MORE WEIGHT LOSS TALK

[TradClare]

Hehe…that’s my kind of roughing it. You and I seem to share a similar experience with dairy/dairy fat. I find it slimming, too. Since removing the last of the plants/fruit from my diet almost 2 months ago, I’ve been averaging daily 3 liters of raw milk, 6 oz of raw aged cheese, 4 oz of scallops or crab with butter, an egg dish like crustless quiche, a cup of homemade ice cream sweetened with honey or some honey in hot water and I’m down 5 lb. I don’t know how those on a carnivore diet keep weight on.

Everyone is so different. I think some people on carnivore diets don't lose weight until they give up the dairy products, and some don't even use butter. But then others put butter on everything...are you happy to be down 5 pounds? My weight stays pretty steady/healthy but goes down a few pounds when I'm not eating much dairy. Which I really like (I like being lighter and I really like dairy...sigh)

 

[Rinse & rePeat]

Hehe…that’s my kind of roughing it. You and I seem to share a similar experience with dairy/dairy fat. I find it slimming, too. Since removing the last of the plants/fruit from my diet almost 2 months ago, I’ve been averaging daily 3 liters of raw milk, 6 oz of raw aged cheese, 4 oz of scallops or crab with butter, an egg dish like crustless quiche, a cup of homemade ice cream sweetened with honey or some honey in hot water and I’m down 5 lb. I don’t know how those on a carnivore diet keep weight on.

We do run parallel Jennifer. Even as early as my teen years, I gravitated primarily toward dairy. I never craved fruits much, and not vegetables at all. I appreciated a little meat, but mostly just a little m in a soup, and maybe an occasional hamburger, but I think that was more because of the cheese, crappy thousand island sauce and the bun, or maybe it was the msg, but I can tell you it wasn’t the ground up animal. I use to make my New Year’s resolution the same thing each year, to try and eat salads and vegetables, and I eventually did eat tgem more liberally, if they I got extra, blue cheese dressing or tons of butter on those cooked vegetables. I had been brainwashed into eating a way that didn’t come natural for me. I can cook an excellent rib eye and appreciate a few good fatty bites of it, but was I meant to sit and eat a whole steak with sides too? Definitely not, though I acclimated myself to doing that for awhile. Once I learned it isn’t a great idea, it is like my brain had a party and pushed me back to the dairy. Vegetables the same thing. I can appreciate roasted broccoli and garlic and a salad too, but I am glad to not have to eat them for good health. Life is so much easier now relying on dairy. As to your quiche I am going to try a thin sliced white sweet potato crust for my next one. I love quiche! I had shrimp today too, sister!

 

[Jennifer]

Everyone is so different. I think some people on carnivore diets don't lose weight until they give up the dairy products, and some don't even use butter. But then others put butter on everything...are you happy to be down 5 pounds? My weight stays pretty steady/healthy but goes down a few pounds when I'm not eating much dairy. Which I really like (I like being lighter and I really like dairy...sigh)

It’s so true how different we all are. I’ve read quite a few accounts from members here and those following a carnivore diet who gain weight with dairy. I’m on the smaller side so 5 lbs is about all I can afford to lose before I start to look malnourished. It’s just that the diet is so satiating. On a high-carb diet, particularly fruit-based, I’m ravenous, so I’ve been using honey to stimulate my appetite.

 

[Jennifer]

We do run parallel Jennifer. Even as early as my teen years, I gravitated primarily toward dairy. I never craved fruits much, and not vegetables at all. I appreciated a little meat, but mostly just a little m in a soup, and maybe an occasional hamburger, but I think that was more because of the cheese, crappy thousand island sauce and the bun, or maybe it was the msg, but I can tell you it wasn’t the ground up animal. I use to make my New Year’s resolution the same thing each year, to try and eat salads and vegetables, and I eventually did eat tgem more liberally, if they I got extra, blue cheese dressing or tons of butter on those cooked vegetables. I had been brainwashed into eating a way that didn’t come natural for me. I can cook an excellent rib eye and appreciate a few good fatty bites of it, but was I meant to sit and eat a whole steak with sides too? Definitely not, though I acclimated myself to doing that for awhile. Once I learned it isn’t a great idea, it is like my brain had a party and pushed me back to the dairy. Vegetables the same thing. I can appreciate roasted broccoli and garlic and a salad too, but I am glad to not have to eat them for good health. Life is so much easier now relying on dairy. As to your quiche I am going to try a thin sliced white sweet potato crust for my next one. I love quiche! I had shrimp today too, sister!

Wow, we’re so similar, even in our youth. Except for shellfish and some pork products, I wasn’t a huge fan of meat, and I only started eating an appreciable amount of grains/starch and vegetables when I became vegetarian around the age of 12. I never cared for dry food so I had peculiar eating habits. For example, I dislike crusts so if my family went to a pizza place, there was almost always a salad bar and while everyone else had pizza, I would have a pile of cottage cheese topped with bacon bits and a side of fruit or I would eat the creamy filling and frosting portion of desserts and leave the pastry. I ate fruit daily, but nothing like when I followed 80/10/10 and fruitarianism. It was more like a side dish. I had fruit in yogurt, a serving of fruit cocktail with my meal, that sort of thing. Do you think we tolerate dairy so well because we continued having an abundance of it after “weaning?” Or…do you think ancestry plays a part? I’m excited to hear how your sweet potato “au gratin” crust turns out. Such a creative idea!

 

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Wow, we’re so similar, even in our youth. Except for shellfish and some pork products, I wasn’t a huge fan of meat, and I only started eating an appreciable amount of grains/starch and vegetables when I became vegetarian around the age of 12. I never cared for dry food so I had peculiar eating habits. For example, I dislike crusts so if my family went to a pizza place, there was almost always a salad bar and while everyone else had pizza, I would have a pile of cottage cheese topped with bacon bits and a side of fruit or I would eat the creamy filling and frosting portion of desserts and leave the pastry. I ate fruit daily, but nothing like when I followed 80/10/10 and fruitarianism. It was more like a side dish. I had fruit in yogurt, a serving of fruit cocktail with my meal, that sort of thing. Do you think we tolerate dairy so well because we continued having an abundance of it after “weaning?” Or…do you think ancestry plays a part? I’m excited to hear how your sweet potato “au gratin” crust turns out. Such a creative idea!

That is an interesting concept Jennifer, about our bodies, yours and mine, being more accepting of dairy, from not weening off of it, and maybe so. A person will metabolize fructose differently than it should eating too much of it. I drank good quality milk, in my teens, straight from the neighbors cow, and after moving away I had digestive issues, but not weight issues, through my twenties and thirties, and I was still drinking lots of milk. I was severely underweight at 5’4 and 106 pounds. I know chicken fat would get me throwing up anytime I ate it, but milk started doing that too if I ate it with a meal, and eventually I gave milk up, and then that started a lot of other health issues. It was only when I added milk back in, but raw milk, which was creepy to me and really expensive, did I blossom. I think what the milk is made of and the pasteurization, with it’s decay was my issues with milk. Though raw is more expensive then the cheap stuff a person can buy, it really isn’t a big deal when one is using it as a meal, it is like $1 for 8-ounces of it, and a meal with meat is far more expensive than that, and a soda too! I did well on a Paleo diet too, but not like “Peating” with lots of milk and honey. Funny I think of that phrase often, in Bible, about the perfect place, “The land of milk and honey”. As for the scalloped sweet potato crust idea it wasn’t mine, but I do use white sweet potatoes a lot, and am even growing them, not just for the potatoes, but the leaves, raw are delicious. They are tastier than spinach and kale, with a lot less iron and a lot less oxalates, so delicate tender and sweet. I am putting them in my creative quiche. It is going to be my K1 source rather than taking an occasional supplement.

 

[Jennifer]

That is an interesting concept Jennifer, about our bodies, yours and mine, being more accepting of dairy, from not weening off of it, and maybe so. A person will metabolize fructose differently than it should eating too much of it. I drank good quality milk, in my teens, straight from the neighbors cow, and after moving away I had digestive issues, but not weight issues, through my twenties and thirties, and I was still drinking lots of milk. I was severely underweight at 5’4 and 106 pounds. I know chicken fat would get me throwing up anytime I ate it, but milk started doing that too if I ate it with a meal, and eventually I gave milk up, and then that started a lot of other health issues. It was only when I added milk back in, but raw milk, which was creepy to me and really expensive, did I blossom. I think what the milk is made of and the pasteurization, with it’s decay was my issues with milk. Though raw is more expensive then the cheap stuff a person can buy, it really isn’t a big deal when one is using it as a meal, it is like $1 for 8-ounces of it, and a meal with meat is far more expensive than that, and a soda too! I did well on a Paleo diet too, but not like “Peating” with lots of milk and honey. Funny I think of that phrase often, in Bible, about the perfect place, “The land of milk and honey”. As for the scalloped sweet potato crust idea it wasn’t mine, but I do use white sweet potatoes a lot, and am even growing them, not just for the potatoes, but the leaves, raw are delicious. They are tastier than spinach and kale, with a lot less iron and a lot less oxalates, so delicate tender and sweet. I am putting them in my creative quiche. It is going to be my K1 source rather than taking an occasional supplement.

That’s wild. I get sick from poultry fat, too. I’m fine with ruminant and pork fat, but even just the smell of poultry fat makes me sick. It makes for an interesting Thanksgiving. You and I are a similar height, but what’s severely underweight for you is unachievable for me. lol The only time I was able to get my weight above 100 lb was when I was refeeding on 6,000+ calories a day. My digestion couldn’t keep up and I ended up in the hospital so I’ve accepted that I’m just meant to be on the smaller side. It’s funny you mention the land of milk and honey. I did the “Canaan diet” for a year when I reintroduced dairy. Even with it being comprised of raw dairy, my current diet costs half of what my previous diet cost. I spend roughly $100 a week dairy-based versus over $200 while fruit-based. When you say white sweet potatoes, do you mean the murasaki variety? I ate at least a pound of them daily when I was vegan. I didn’t know the leaves are edible. Sweet potato is the root tuber of morning glory, right? I thought morning glory was poisonous, but I must be thinking of its seeds. You actually get K2 from dairy, eggs, meat and if you eat liver, it’s also a good source.

 

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That’s wild. I get sick from poultry fat, too. I’m fine with ruminant and pork fat, but even just the smell of poultry fat makes me sick. It makes for an interesting Thanksgiving. You and I are a similar height, but what’s severely underweight for you is unachievable for me. lol The only time I was able to get my weight above 100 lb was when I was refeeding on 6,000+ calories a day. My digestion couldn’t keep up and I ended up in the hospital so I’ve accepted that I’m just meant to be on the smaller side. It’s funny you mention the land of milk and honey. I did the “Canaan diet” for a year when I reintroduced dairy. Even with it being comprised of raw dairy, my current diet costs half of what my previous diet cost. I spend roughly $100 a week dairy-based versus over $200 while fruit-based. When you say white sweet potatoes, do you mean the murasaki variety? I ate at least a pound of them daily when I was vegan. I didn’t know the leaves are edible. Sweet potato is the root tuber of morning glory, right? I thought morning glory was poisonous, but I must be thinking of its seeds. You actually get K2 from dairy, eggs, meat and if you eat liver, it’s also a good source.

That is wild! Yeah, no other fat does that to me, just chicken. Funny you would mention the cost of fruit doubling your grocery bill because that is why I am growing it. It is definitely not going to get back back to cheaper. I am still going to eat fruit since I want the color in my diet, but I am finding the timing is important. I know Ray strained his orange juice and I do too because of that recommendation, but I am finding that eating the whole fruit of watermelon and mango is fine as long as I don’t eat a large amount of it and eat it before my evening meal, before dark. It was terrible on my sleep, but I digest it just fine. I had three portions of it the day before yesterday, two without the fiber and mango, with the fiber and I didn’t gain any weight. Admittedly I lost a little more today not eating any yesterday, but shrimp usually does that to me, and I had it two days in a row. Even a bowl of boiled white sweet potatoes mixed with some regular red ones topped with a good amount of butter, some sour cream, green onion and hot sauce had me lose weight, and down a quarter pound more this morning. That wouldn’t be the case though if I had it as a side dish, at least not at night. As for the vitamin K, i get plenty of k2, it is the k1 I am after and the chlorophyll, and rather than take a supplement I am wanting it from food. I don’t want the boiled kale water as Ray suggested, because it is just too much trouble when I want it now. Sweet potato leaves, nettle leaves and watermelon rinds are going to be my go-to foods for instead. Sometimes I drink the strained water from the steamed broccoli, which is really good with a little salt and child, so unusually sweet. I was surprised too about the sweet potato leaves being so healthy, and I have found that many people grow sweet potatoes just for the leaves, and the produce a lot. The new leaves are delicious raw, but the bigger one are tougher and are better cooked.The leaves on regular potatoes are poisonous though. Many plants and species have their idiosyncrasies and I am studying them, wanting to identify wild edible things, to add to my survival skills. It’s a lot! I have always found health a fascinating subject, starting in my teens, but plants are a passion for me now too. Speaking of passion, I feed my passion fruit plant cow liver and my Venus flytrap live bugs, as they are both carnivorous plants. I bought this sign for my garden….

 

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You and I are a similar height, but what’s severely underweight for you is unachievable for me.

When I weighed 106, at 5’4, I was in a size zero and every bone in my rib cage on my chest, as well as my collar bone, were jetting out. People accused me of having bulimia or anorexia.

 

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Here is this weeks photo update on my No-dry food diet. I think my waist looks more slimmed in on the sides, and a particular pair of shorts were surprisingly looser yesterday too, in just seven days. It wasn’t hard, allowing myself some occasional boiled starches. Like I said above, I had boiled potatoes for dinner last night, white sweet potatoes and regular red ones, with butter sour cream, green onion and hot sauce, my homemade ice cream Affogato for breakfast, shrimp cocktail, and a little of my friend’s bleu cheese wedge salad at lunch, lots of whole milk and honey, no fruit, and I was down a quarter pound this morning. I am okay with that because my face still looks good, not gaunt at this same weight on grains,144 pounds. My pant size here is a 28, aka size 6, and my 100% silk top and jacket a size small, for reference. My point as always, is that it is not the number on the scale that matters, it is what those numbers are made of.

 

[Jennifer]

That is wild! Yeah, no other fat does that to me, just chicken. Funny you would mention the cost of fruit doubling your grocery bill because that is why I am growing it. It is definitely not going to get back back to cheaper. I am still going to eat fruit since I want the color in my diet, but I am finding the timing is important. I know Ray strained his orange juice and I do too because of that recommendation, but I am finding that eating the whole fruit of watermelon and mango is fine as long as I don’t eat a large amount of it and eat it before my evening meal, before dark. It was terrible on my sleep, but I digest it just fine. I had three portions of it the day before yesterday, two without the fiber and mango, with the fiber and I didn’t gain any weight. Admittedly I lost a little more today not eating any yesterday, but shrimp usually does that to me, and I had it two days in a row. Even a bowl of boiled white sweet potatoes mixed with some regular red ones topped with a good amount of butter, some sour cream, green onion and hot sauce had me lose weight, and down a quarter pound more this morning. That wouldn’t be the case though if I had it as a side dish, at least not at night. As for the vitamin K, i get plenty of k2, it is the k1 I am after and the chlorophyll, and rather than take a supplement I am wanting it from food. I don’t want the boiled kale water as Ray suggested, because it is just too much trouble when I want it now. Sweet potato leaves, nettle leaves and watermelon rinds are going to be my go-to foods for instead. Sometimes I drink the strained water from the steamed broccoli, which is really good with a little salt and child, so unusually sweet. I was surprised too about the sweet potato leaves being so healthy, and I have found that many people grow sweet potatoes just for the leaves, and the produce a lot. The new leaves are delicious raw, but the bigger one are tougher and are better cooked.The leaves on regular potatoes are poisonous though. Many plants and species have their idiosyncrasies and I am studying them, wanting to identify wild edible things, to add to my survival skills. It’s a lot! I have always found health a fascinating subject, starting in my teens, but plants are a passion for me now too. Speaking of passion, I feed my passion fruit plant cow liver and my Venus flytrap live bugs, as they are both carnivorous plants. I bought this sign for my garden….

I understand. I’ve had a passion for health since I was old enough to read and in my mid teens, I became obsessed with growing plants, particularly heirloom perennial and biennial flowers, and collected so many that they wrapped around the entire perimeter of my family’s property:



Your flytrap is so cute! Did you name it? Audrey II? :)

 

[Jennifer]

When I weighed 106, at 5’4, I was in a size zero and every bone in my rib cage on my chest, as well as my collar bone, were jetting out. People accused me of having bulimia or anorexia.

I understand. I was accused of having an eating disorder too, but only when I became ill and my weight dropped significantly—at my sickest, I was 67 lb. I’m thinking you and I have a different frame size because I’m just shy of 5’4” and 99 lb. You can see in my profile pic and the photo below that I do have a visible collar bone, but my chest ribs aren’t visible:

 

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I understand. I was accused of having an eating disorder too, but only when I became ill and my weight dropped significantly—at my sickest, I was 67 lb. I’m thinking you and I have a different frame size because I’m just shy of 5’4” and 99 lb. You can see in my profile pic and the photo below that I do have a visible collar bone, but my chest ribs aren’t visible:

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Here is a pic in my early twenties, not at my lowest, but collar bone staring to show. I am petite, but muscular at a size small and a size 6. You must be a size zero under a hundred pounds, or your bones and muscle don’t weigh much? I am going to keep looking for the horrible pic with my rib bones showing in my chest.

EDIT: This was me gaining weight back from 106. I was probably around 115 pounds in that pic, my spray tan days! Interesting that my lips look so thin too.

 

[Jennifer]

Here is a pic in my early twenties, not at my lowest, but collar bone staring to show. I am petite, but muscular at a size small and a size 6. You must be a size zero under a hundred pounds, or your bones and muscle don’t weigh much? I am going to keep looking for the horrible pic with my rib bones showing in my chest.

EDIT: This was me gaining weight back from 106. I was probably around 115 pounds in that pic, my spray tan days! Interesting that my lips look so thin too.

I don’t think you look too thin in that photo, but I’ll take your word for it. :) I wear a size 0 or 00 in juniors’ apparel. The smallest size in women’s apparel is too big for me so I have to wear juniors’, and juniors’ sizing is inconsistent. I think my thyroid is a factor in why my frame is so small. The first time I was made aware of it was when I was 18. My dance teacher went to adjust my hips and was taken aback at how narrow they are. Because my waist is narrow too, my proportions look normal so it surprised her. Even in my thirties I was routinely mistaken for a teenager. I’m around 30 in this photo and you can see how small I am compared to men (I’m swimming in my coat because it belongs to the guy next to me in black):

 

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I don’t think you look too thin in that photo, but I’ll take your word for it. :) I wear a size 0 or 00 in juniors’ apparel. The smallest size in women’s apparel is too big for me so I have to wear juniors’, and juniors’ sizing is inconsistent. I think my thyroid is a factor in why my frame is so small. The first time I was made aware of it was when I was 18. My dance teacher went to adjust my hips and was taken aback at how narrow they are. Because my waist is narrow too, my proportions look normal so it surprised her. Even in my thirties I was routinely mistaken for a teenager. I’m around 30 in this photo and you can see how small I am compared to men (I’m swimming in my coat because it belongs to the guy next to me in black):

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My face didn’t look too thin in that pic, just my collar bone. I wasn’t a size zero there anymore either. I feel for you having to try and keep weight on. Having been there I would rather lose weight than gain it. It is no fun to eat all the time or when you are not hungry. It is like a full time job. You look so cute in that photo Jennifer!

 

[Jennifer]

My face didn’t look too thin in that pic, just my collar bone. I wasn’t a size zero there anymore either. I feel for you having to try and keep weight on. Having been there I would rather lose weight than gain it. It is no fun to eat all the time or when you are not hungry. It is like a full time job. You look so cute in that photo Jennifer!

Oh, okay, so you were 115 lb in that photo? I can see 106 being too thin for you, sure. Another 9 lb off an already petite frame is a lot. Given you weren’t always that thin, it’s understandable why people were concerned about your shrinking size, though, it’s sad that they accused you of having an eating disorder. Even if you had, EDs are just as much a disease as any other disease so shaming someone with one is about as effective as shaming someone with cancer. Sadly, people can be insensitive, at times.

And thank you. :) We often wore goggles in the winter because of the wind so in combination with my hat, my brother said I looked like a demented pilot. He wasn’t wrong. You don’t want me flying your plane. “Strap yourself in, kid. We’re going to the moon!” Eating has definitely felt like a full time job, yes. As long as I get around 2500 cals daily, I maintain my weight but with the carnivore diet so satiating, it’s been challenging. I was down to 94 lb, but with the honey stimulating my appetite, I’ve been able to get enough calories to gain back the 5 lb.

I meant to ask you, you no longer find silk offensive? Your shirt doesn’t smell? I remember you saying that silk smells fishy to you.

 

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Oh, okay, so you were 115 lb in that photo? I can see 106 being too thin for you, sure. Another 9 lb off an already petite frame is a lot. Given you weren’t always that thin, it’s understandable why people were concerned about your shrinking size, though, it’s sad that they accused you of having an eating disorder. Even if you had, EDs are just as much a disease as any other disease so shaming someone with one is about as effective as shaming someone with cancer. Sadly, people can be insensitive, at times.

And thank you. :) We often wore goggles in the winter because of the wind so in combination with my hat, my brother said I looked like a demented pilot. He wasn’t wrong. You don’t want me flying your plane. “Strap yourself in, kid. We’re going to the moon!” Eating has definitely felt like a full time job, yes. As long as I get around 2500 cals daily, I maintain my weight but with the carnivore diet so satiating, it’s been challenging. I was down to 94 lb, but with the honey stimulating my appetite, I’ve been able to get enough calories to gain back the 5 lb.

I meant to ask you, you no longer find silk offensive? Your shirt doesn’t smell? I remember you saying that silk smells fishy to you.

“A demented pilot” that’s funny! I love silk, it is the raw silk I don’t like, that smells horrible, like fish.

 

[Jennifer]

“A demented pilot” that’s funny! I love silk, it is the raw silk I don’t like, that smells horrible, like fish.

Oh, I didn’t know there was a difference. I might get that silk rug after all.

 

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I understand. I’ve had a passion for health since I was old enough to read and in my mid teens, I became obsessed with growing plants, particularly heirloom perennial and biennial flowers, and collected so many that they wrapped around the entire perimeter of my family’s property:

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Your flytrap is so cute! Did you name it? Audrey II? :)

I named my flytrap Hunter! Again Jennifer we are so much alike. I grew plants in my room as a preteen and loved having the life and beauty around me. Your flowers were beautiful. I never grew flowers. I did plant experiments really. I have just started my garden and got the fruit in and am working now on the flowers, aka pollinator companions. I hope they look stunning and lush like yours!

 

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Oh, I didn’t know there was a difference. I might get that silk rug after all.

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