those. They say logically that you can derive one of the Wuhan from those preexisting strains but you wouldn't have at this time 5 descendants, the inheritance goes the other way the Wuhan strain is like a branch on the tree and the preceeding varieties were already existing in the US. The CDC patented the coronavirus 17 yrs ago. Research was being done at Fort Detrich. They are creating vaccines to counter them so they are saying there was an accidental release of that. " It's possible it was a bioweapon.

I transcribed that in real time so sorry if there are missing words.

So people on this Forum need to stop calling us conspiracy theorists. Ray Peat himself believes there is more to the story.

Listen to this interview!! He is now talking about retrovirsues and how they only come out when we are STRESSED. The RNA explodes into the bloodstream when we are stressed. He said AIDS is caused by drug use. In particular poppers.

I‘m a bit confused. Just listened to the interview and Ray says that the ACE2 blocker LOSARTAN is helpful. Since last week there are articles in germany appearing that talk about ACE blockers being responsible for the high death rates in italy.

Only one article claims that ACE blockers are worsening the illness and ACE2 blockers like LOSARTAN could be a better alternative.

All the other articles say that ACE blockers make the illness about 5 times worse. And ACE2 blockers make it about 3 times worse.

So they are saying LOSARTAN is worsening the illness while Peat says it‘s helpful.

Anybody can clear this up?

 

[Regina]

I‘m a bit confused. Just listened to the interview and Ray says that the ACE2 blocker LOSARTAN is helpful. Since last week there are articles in germany appearing that talk about ACE blockers being responsible for the high death rates in italy.

Only one article claims that ACE blockers are worsening the illness and ACE2 blockers like LOSARTAN could be a better alternative.

All the other articles say that ACE blockers make the illness about 5 times worse. And ACE2 blockers make it about 3 times worse.

So they are saying LOSARTAN is worsening the illness while Peat says it‘s helpful.

Anybody can clear this up?

haidut mentioned these in the past
Improving mitochondrial function may treat PTSD

 

[Giraffe]

Because of all the drug and popper use in Africa?

No. Peat says, that this thingy that is called HIV virus, is something that shows up in the blood when a person is stressed. (it starts @ 28:10)

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Duesberg in his book "Inventing the AIDS virus" describes that that the CDC needed a new contagious disease, do justify all the funding they got. At that time a young researcher who wanted to study the immune system was introduced to the case of a young men who was suffering from pneumonia caused by a yeast infection (a yeast which is found in the lungs of most people, and which normally causes no problems except in cancer patients who are receiving chemotherapy). This patient also had was the researcher considered low T-cell counts. They found four more of such cases. All five men were homosexual, and all had used poppers. And although these people had no contact which each other, it was declared that the disease was acquired through sexual contact.

Later the CDC searched wide and far for more cases of patients with symptoms vaguely resembling those of the first five patients, and little by little added more and more diseases to the 'new syndrome'. They had a number of suspects as to what germ causes AIDS, before HIV entered the scene. The tests (Western blot and ELISA) look for antibodies, and they are often false positive.

This war has been fought in the name of the virus-AIDS hypothesis, which holds that HIV, the AIDS virus, is a new cause of thirty old diseases, including Kaposi's sarcoma, tuberculosis, dementia, pneumonia, weight loss, diarrhea, leukemia, and twenty-three others (see chapter 6). If any of these previously known diseases now occurs in a patient who has antibodies against HIV (but rarely ever any HIV), then his or her disease is diagnosed as AIDS and is blamed on HIV. If the same disease occurs in a patient without HIV-antibodies, his or her disease is diagnosed by its old name and blamed on conventional chemical or microbial causes. The following examples illustrate this point:

1. Kaposi's sarcoma + HIV-antibody = AIDS
   Kaposi's sarcoma - HIV-antibody = Kaposi's sarcoma
2. Tuberculosis + HIV-antibody = AIDS
   Tuberculosis - HIV-antibody = Tuberculosis
3. Dementia + HIV-antibody = AIDS
   Dementia - HIV-antibody = Dementia

 

[Peatogenic]

No. Peat says, that this thingy that is called HIV virus, is something that shows up in the blood when a person is stressed. (it starts @ 28:10)

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Duesberg in his book "Inventing the AIDS virus" describes that that the CDC needed a new contagious disease, do justify all the funding they got. At that time a young researcher who wanted to study the immune system was introduced to the case of a young men who was suffering from pneumonia caused by a yeast infection (a yeast which is found in the lungs of most people, and which normally causes no problems except in cancer patients who are receiving chemotherapy). This patient also had was the researcher considered low T-cell counts. They found four more of such cases. All five men were homosexual, and all had used poppers. And although these people had no contact which each other, it was declared that the disease was acquired through sexual contact.

Later the CDC searched wide and far for more cases of patients with symptoms vaguely resembling those of the first five patients, and little by little added more and more diseases to the 'new syndrome'. They had a number of suspects as to what germ causes AIDS, before HIV entered the scene. The tests (Western blot and ELISA) look for antibodies, and they are often false positive.

I know what Duesberg teaches, but it just didn't sound like Peat to say AIDS is caused by drugs and poppers, which the commenter claimed.

 

[Regina]

Ray Peat is on the air right now talking about the hysteria

He is talking about Big Pharma trying to raise their stocks by promoting the hysteria and claiming to be getting a vaccine ready for it. He doesn't seem too concerned at all. He says inflammation is behind the risk of pneumonia.

"The people dieing at a very high rate of the virus are already suffering from circulatory disease, heart disease, hypertension and stroke, they already have an active angiotensin system and the virus finds an environment already going in that direction. It happens that the ace angiotensin converting enzyme #2 its a dereceptor for the virus the virus attaches to that and in the process entering the cell and becoming infective and ace2 is the enzyme that undoes the work of ace in the cells and ace produce angiotensin and ace2 then destroys angiotensin so what the virus does in binding to ace2 seems to be inactivating the inactivator of angiotensin that leaves ace free to make angiotensin which then doesn't have any way out and it accumulates causing all of the dry cough high fever and increased hypertension and stroke and so on. "

"American soldiers left exactly 14 days before the outbreak in Wuhan. Viroligists have traced the gene pattern back in the US there are 5 different strains of coronavirus the Wuhan strain is just one of those. They say logically that you can derive one of the Wuhan from those preexisting strains but you wouldn't have at this time 5 descendants, the inheritance goes the other way the Wuhan strain is like a branch on the tree and the preceeding varieties were already existing in the US. The CDC patented the coronavirus 17 yrs ago. Research was being done at Fort Detrich. They are creating vaccines to counter them so they are saying there was an accidental release of that. " It's possible it was a bioweapon.

I transcribed that in real time so sorry if there are missing words.

So people on this Forum need to stop calling us conspiracy theorists. Ray Peat himself believes there is more to the story.

Listen to this interview!! He is now talking about retrovirsues and how they only come out when we are STRESSED. The RNA explodes into the bloodstream when we are stressed. He said AIDS is caused by drug use. In particular poppers.

So I wasn't sure if Ray was saying that the release of the strain into Wuhan was a deliberate US military insertion.
So the Deep State have a sortof Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy.

 

[Gone Peating]

Ray Peat is on the air right now talking about the hysteria

He is talking about Big Pharma trying to raise their stocks by promoting the hysteria and claiming to be getting a vaccine ready for it. He doesn't seem too concerned at all. He says inflammation is behind the risk of pneumonia.

"The people dieing at a very high rate of the virus are already suffering from circulatory disease, heart disease, hypertension and stroke, they already have an active angiotensin system and the virus finds an environment already going in that direction. It happens that the ace angiotensin converting enzyme #2 its a dereceptor for the virus the virus attaches to that and in the process entering the cell and becoming infective and ace2 is the enzyme that undoes the work of ace in the cells and ace produce angiotensin and ace2 then destroys angiotensin so what the virus does in binding to ace2 seems to be inactivating the inactivator of angiotensin that leaves ace free to make angiotensin which then doesn't have any way out and it accumulates causing all of the dry cough high fever and increased hypertension and stroke and so on. "

"American soldiers left exactly 14 days before the outbreak in Wuhan. Viroligists have traced the gene pattern back in the US there are 5 different strains of coronavirus the Wuhan strain is just one of those. They say logically that you can derive one of the Wuhan from those preexisting strains but you wouldn't have at this time 5 descendants, the inheritance goes the other way the Wuhan strain is like a branch on the tree and the preceeding varieties were already existing in the US. The CDC patented the coronavirus 17 yrs ago. Research was being done at Fort Detrich. They are creating vaccines to counter them so they are saying there was an accidental release of that. " It's possible it was a bioweapon.

I transcribed that in real time so sorry if there are missing words.

So people on this Forum need to stop calling us conspiracy theorists. Ray Peat himself believes there is more to the story.

Listen to this interview!! He is now talking about retrovirsues and how they only come out when we are STRESSED. The RNA explodes into the bloodstream when we are stressed. He said AIDS is caused by drug use. In particular poppers.

Idk what Peat is talking about... there are no American soldiers in China

 

[milkbasedvegan]

vitamin D lots of milk and OJ some aspirin, vitamin K has some anti-inflammatory effects and protects blood vessels.

Yeah, I would expect an organism to have no problem fighting such viruses if they’re chock full of Vitamin B,C,D,K,Calcium,Potassium... I would also like to add zinc, some iron of course, magnesium into the mix.

I wonder why I got sick with a nasty cough after Xmas traditional junk food galore and recovered eating 65% lean beef and drinking whole chocolate milk... hmmm wait no. No wonders.

 

[tupolev]

has an alien government finally united us under one world government?

It's simpler and less conspiratorial than that. All over the world governments and corporate elites spent the last 25 years building up unsustainable debt, because it kept working out very well at the time for those involved. This includes your unionized American school teacher and German teacher with a totally unpayable pension, just as much as JP Morgan executives and CCP elites.

There was a hiccup in 2008, but they choked the engine and got the debt spigot spewing again. Now the bill is really coming due. And it can't be paid. The bond and currency market action right now is showing all the old patterns breaking down. No way can the 2008/2009 fiscal and monetary restart be done again. All the national governments are flat broke. China/Japan/USA/EU all broke. They're going to be forced to massively cut budgets in the face of a bad recession.

In exactly the same way these people acted similarly in running up insane debts, they're all acting the same way now to use the virus as an excuse and smokescreen. It's not a conspiracy. It's emergent correlated behavior that makes perfect sense and requires no coordination. It's what I would do, wouldn't you?

China's debt collapse is the most dangerous situation. I worry that as things spiral out of control there they'll do something stupid like invade Taiwan to distract their population from the domestic crises. Technically the USA is on the hook to defend Taiwan. But even if we did nothing there's a real chance Japan would spring to action. Either way it's a total global shitshow.

 

[Regina]

Idk what Peat is talking about... there are no American soldiers in China

Perhaps not sinister, as is suggested in this article:
COVID-19: Further Evidence that the Virus Originated in the US - Global Research

 

[RealNeat]

Perhaps not sinister, as is suggested in this article:
COVID-19: Further Evidence that the Virus Originated in the US - Global Research

I listened to one radio interview with Ray, then I read this that he referred to and Im kind of sitting here in awe. I was suspicious seeing the severity of illnesses mid-late 2019 that this thing already made its rounds in the US.

 

[yerrag]

It's simpler and less conspiratorial than that. All over the world governments and corporate elites spent the last 25 years building up unsustainable debt, because it kept working out very well at the time for those involved. This includes your unionized American school teacher and German teacher with a totally unpayable pension, just as much as JP Morgan executives and CCP elites.

There was a hiccup in 2008, but they choked the engine and got the debt spigot spewing again. Now the bill is really coming due. And it can't be paid. The bond and currency market action right now is showing all the old patterns breaking down. No way can the 2008/2009 fiscal and monetary restart be done again. All the national governments are flat broke. China/Japan/USA/EU all broke. They're going to be forced to massively cut budgets in the face of a bad recession.

In exactly the same way these people acted similarly in running up insane debts, they're all acting the same way now to use the virus as an excuse and smokescreen. It's not a conspiracy. It's emergent correlated behavior that makes perfect sense and requires no coordination. It's what I would do, wouldn't you?

China's debt collapse is the most dangerous situation. I worry that as things spiral out of control there they'll do something stupid like invade Taiwan to distract their population from the domestic crises. Technically the USA is on the hook to defend Taiwan. But even if we did nothing there's a real chance Japan would spring to action. Either way it's a total global shitshow.

Good analysis.

Probably the only country that's being fiscally honest is Russia. The rest of the world, pretty much pawns in the duel between the two superpowers, join in on the pyramid schemes the two are indulging in. With both powers dependent on their own stock market to showcase their superiority, both had to jointly invent a new reason to inject more fake money into the system. In essence, the dog and pony show is about authotarianism of the elites against populists. With populism continuing to gain strength, a way had to be devised to corral the people. HK demonstrations gone (just as the Yellow Vest), China follows the path shown by the US - a docile population whose college youth, normally the idealists in previous eras, of enlightenment, are now defanged due to the derangement induced upon them by the public school system and the incoherent babble in the college campus's professors and administrators.

This was a bioweapon indeed, not aimed at each other by China and the US, but against the threat from within - their own people.

 

[Wilfrid]

Ray Peat is on the air right now talking about the hysteria

He is talking about Big Pharma trying to raise their stocks by promoting the hysteria and claiming to be getting a vaccine ready for it. He doesn't seem too concerned at all. He says inflammation is behind the risk of pneumonia.

"The people dieing at a very high rate of the virus are already suffering from circulatory disease, heart disease, hypertension and stroke, they already have an active angiotensin system and the virus finds an environment already going in that direction. It happens that the ace angiotensin converting enzyme #2 its a dereceptor for the virus the virus attaches to that and in the process entering the cell and becoming infective and ace2 is the enzyme that undoes the work of ace in the cells and ace produce angiotensin and ace2 then destroys angiotensin so what the virus does in binding to ace2 seems to be inactivating the inactivator of angiotensin that leaves ace free to make angiotensin which then doesn't have any way out and it accumulates causing all of the dry cough high fever and increased hypertension and stroke and so on. "

"American soldiers left exactly 14 days before the outbreak in Wuhan. Viroligists have traced the gene pattern back in the US there are 5 different strains of coronavirus the Wuhan strain is just one of those. They say logically that you can derive one of the Wuhan from those preexisting strains but you wouldn't have at this time 5 descendants, the inheritance goes the other way the Wuhan strain is like a branch on the tree and the preceeding varieties were already existing in the US. The CDC patented the coronavirus 17 yrs ago. Research was being done at Fort Detrich. They are creating vaccines to counter them so they are saying there was an accidental release of that. " It's possible it was a bioweapon.

I transcribed that in real time so sorry if there are missing words.

So people on this Forum need to stop calling us conspiracy theorists. Ray Peat himself believes there is more to the story.

Listen to this interview!! He is now talking about retrovirsues and how they only come out when we are STRESSED. The RNA explodes into the bloodstream when we are stressed. He said AIDS is caused by drug use. In particular poppers.

Very informative. The following study gives also a lot of credit to Ray regarding vitamin D, lung fibrosis and the renin-angiotensin-aldosterone system:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-03474-6.pdf ( Chronic vitamin D deficiency induces lung fibrosis through activation of the renin-angiotensin system ).
I also read in another study that a moderate dose of vitamin D ( 20 ~ 50 mcg ) is enough to have a significant effect on chronic or severe respiratory conditions.
I personally think that a drug like Tianeptine is likely to be very protective too.

 

[tupolev]

the only country that's being fiscally honest is Russia

Russia and its sphere of influence (Kazakhstan, and so forth) are really the only places set up to ride out the next 20 years about as went the previous 20. They learned their hard lessons in the 90s and refused to get caught up in the financial stupidity of this century to date.

I would still rather be American, though. Asia is where it'll get scary fast. They're basically having small scale naval wars over fish protein already. And Europe has so many intractable problems. They can't agree on anything and still mostly dislike each-other. On top of all the financial and resources problems, the migrant crisis of a few years ago was just a warm up.

 

[lvysaur]

In exactly the same way these people acted similarly in running up insane debts, they're all acting the same way now to use the virus as an excuse and smokescreen.

This is what I've been thinking about lately. There was a yield curve inversion recently, so a recession was already baked in for 2020-21.
Coronavirus coming in now seems shady. Also seems shady that the pandemic started in the best possible place within China, at the best possible time.

Another possibility: Notice how there are reports of COV reinfecting people who recovered? Also reports that it can attack testicular tissue. What if it's just a smokescreen for 5G health effects? If they roll out 5G and everyone starts having problems, then you can conveniently blame it on COV.

China's debt collapse is the most dangerous situation. I worry that as things spiral out of control there they'll do something stupid like invade Taiwan to distract their population from the domestic crises.

Russia already invaded their own version of Taiwan, so this one shouldn't be far off

 

[Peatogenic]

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This is what I've been thinking about lately. There was a yield curve inversion recently, so a recession was already baked in for 2020-21.
Coronavirus coming in now seems shady. Also seems shady that the pandemic started in the best possible place within China, at the best possible time.

Another possibility: Notice how there are reports of COV reinfecting people who recovered? Also reports that it can attack testicular tissue. What if it's just a smokescreen for 5G health effects? If they roll out 5G and everyone starts having problems, then you can conveniently blame it on COV.


Russia already invaded their own version of Taiwan, so this one shouldn't be far off

5G targeting elderly lungs in Wuhan and northern Italy?

 

[rei]

It's simpler and less conspiratorial than that. All over the world governments and corporate elites spent the last 25 years building up unsustainable debt, because it kept working out very well at the time for those involved. This includes your unionized American school teacher and German teacher with a totally unpayable pension, just as much as JP Morgan executives and CCP elites.

There was a hiccup in 2008, but they choked the engine and got the debt spigot spewing again. Now the bill is really coming due. And it can't be paid. The bond and currency market action right now is showing all the old patterns breaking down. No way can the 2008/2009 fiscal and monetary restart be done again. All the national governments are flat broke. China/Japan/USA/EU all broke. They're going to be forced to massively cut budgets in the face of a bad recession.

In exactly the same way these people acted similarly in running up insane debts, they're all acting the same way now to use the virus as an excuse and smokescreen. It's not a conspiracy. It's emergent correlated behavior that makes perfect sense and requires no coordination. It's what I would do, wouldn't you?

China's debt collapse is the most dangerous situation. I worry that as things spiral out of control there they'll do something stupid like invade Taiwan to distract their population from the domestic crises. Technically the USA is on the hook to defend Taiwan. But even if we did nothing there's a real chance Japan would spring to action. Either way it's a total global shitshow.

Things are not that dark. Because when we return to state-issued currency suddenly there is money for everything as the banking class does not get to live on others. The level of taxation we endure is completely insane compared to standard of living, because we are funding an elite class which does nothing but live on rent and control the world through economic dictatorship. Things are about to get infinitely worse towards a NWO dictatorship, or alternatively as i suspect covid is just a smokescreen for a complete economic reset where nations become sovereign once again.