Milk Calcium And The Tryptophan-serotonin Pathway

Discussion in 'Doubts About Milk' started by Waremu, Feb 27, 2015.

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  1. tara

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    Man after my own heart, never go anywhere without food. :)

    Doesn't necessarily make it optimal as a major daily protein or calcium source if you have better things available, though.
     
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    I guess that makes sardines a part of Peat's diet (2015?).
    But not necessarily part of Narouz's current specs for the perfect Peat Diet.

    To me, this speaks to 'the perfect is the enemy of the good', and it not being necessary for most people to be so strict that they completely rule out most food.
     
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    Yes, some information was already provided earlier on the threat concerning tryptophan in milk and how casein and calcium both are protective in the milk. I think that isn't a huge concern now, as there seems to be good evidence backing that up. My original concern was that whenever the claim of calcium and casein in milk being protective from serotonin conversion was made, no to very little evidence was ever presented to back that up. But there does appear to be studies in this --- more than only one which I have seen Peat himself use mainly.

    But my main concern is also about the methionine content of diary and how there doesn't seem to be much if a way to effectively restrict that amino acid if one is trying to restrict all of the three main inflammatory amino acids that Ray talks about (cystein, tryptophan, methionine), with mwthionine being the most toxic.

    Yes, I have read what haidut has posted concerning serotonin and that isn't my main concern, really. My main concern is how to restrict the high methionine content of dairy.

    If one is restricting tryptophan, as Ray recommends, but not restricting methionine, that would seem a little counter-productive to me. I know that BCAA can reduce methionine absorption by 50%, but I don't want to have to rely on taking BCCA's every single time I consume dairy. I know keeping Felton up in the diet can help, but I just don't know how much protection it will other if one is consuming a large amount of methionine.
     
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    Is this your spell checker running amok? Or is Felton a thing I just haven't heard of yet?
     
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    I don't know, tara, I've always felt I could do with a bit more Felton.
     
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    Haha, yeah, I guess I was being a bit silly. To me, I don't know why Ray Peat would carry something that has more PUFA in it, than he'd like.

    Would he not carry dates around or something similar, instead? Or, if he does have to eat something from a tin, the tins of tuna we get here in the UK are pretty much zero in fat. I don't know, a few things seem to be different out there in the US, though.
     
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    Maybe some protein and calcium to go with whatever sugar source?
    Hasn't he said that tuna, being higher up the food chain, are likely to accumulate more mercury?
    Or maybe he just likes the taste of them. :)
     
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    Leather is just skin and cartilage - could make a good, gelatinous broth.
     
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    Or maybe you guys dont know as much about Peats work as you like to think you do
     
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    Could be that they digest better too. I know that, for me, no dates in the world are good for my digestion. Those things give me more irritation than anything else I've tried so far! Really bad things for my gut. I so wanted them to work as well. They have decent nutrition, are mega high in sugar and calories; Just what a guy, like me (who wants to limit fat and ramp his carbs right up), needs.

    And that's assuming that Ray does carry sardines everywhere!

    If he does though, it's interesting to look into the reasons why he choses 'A' over 'B'. Especially when they are as knowledgable as him.
     
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    We were just speculating on the reasons why Peat would chose sardines to carry about (if that is true). It's actually nothing to do with knowledge of Peat's work in general. Of course, only Peat would truly know why.
     
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    If you have information about this that the rest of us don't feel free to share it. :) As BobbyDukes said, we are explicitly speculating on this question.
     
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    No, all bad according to Peat - pufa is pufa. Oily fish like salmon has pufa. Same for many other Whole Foods, whether due to pufa or other poisons.
     
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    Where did you hear/read this, Vita?
     
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    Yes, I meant Gelatin. Auto correct on the iPhone is sometimes quite problematic and obtrusive.
     
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    why does peat have grey here then ? shouldnt his thyroid be optimal ?
     
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