Metergoline vs Lisuride vs Diamant vs Bromantane

[AndrogenicJB]

I know all of these are not specifically targeted at improving exercise performance but which do you think will have the best indirect effect. Also would you consider someone taking any of these as natty?

 

[Mauritio]

I'd say bromantane is best for exercise performance. Its banned by WADA.

 

[AndrogenicJB]

I'd say bromantane is best for exercise performance. Its banned by WADA.

Do you think metergoline and the others would create an anabolic environment due to the lowering of stress hormones

 

[Mauritio]

Do you think metergoline and the others would create an anabolic environment due to the lowering of stress hormones

Yeah lisuride has been shown to increase testosterone. But I think theres a lot better things for anabolism .

 

[AndrogenicJB]

Yeah lisuride has been shown to increase testosterone. But I think theres a lot better things for anabolism .

Would would you suggest thats not a hormone

 

[AndrogenicJB]

Would would you suggest thats not a hormone

What*

 

[Mauritio]

Gonadin ,cistanche tubulosa, kuinone , and or lanolin on an area with lots of steroidogenic enzymes . As discussed here:

The skin as a steroidogenic organ

Here's a collection of studies on the skin as a steroidogenic organ mainly to show that hormones like pregnenolone have a different metabolization topically, compared to orally. "The cutaneous steroidogenic system can also have systemic effects, which are emphasized by significant skin...

raypeatforum.com

 

[AndrogenicJB]

Gonadin ,cistanche tubulosa, kuinone , and or lanolin on an area with lots of steroidogenic enzymes . As discussed here:

The skin as a steroidogenic organ

Here's a collection of studies on the skin as a steroidogenic organ mainly to show that hormones like pregnenolone have a different metabolization topically, compared to orally. "The cutaneous steroidogenic system can also have systemic effects, which are emphasized by significant skin...

raypeatforum.com

Already using gonadin and kuinone, think it might be contributing to strength increases dont know for sure, have you tried lanolin before

 

[Mauritio]

Already using gonadin and kuinone, think it might be contributing to strength increases dont know for sure, have you tried lanolin before

Yeah I wrote about it in the thread . And I'll experiment with it in the future.

 

[AndrogenicJB]

Yeah I wrote about it in the thread . And I'll experiment with it in the future.

Which thread did you write about lanolin, also do you think cholesterol powder could be a strong natty anabolic

 

[Mauritio]

Which thread did you write about lanolin, also do you think cholesterol powder could be a strong natty anabolic

The one I linked above.

I've never tried it. it's probably highly individual . but you need good enzymatic downstream conversion (T3 is important for that)
Cistanche is good at that , as it boosts various steroidogenic enzymes .
IIRC there's actually some kind of a body building protocol that combines cholesterol/eggs with cistanche.

 

[AndrogenicJB]

The one I linked above.

I've never tried it. it's probably highly individual . but you need good enzymatic downstream conversion (T3 is important for that)
Cistanche is good at that , as it boosts various steroidogenic enzymes .
IIRC there's actually some kind of a body building protocol that combines cholesterol/eggs with cistanche.

Will check out the thread btw would you consider someone using lisuride/bromantane etc natty?

 

[Mauritio]

Will check out the thread btw would you consider someone using lisuride/bromantane etc natty?

Dont know I don't really think in those categories. Better would be pro or anti-metabolic ?

 

[AndrogenicJB]

what are your experiences with lisuride, will it create a high dopamine/t/dht/low e/seronin/prolactin/cortisol state, increase libido? what did you experience

Dont know I don't really think in those categories. Better would be pro or anti-metabolic ?

 

[Mauritio]

what are your experiences with lisuride, will it create a high dopamine/t/dht/low e/seronin/prolactin/cortisol state, increase libido? what did you experience

Yeah a slight dopamine increase with a touch of microdose of lsd ,but nothing drastic.

 

[AndrogenicJB]

Yeah a slight dopamine increase with a touch of microdose if lsd ,but nothing drastic.

Do you think metergolien/diamant would be better for libido/dopamine and anti-stress hormones than lisuride

 

[Mauritio]

Do you think metergolien/diamant would be better for libido/dopamine and anti-stress hormones than lisuride

I think you should try it out. They're all anti-stress, but experiences vary so much that it's hard to predict.

 

[Hans]

Would would you suggest thats not a hormone

Food, training, sleep and time. Maybe creatine, but really nothing else. If you got those in check, supplements won't do anything. Milk, eggs, meat and other sources of carbs will be the most anabolic. Being consistent with an overloading, well designed program, will get you 95% to your peak in 5-6 years if you do everything right in that time.

Don't waste money on supplements if your goal is strength and hypertrophy. You're most likely not going to use a supplement consistently for 5 years or even half a year.

 

[AndrogenicJB]

Food, training, sleep and time. Maybe creatine, but really nothing else. If you got those in check, supplements won't do anything. Milk, eggs, meat and other sources of carbs will be the most anabolic. Being consistent with an overloading, well designed program, will get you 95% to your peak in 5-6 years if you do everything right in that time.

Don't waste money on supplements if your goal is strength and hypertrophy. You're most likely not going to use a supplement consistently for 5 years or even half a year.

I've got diet on check and know how to build muscle, my curiousity is with just creating a more androgenic environment on top off diet in daily life, did you see my private message about maintenance calories by any chance? Thanks

 

[Hans]

I've got diet on check and know how to build muscle, my curiousity is with just creating a more androgenic environment on top off diet in daily life, did you see my private message about maintenance calories by any chance? Thanks

Using supplements to enhance a natty state will make such a minor difference in muscle growth compared to steroids. If you're not making gains fast with gym (in the first 5-6 years), there is most likely still things you can optimize.