Men Should Ejaculate at Least 21 Times a Month To Slash Their Prostate Cancer Risk

[TheSir]

Thinking about it, the reason masturbation has been so frowned upon in the past could be the same as for homosexuality: it deprives sexual activity of the possibility of procreation, which is of utmost importance for the survival of the community. That said, I think the invention and widespread use of contraception changed everything, and the days where sex was primarily about reproduction are definitely over (though the problem of sub-replacement fertility remains).

That's a good point and a fair argument. I think there is some additional depth to the association between masturbation and the survival of community, as sexual excess diminishes the individual's ability to contribute to the community. Conversely, there is hardly any limit in the lengths to which the sexually energized (or frustrated) male is ready to go when it comes to the interests of them and their community.

Apologies for leaving you hanging, I simply forgot to respond.

The nofap crew consistently cite people like Tesla, Tyson etc. as examples when there's plenty of examples of people who jerk off nonstop and are successful and fine both with women and in life. Tyson Fury for example?

Rather than comparing masturbating and abstaining individuals of varying levels of success to each other (which quickly becomes quite arbitrary), perhaps a more useful inquiry would be: could they be even better off if they practiced sexual moderation? Masturbating does not necessarily stand in your way to success, but an argument can certainly be made that it has the potential to prevent you from becoming the best you could be.

By the way, Fury's less recent interviews suggest that he may have been joking around when he claimed to masturbate seven times a day, in case that is what you're referring to. In the past he has talked about how he abstains during training. Could be an attempt to throw his opponents off.

 

[Peatogenic]

My self reliant orgasms are overwhelming, and they are incredibly stress-relieving. No fog of any kind...but I remember they used to drain me a few years ago. But with real sex I've noticed that it has more psychological benefits...like it sort of erases any neuroses. But it doesn't have the overwhelm.

Someone was talking about trauma, I've had a lot. And I know that orgasm can be a tool for self regulating. Like some people turn to drugs. I first started addressing this trauma a few years ago. I realized that a lot of men "think about sex all the time" and I couldn't relate. It wasn't like I didn't have a libido, it was that I didn't think of people sexually day to day. It would have to be someone I know in some way. Only recently I've started to relate to thinking about sex actively. It's all relative to dissociation.

 

[mariantos]

Typical tradcon b.s. chicks are having sex with 100+ guys now on average but we're worried about young men jerking off bc it's a sin...

The nofap crew consistently cite people like Tesla, Tyson etc. as examples when there's plenty of examples of people who jerk off nonstop and are successful and fine both with women and in life. Tyson Fury for example?

Although this thread focuses mainly on the positive and negative effects of male masturbation, please keep in mind that in my final writings I did not target a specific group, but generalized. Masturbation is a rather addictive trap for both men and women. There are also many smart girls / women who have masturbated in the past and who now practice abstinence from this degrading practice.


I do not know if you had the opportunity to talk to women who have faced or are facing this problem, I recommend you do it. Look, it's none of my business if the man prefers to shed his seed regularly and if the woman is willing to water the seed behind him or separately, it's strictly their choice, so I'm not worried about that. My duty, instead, is to sound the alarm about this practice, because it is harmful, degrading and what I write to you reflects reality, whether you like it or not.


Regarding the fact that the woman mates with 10/100 or 1000 men and among others the man in turn adopts the same behavior, I assure you that both in this case will be affected by these choices, sooner or later. I am one of the people who has been affected by these wicked practices. I represent an unhappy case, but happy at the same time, because if the Lord did not allow me to get sick, that is, to become practically incapable of performing sexually, I would have continued like a madman with the abominations I was doing, depravity and nothing more, my soul was lost. There are many like me, men and women at the same time, I bet you have never met a woman who actually cries when you talk to her about these issues, who tells you that she hates men, that she hates herself because of unfortunate experiences. I have a very good friend, with whom I was talking about something similar just yesterday, he is still used to walking from branch to branch and he told me that he feels very alone, empty, emotionless, unhappy etc. From the road he is on now, I have returned tired, consumed and undoubtedly injured.


Please note that I have friends with whom we do not go into detail about what happens in bed or with whom, even if we know about each other, because we have our own conduct that we follow and respect, but even so he felt the need to tell me and then, few men will tell you such things, because there is that pride, that ego, most of them will encourage you to resort to such practices, as I was encouraged, but also as there are many others everywhere. The problem is that when you connect with a person, there is inevitably a connection between your souls, whether you notice it or not, it is not all about that chemical explosion that causes great pleasure to the body, it is much more than that.


The more such connections occur, the more toxic the cargo / baggage you send or receive. I also mention the fact that you will not be satisfied only with the normal act itself, ie you will want something else, to get to other parts / places, not only in the usual one, then you will not be satisfied with just that, you will want to be with someone else to do disgusting things to a woman, you will want and you will meet women who want to do it in three (2 women and a man) or in a larger group and you will find, it is a vicious circle, I don't want to elaborate here, because I'm sure you can't understand what I'm writing to you now, it will seem pleasant to you, but those who have been hit by such a thing know what I'm talking about. Your mind will be corrupted, perverted, this "world" is toxic and it reconciles extremely well with the consumption of forbidden substances and alcohol. Porn movies should not be different from reality, otherwise why would there be so many categories available to consumers? It wouldn't make sense, right?!

It may seem strange to you, but even when you masturbate to a porn movie and lust for that woman or that man, the same connection is formed.
E.g. If you are a married man, in the meantime you choose to masturbate while watching porn movies, you will later transmit, when you couple with your clean wife, that burden, that ungodly/unjust soul connection that took place between you and the person in question, inevitably, thus your wife will be affected, even if she will not notice easily or will not know why what is happening to her is happening to her, but thank God because this process is also reversible!

Now let's try but be realistic, at least in some places if not completely. Why do you think the divorce rate is growing exponentially, why are so many unhappy couples, so many families falling prey to disintegration? If masturbating and having sex outside of marriage, which have reached alarming heights, would be beneficial, why so many depressed, sad, unfulfilled people etc.? Think about this!

I think the sex "industry" is the largest and most extensive of all. Sure, it doesn't make as much money as the armaments industry, but it is, if not the same, perhaps more lethal than this. If you are careful around you, you will notice the devastating effects it has left on individuals, both women and men. Over 60% of the ladies dress as if they were selling something and as such the man seeks to buy the product on display, through various methods, thus devaluing both the man and the woman, the decadence is not only social but also physical, moral, however, this is another topic and I do not want to go into details.

I do not want to lie just to thank the enthusiasts or to please those who follow these practices, either masturbation or sex outside of marriage, because it would mean lying to myself first of all and then I would do an injustice. I strongly advise, as I mentioned before, that both men and women seek as much as possible to establish a healthy relationship, to get married and have sex as their heart desires, because it is good, pleasant, beautiful and healthy. That is why God has left this sacred act of sex for us, so that we can rejoice and become even more attached to each other through the soul connection and the love that comes from it.

The porn industry, but also sexual relations outside of marriage, only pervert this wonderful act of sex that has been given to us. I ask young people to be very careful with these things, even if it may seem funny what I write for some or uninteresting at first glance!

 

[Ben.]

Over 60% of the ladies dress as if they were selling something and as such the man seeks to buy the product on display, through various methods, thus devaluing both the man and the woman, the decadence is not only social but also physical, moral, however, this is another topic and I do not want to go into details.

You described fairly well what i feel when i see the majority of woman dressing/behaving like this. I just never could put it into words properly.

As in, i see them, they look "attractive" and they are obviously engaging/activating the animalistic mechanics inside me but on the same note i am thinking thats not who i want to be with nor whom i want to be close with. Thats not a kind or type of woman i'd want to wife or have kids with." It's a odd feeling hard to capture with verbal language.

Not that i personally think either is wrong or right, just that i know what i want/like and there is truth to the connection aspect.

 

[eat my peat]

I have intercourse many times each week, as often as possible. Ejaculating rarely helps tremendously.

I find this discussion interesting because when I did no fap for a couple weeks I felt invincible.

I have the urge to masturbate often. But I can see that practising ejaculating rarely would certainly make me stronger in all other aspects of life.

How did you reach that stage though? Did you train kegal/reverse kegal ?

 

[Jing]

I find this discussion interesting because when I did no fap for a couple weeks I felt invincible.

I have the urge to masturbate often. But I can see that practising ejaculating rarely would certainly make me stronger in all other aspects of life.

How did you reach that stage though? Did you train kegal/reverse kegal ?

I'd like to know too I find it easy to have sex without ejaculating I've done it many times but it just ends up causing me frequent urination and pain.

 

[TheSir]

@mariantos What a thoughtful post!

 

[mariantos]

You described fairly well what i feel when i see the majority of woman dressing/behaving like this. I just never could put it into words properly.

As in, i see them, they look "attractive" and they are obviously engaging/activating the animalistic mechanics inside me but on the same note i am thinking thats not who i want to be with nor whom i want to be close with. Thats not a kind or type of woman i'd want to wife or have kids with." It's a odd feeling hard to capture with verbal language.

Not that i personally think either is wrong or right, just that i know what i want/like and there is truth to the connection aspect.

The woman has the power to bring the man to her knees, but also to lift / exalt the man.

The man has the power to guide the woman in how to use her power.

Therefore we men contribute to the condition of women and vice versa, I can only say that I'm glad you're judging clearly Ben!

 

[Daniil]

Abstinence definitely won't work for me, because if I don't do this or have sex, I'll only think about sex and want to **** everything. I have an excessive libido as it is, but if to add Abstinence, it will be pizdets.

 

[Kayaker]

Abstinence definitely won't work for me, because if I don't do this or have sex, I'll only think about sex and want to **** everything. I have an excessive libido as it is, but if to add Abstinence, it will be pizdets.

Jam to some catchy tunes instead of heaving the old sausage left and right.

The Effect Of Music On Testosterone Levels

Negative correlation between salivary testosterone concentration and preference for sophisticated music in males: Negative correlation between salivary testosterone concentration and preference for sophisticated music in males - ScienceDirect Abstract : Music constitutes an integral part of...

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[Explorer]

Definitely not bull****. Just a few of the men who have either openly said or suggested that they practice NoFap/SR:

Rickson Gracie, world-renowned 9th-Degree BJJ Red Belt

Kanye West

Elon Musk

Andrew Huberman, Stanford Neuroscientist

Elliott Hulse

Donald Trump

50 Cent

Rapper Kevin Gates

Muhammad Ali and Winston Churchill


View: https://youtu.be/jBUdP608pGo

Trump, Musk, Churchill were born in upper class so a lot of their success was kickstarted by support

Many of those people were born before internet was widespread and probably didn't have brains wired to tech usage growing up so on average their dopamine systems are more tied to real world and they are less likely to use tech/porn/etc. to cope compared to younger generations whose subconscious adapted to technified more passive type of neuron mode

Of course if you have goals you will be less likely to fap

Doesn't mean it was nofap itself that made them successful but the passions they found made them not need to indulge in hedonism as much likely

 

[Explorer]

I'd argue the discomfort men in pursuing abstinence is 80% a conditioned response. E.g., not because you're some manly man with a powerful libido. A toxic environment and pornographic culture will warp one's glandular and nervous system. Social isolation, cultural decadence, poor diet and lack of meaningful pursuits will make masturbation a powerful "outlet."

But we know that "outlet" isn't really a complete metaphor as there is a corresponding morphological changes into the coomer phenotype. If you spend your formative years masturbating, you will establish powerful habitual tendencies you will live with until your sexual faculties fade away unless you consciously change. This of course is amplified tremendously when if porn is involved.

The coomer phenotype is mostly a myth, proper metabolism/nutrition/rest/low stress/good sleep/Thyroid function get rid of 95% of issues nofap zealots associate to be related with ejaculating when in reality they are high prolactin/estrogen/cortisol/serotonin low dopamine/DHT/Thyroid/Testosterone associated symptoms

In summers with good nutrition, rest, sleep, exercise my libido is higher compared to any other times, the erections are harder, I gain muscle easier, more energy and can have sexual activities more often with less bad feelings compared to e.g. winters

So it is all about health and metabolism as everything else, just like Ray Peat said

Most nofappers would benefit more from constructing goals/habits to focus on and improving their hormones/metabolism than hanging out in those deranged discord/reddit nofap/semen retention communities in which people spend hours obsessing about their streaks, stroking and circlejerking each other's ego of how much of Chad masculine redpiller retainers they now are and how they have tapped into some 5D dimension that ordinary coomer wankers just cannot grasp and how they now have all the answers to world and know how to lead the society because they didn't ejaculate for months lol, it is toxic, pathetic and reductionistic - the whole way how many of the nofappers/semen retainers act and behave

You are more likely to succeed by just doing things and not overthinking whether your streak is long enough for you to be successful or not than gaining month long streaks but not doing much practical action meanwhile for it all to be gone once you fall from the streak

Whereas action derived results last longer compared to the nofap/semen retention streak which lose it's effects the moment you do not practice it compared to hormone/metabolism improvement, exercise, sleep optimization, supplementation, skill/career development - all of which have longer lasting permanent effects

 

[Jib]

Masturbation =/= ejaculation. It is important to note the difference.

 

[Daniil]

Jam to some catchy tunes instead of heaving the old sausage left and right.

The Effect Of Music On Testosterone Levels

Negative correlation between salivary testosterone concentration and preference for sophisticated music in males: Negative correlation between salivary testosterone concentration and preference for sophisticated music in males - ScienceDirect Abstract : Music constitutes an integral part of...

raypeatforum.com

Lowering testosterone?

 

[Kayaker]

Lowering testosterone?

Yes. It may be the mechanism by which music aids abstinence in males.

 

[rothko]

Masturbation =/= ejaculation. It is important to note the difference.

usually one ends in the other. seems like a painful prospect to just do the former...

 

[Daniil]

Yes. It may be the mechanism by which music aids abstinence in males.

I am a music fan already

 

[Kayaker]

usually one ends in the other. seems like a painful prospect to just do the former...

What about ejaculating without orgasm?

 

[Kayaker]

I am a music fan already

In this case, you should listen if you have the urge to masturbate to get the testosterone down.

 

[TheSir]

The coomer phenotype is mostly a myth, proper metabolism/nutrition/rest/low stress/good sleep/Thyroid function get rid of 95% of issues nofap zealots associate to be related with ejaculating when in reality they are high prolactin/estrogen/cortisol/serotonin low dopamine/DHT/Thyroid/Testosterone associated symptoms

Note that engaging in harm reduction in regard to a harmful outlet cannot turn the harmful outlet into a positive one. Even if you reduced the issues attributed to frequent ejaculation down to mere 5%, it would still remain as a net negative practice.

So it is all about health and metabolism as everything else, just like Ray Peat said

Naturally, in which the way you handle your sexuality plays a significant part.

Most nofappers would benefit more from constructing goals/habits to focus on and improving their hormones/metabolism

Wouldn't most of everyone? POIS or not, your ability to set goals and willingness to focus on them, as well as your hormones and metabolism, are all influenced by abstinence and indulgence alike.

compared to the nofap/semen retention streak which lose it's effects the moment you do not practice it

Isn't that precisely your problem though? To a person without POIS, the systemic effects of abstinence and indulgence are cumulative rather than sudden. You may be fallaciously assuming that once the suddenness of the effects is gone, no effects are any longer occurring at all.

What about ejaculating without orgasm?

As far as the debate about cancer and other kinds of harm to the reproductive organs goes, sexual stimulation without a release is one thing that may actually be harmful. It would most definitely result in a larger amount of metabolic stress than either strict abstinence or frequent ejaculation alone.