Messed Up My Copper Levels: Don't Do This (please Help)

[Hans]

the imperfections in the nails can also come from insufficient B6.

Or selenium

 

[Tristan Loscha]

Or selenium

True.
Nice overview i found in regard to nailhealth and diagnostics:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5527843/pdf/Dtsch_Arztebl_Int-113-0509.pdf

 

[redsun]

I’m having similar issues regarding the bulging veins, especially in my arm crook. I was never able to even see my veins there unless I really stretched my arm and looked but now they are completely visible. I was supplementing 10mg zinc and switched to copper plus zinc. I notice though that after switching I get those little white spots on my nails that are supposed to be a sign of low zinc.

Zinc will help store more histamine in the body. Manganese also. Zinc will also reduce sympathetic nervous system activity by reducing conversion of dopamine to noradrenaline. Noradrenaline will constrict blood vessels generally and when there is less sympathetic activity your veins will dilate and you'll look more vascular. You not a fan of the visible arm veins? I don't feel right without them.

As for the nails, the 1mg copper may have messed with your zinc but I highly doubt it.

 

[LUH 3417]

Zinc will help store more histamine in the body. Manganese also. Zinc will also reduce sympathetic nervous system activity by reducing conversion of dopamine to noradrenaline. Noradrenaline will constrict blood vessels generally and when there is less sympathetic activity your veins will dilate and you'll look more vascular. You not a fan of the visible arm veins? I don't feel right without them.

As for the nails, the 1mg copper may have messed with your zinc but I highly doubt it.

I’m a female and I like when the top side of my hands are not bulgy. Interesting though

 

[Tristan Loscha]

I’m a female and I like when the top side of my hands are not bulgy. Interesting though

since when did you go from low to higher bloodpressures?
any change in Salt intake?

 

[LUH 3417]

since when did you go from low to higher bloodpressures?
any change in Salt intake?

I started eating more salt because I thought it would help my adrenals. It’s been a few years but before that I was always around 110/70 and now I’m pretty much hypertensive even though I’m younger than 30. Kind of scary.

 

[Tristan Loscha]

I started eating more salt because I thought it would help my adrenals. It’s been a few years but before that I was always around 110/70 and now I’m pretty much hypertensive even though I’m younger than 30. Kind of scary.

What is the official diagnosis? how much salt approx. did you ate before,and after salt-loading?

 

[redsun]

I’m a female and I like when the top side of my hands are not bulgy. Interesting though

Oh I see that makes sense. In that case you would want a bit more sympathetic activation but too much is bad. Vitamin C, copper, certain amino acids stimulate the sympathetic well so eating lots of natural vitamin C from fruits and eating more minerals and protein is going to help stimulate the sympathetic. Caffeine is good for this as well.

 

[Tristan Loscha]

What is the official diagnosis? how much salt approx. did you ate before,and after salt-loading?

Anti-Peat - High-Salt Augments Aldosterone Toxicity Despite Lowered Plasma-Readings

On the 2nd Page,i dumped images around hypertension and Salt,maybe you want to take a look
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[LUH 3417]

What is the official diagnosis? how much salt approx. did you ate before,and after salt-loading?

I don’t know really. I also gained weight using cyproheptadine. No official diagnosis just from readings at the office or on a home monitor. Also have very high pulse but that’s even when I was hypotensive

 

[LUH 3417]

Anti-Peat - High-Salt Augments Aldosterone Toxicity Despite Lowered Plasma-Readings

On the 2nd Page,i dumped images around hypertension and Salt,maybe you want to take a look
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Thank you

 

[Tristan Loscha]

you are welcome.

 

[LUH 3417]

Oh I see that makes sense. In that case you would want a bit more sympathetic activation but too much is bad. Vitamin C, copper, certain amino acids stimulate the sympathetic well so eating lots of natural vitamin C from fruits and eating more minerals and protein is going to help stimulate the sympathetic. Caffeine is good for this as well.

Thank you. Does vitamin C displace copper? I notice I’ve been having very intense cravings for chocolate and beef.

 

[redsun]

Thank you. Does vitamin C displace copper? I notice I’ve been having very intense cravings for chocolate and beef.

Vitamin C can inhibit copper absorption but C works with copper in the body and megadoses of vitamin C for long periods can likely create a copper deficiency. Megadoses meaning nutritional supplements. Thing is vitamin C will also raise noradrenaline quite reliably in my experience( Dopamine to noradrenaline requires Copper and Vitamin C) using 500mg tablets. You can try higher vitamin C fruits it will have the same effect without having to rely on tablets and is better since it is natural foods we are talking about.

 

[artist]

I hate to say it but I also find the more sugar (fructose) I eat the worse the problem seems to be and there's a lot of literature on fructose inducing copper deficiency.
It's possible that this alone is hampering me and other people on this forum as we tend to eat much more fructose than the average person.
I'm sticking to glucose carbs til the problem resolves.

 

[LUH 3417]

Vitamin C can inhibit copper absorption but C works with copper in the body and megadoses of vitamin C for long periods can likely create a copper deficiency. Megadoses meaning nutritional supplements. Thing is vitamin C will also raise noradrenaline quite reliably in my experience( Dopamine to noradrenaline requires Copper and Vitamin C) using 500mg tablets. You can try higher vitamin C fruits it will have the same effect without having to rely on tablets and is better since it is natural foods we are talking about.

I supplemented both zinc and high dose vitamin C for years. Oops.

 

[redsun]

Hi everyone

I have been contending w/ a new problem since about June. I had been supplementing 1mg/day molybdenum in a hope of dealing with issues tolerating thiols. I was humming along on this diet and protocol and feeling like I had finally figured all my problems out. After about 2 months of doing this I abruptly started having broken capillaries, the beginnings of varicose veins, bulging veins on my hands/feet/arms/temples, sharp pains in the veins in my feet, bruising around my ankles, and worsened allergy shiners. The veins in my right arm crook now permanently stick out. Molybdenum strongly opposes copper and can remove it from the body, much more strongly than even zinc which I've previously also supplemented.

After some trial and error I concluded I had messed up my copper levels and started aggressively supplementing copper glycinate and well as chlorophyll, total 4-10 mg copper per day. The problem seemed to be very slowly subsiding (taking horse chestnut may have helped as well).

However, any small amount of zinc supplement will now set me back almost to the beginning of my recovery from this problem (another clue that I'm right about the deficiency). I have histamine intolerance and people with HIT theoretically have heavier demands on copper due to its need in enzymes that break histamine down and tend to have low levels. Having experimented with zinc to deal with some estrogen and viral issues the other week I'm now dealing with worsened vein problems all over. Fluid pools under my eyes more easily which is particularly stressful for me. Energy drinks seem to make the problem much worse as well.

Obviously I don't plan on supplementing zinc anymore (maybe ever again). But is it possible for my copper status to be that delicate? I find it so strange yet it seems to be the case. I want to get my levels up enough that I have some buffer but it seems harder then expected.

I don't have health insurance but I'm considering paying out of pocket for some blood tests, however I have heard they aren't very conclusive for mineral status. Does anyone have ideas about this ? I'm considering taking larger quantities of copper but I understand it can be dangerous.

Can you tell us of any other effects you have experienced from this? How did it affect sleep, quality of life, mood etc... Thanks

 

[TibRex]

Tanks for the heads-up!
what brand and ingreedients had the liquid preparation?

You can drink the water left overnight in a copper vessel ... no need to buy expensive supplements.

 

[mouse]

I've been copper deficient to varying degrees for years now, along with histamine issues of unknown origin, and chelating mercury during most of it with a frequent dose ALA protocol. The only things which really aggravated my copper issues were chelation itself, and molybdenum in high doses. High doses of zinc and Vitamin C never had any effect. Taurine didn't seem to have an effect but I have insufficient bile. Perhaps gut issues prevent my gut metallothioneins from having a normal zinc/copper antagonism? I have no idea.

The only things that really helped with copper retention were estradiol or estriol cream in small doses (one sign of low estrogen for me is constant stomach pain), and high doses of Vitamin D, probably via increasing estrogen because that also helped my stomach, albeit nowhere near as well as estrogen directly.

I used to have thiol tolerance issues and moly helped a little. Fortunately the thiol issue disappeared completely a couple years ago.

I still take moly (1-3mg/day) because for whatever reason it stops a chronic sinusitis that seems related to iron transport issues. My serum copper was low in range (around 12) without copper supplementation, and I started supplementing again because my skin wasn't healing properly. The only reason I avoided taking copper is that it aggravates my histamine issues. I've also had bottom of the range serum uric acid for years and the moly has not helped increase it.

 

[GreekDemiGod]

Spotted an ad yesterday saying if you're constantly fatigued and can't concentrate well, you might have an Iron deficiency.
I was suspected several times during my childhoold of being anemic, it never came true.