Matt Stone, Water & Salt, Blood Fluid Concentration

[mayweatherking]

I did some google searches and found some Matt Stone stuff around, however, I'm starting to think this guy is onto something. I jsut bought his book and found this excerpt:

"When you are cold, especially in the hands or feet, your urine is clear, the urge to urinate is strong, , or you are peeing frequently... YOUR NEED TO EAT MORE AND DRINK LESS

When you are hot, especially in the hands and feet, your urine is dark or you haven't peed in a long time.. YOU NEED TO EAT LESS AND DRINK MORE"

Now, I think for many people.. the whole liquids are bad discussion when you are in poor thyroid state has come up a lot. This has been true for me. I actually remember a time when I would drink water, and feel my scalp get itchy, and have no idea the principle behind it. I'm starting to think now hair loss has a lot of to do with the comment he made above.

I don't think Matt Stone's diet seems very good, I haven't finished the book, but from what I read he just wants people to eat basically anything..

But from a peat perspective, and food being so highly liquid.. I wonder how some of matt stone's stuff come into play.

When people drink milk, and then they feel "cold" and they don't know why, could it be because of the reason above? I think so, I think their body is too messed up from a fluid perspecitve and not enough salt and they are unable to finish the food.

This is the path I will try doing now. I will try eating solid foods until I get warm, then incorporate liquids after that.

What do you guys think? Has anyone tried matt stone's stuff from a peat perspective? The question is how to correct it. From a peat perspective, simply having enough thyroid and sodium and you can do anything with water, but if you are in the negative state, I think you might need to only do solid food following the principle above until your thyroid gest back on track, and then you can go full peat?

 

[mayweatherking]

Constipation from a peat perspective, quoted from his article:


Sometimes doctors recommend that constipated people should drink extra water, "to soften the stool." The colon is where water is removed from the intestinal contents, and when it is inflamed, it removes too much water. Several decades ago, it was recognized (Orr, et al., 1931) that hypertonic saline, given intravenously, would stimulate intestinal peristalsis, and could be used to treat paralytic ileus and intestinal obstruction.

When water is taken orally, it is absorbed high in the intestine, long before it reaches the colon, so the recommendation to drink water for constipation can produce a situation that's the opposite of intravenous hypertonic saline, by diluting the blood. Using a hypertonic salt solution as an enema can have the same beneficial effect on the intestine as the intravenous treatment.

Constipation physiology is probably analogous to the physiology of congestive heart failure, in which muscles are weakened and fatigued by swelling.

http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/water.shtml

 

[Lecarpetron]

I did exactly what you said...did the Matt Stone Eat Everything plan for a while, then slowly added more liquid in the form of milk and OJ. Milk now makes me warmer.

By the way, Matt Stone does advocate PUFA avoidance. My takeaway from his stuff was: the second worst thing you can eat is PUFA. The very worst thing you can eat is nothing.

 

[mayweatherking]

I did exactly what you said...did the Matt Stone Eat Everything plan for a while, then slowly added more liquid in the form of milk and OJ. Milk now makes me warmer.

By the way, Matt Stone does advocate PUFA avoidance. My takeaway from his stuff was: the second worst thing you can eat is PUFA. The very worst thing you can eat is nothing.

good to know.. what did you eat mainly on the diet in matt stone style? is coffee really that bad in a poor metabolic state? i no

 

[Lecarpetron]

My main food groups at the beginning were cheeseburgers, pizza, and ice cream. As Peaty as possible (hagen daz vanilla, etc).

As much as I would have loved for oysters and liver to be my "warming" foods, they just weren't at that point. Red meat and white flour had magical warming qualities coming out of undereating.

 

[Lecarpetron]

I had no trouble with coffee as long as it had sugar and cream, even in a poor metabolic state.

 

[mayweatherking]

My main food groups at the beginning were cheeseburgers, pizza, and ice cream. As Peaty as possible (hagen daz vanilla, etc).

As much as I would have loved for oysters and liver to be my "warming" foods, they just weren't at that point. Red meat and white flour had magical warming qualities coming out of undereating.

very interesting. wish i knew the implications with hair loss involved in this. it's funny actually. i've noticed before that i've had times where I never felt "scalp itch" when I ate foods that should be junk, like what you are saying above, but when I ate peaty foods, I did feel it. I think this could explain a lot of my problems. maybe why if anything my hair loss accelerated while doing peat style, attempting to get my thyroid working again, but not being successful. hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

 

[mayweatherking]

My main food groups at the beginning were cheeseburgers, pizza, and ice cream. As Peaty as possible (hagen daz vanilla, etc).

As much as I would have loved for oysters and liver to be my "warming" foods, they just weren't at that point. Red meat and white flour had magical warming qualities coming out of undereating.

did you get hormones checked and everything, like you were thyroid deficient and now you are OK? or you had high estrogen or something and now it dropped? i've had very low libido for a while, looking to boost it.

this is amazing. im so happy i found this out and actually know the reason. i think this can help a lot of people. i dont know if many people made this connection here. everyone just says milk can be bad and liquid can be bad but i never knew this explanation before. damn. almost cost me my entire scalp to figure this out. lol. damn.

 

[mayweatherking]

i just ate half a pizza to see what would happen... i had to urinate after the first slice and felt hungry immediately following it, now my temperature is 99.8 without taking any thyroid or taking any supplements or anything. very interesting these concepts, i really wonder how to fully combine them with peat or when is the right time to "switch" over.

it also makes me think peat is taking thyroid supplementation for this particular reason.

 

[Lecarpetron]

i just ate half a pizza to see what would happen... i had to urinate after the first slice and felt hungry immediately following it, now my temperature is 99.8 without taking any thyroid or taking any supplements or anything. very interesting these concepts, i really wonder how to fully combine them with peat or when is the right time to "switch" over.

it also makes me think peat is taking thyroid supplementation for this particular reason.

I've actually never had a thyroid panel done. My only official diagnosis was insomnia, and a string of specialists all said that psychological stress causes insomnia, not physiological stress. ugh.

I know I was in bad shape then and better shape now bc my pulse and temps are better. Not perfect, but improving.

Anyway, I "knew" when it was time to start more liquids and Peaty stuff bc my appetite changed. I started craving junk less and wanting milk.

 

[max219]

I find that I can include a lot more orange juice and/or milk during the summer when I am sweating a lot compared to the winter. In the cold weather, I sip on orange juice infrequently, and drink coffee 1-2 times per day. In the summer, I can drink 8-16 cups of orange juice and multiple cups of coffee with no issues. I agree with what Matt Stone has to say about metabolism and fluid intake

 

[mayweatherking]

I've actually never had a thyroid panel done. My only official diagnosis was insomnia, and a string of specialists all said that psychological stress causes insomnia, not physiological stress. ugh.

I know I was in bad shape then and better shape now bc my pulse and temps are better. Not perfect, but improving.

Anyway, I "knew" when it was time to start more liquids and Peaty stuff bc my appetite changed. I started craving junk less and wanting milk.

cool, thanks for the info. i think i can "handle" milk, but i have bad constipation issues, so im still trying to figure that out, maybe this could help with it.

I find that I can include a lot more orange juice and/or milk during the summer when I am sweating a lot compared to the winter. In the cold weather, I sip on orange juice infrequently, and drink coffee 1-2 times per day. In the summer, I can drink 8-16 cups of orange juice and multiple cups of coffee with no issues. I agree with what Matt Stone has to say about metabolism and fluid intake

what are your solid food stapes in the peat diet? it seems like you can drink enough fluid no matter what if you have enough salt with it from what i am gathering?

 

[Dopamine]

I follow somewhat of a Matt Stone/Peat Diet which I have worked out through trial and error.

I generally have trouble with milk by itself and it makes me cold and makes my tongue white... however when mixed with corn puff cereal I can handle large quantities of milk. I think it is the palatability and the caloric density that the corn puff cereal adds to the meal. You can also get puffed rice cereal but I prefer the corn. Peats likes masa harina which is corn so I think this falls well in line with his recommendations. The cereal I buy is organic with minimal ingredients and no added iron or vegetable oil.

Basically I cannot drink liters of milk by itself but I can happily eat many large bowls of cereal with milk.

Morning coffee I could not tolerate well until I started eating starch in the morning. I now eat 4 slices of sprouted wheat toast with butter and jam every morning- also scrambled eggs with cheese, and coffee with sugar and ~tbsp of ice-cream. Adding starch to the meal eliminated the adrenaline rushes I usually get from coffee and it is way more satiating and delicious. Again the starch has no vegetable oil, basic ingredients, and is easy for me to digest.

The way I see Matt Stone is kind of Peat + Starch and with an emphasis on eating highly palatable foods rather than analyzing every meal like it's a science experiment. I don't think Peat is anti-starch however people on this forum seem to often interpret him that way. There was a poll on the forum asking how many people eat starch. ~40% said every meal, ~32% said every-day, everybody else who voted "never" was probaly on a short term health kick that they won't be able to keep up long term... I don't seriously believe that people can eat starch free diets while eating enough calories and feeling psychologically satisfied after each meal. The fact that ~75% of the people on this forum eat lots of starch tells me that it has biological benefits and should find it's way into a healthy balanced diet plan. I think most people suffer long term from avoiding starch namely due to a lack of carbohydrates and appetite as starch tends to stimulate appetite and stimulate storage of muscle glycogen and anabolism.

I think this is probaly a realistic/healthy diet plan for most people that is flexible and can be adapted:

-Avoid: Vegetable Oil, Chicken/Pork/Fish Fat
-Avoid in Excess: Olive Oil, Nuts, Seeds, Muscle Meat, Bad Additives (Silica, Iron, Carageenan etc...)

Also it's good to emphasize people really listen to their body and gain a knowledge of what works through experiential learning.

 

[mayweatherking]

I follow somewhat of a Matt Stone/Peat Diet which I have worked out through trial and error.

I generally have trouble with milk by itself and it makes me cold and makes my tongue white... however when mixed with corn puff cereal I can handle large quantities of milk. I think it is the palatability and the caloric density that the corn puff cereal adds to the meal. You can also get puffed rice cereal but I prefer the corn. Peats likes masa harina which is corn so I think this falls well in line with his recommendations. The cereal I buy is organic with minimal ingredients and no added iron or vegetable oil.

Basically I cannot drink liters of milk by itself but I can happily eat many large bowls of cereal with milk.

Morning coffee I could not tolerate well until I started eating starch in the morning. I now eat 4 slices of sprouted wheat toast with butter and jam every morning- also scrambled eggs with cheese, and coffee with sugar and ~tbsp of ice-cream. Adding starch to the meal eliminated the adrenaline rushes I usually get from coffee and it is way more satiating and delicious. Again the starch has no vegetable oil, basic ingredients, and is easy for me to digest.

The way I see Matt Stone is kind of Peat + Starch and with an emphasis on eating highly palatable foods rather than analyzing every meal like it's a science experiment. I don't think Peat is anti-starch however people on this forum seem to often interpret him that way. There was a poll on the forum asking how many people eat starch. ~40% said every meal, ~32% said every-day, everybody else who voted "never" was probaly on a short term health kick that they won't be able to keep up long term... I don't seriously believe that people can eat starch free diets while eating enough calories and feeling psychologically satisfied after each meal. The fact that ~75% of the people on this forum eat lots of starch tells me that it has biological benefits and should find it's way into a healthy balanced diet plan. I think most people suffer long term from avoiding starch namely due to a lack of carbohydrates and appetite as starch tends to stimulate appetite and stimulate storage of muscle glycogen and anabolism.

I think this is probaly a realistic/healthy diet plan for most people that is flexible and can be adapted:

-Avoid: Vegetable Oil, Chicken/Pork/Fish Fat
-Avoid in Excess: Olive Oil, Nuts, Seeds, Muscle Meat, Bad Additives (Silica, Iron, Carageenan etc...)

Also it's good to emphasize people really listen to their body and gain a knowledge of what works through experiential learning.

thanks for the info. i honestly just need to start having bowel movements and i am doing it this way because maybe it is the problem. i'm not sure, but since upping my salt i did notice some positives, but nothing yet on the constipation front which is unequivocally the most frustrating thing i have ever dealt with in my life. btw, peat does not like starches because it sits in the gut too long and feeds bacteria. but he is OK with it if it is cooked very very well enough to where it is easily digested by the body, thats why he says you should boil the potato for like an hour or something crazy.

 

[Dopamine]

thanks for the info. i honestly just need to start having bowel movements and i am doing it this way because maybe it is the problem. i'm not sure, but since upping my salt i did notice some positives, but nothing yet on the constipation front which is unequivocally the most frustrating thing i have ever dealt with in my life. btw, peat does not like starches because it sits in the gut too long and feeds bacteria. but he is OK with it if it is cooked very very well enough to where it is easily digested by the body, thats why he says you should boil the potato for like an hour or something crazy.

I don't think he has said it sits in the gut too long. Starch digests very rapidly.

Most healthy civilizations have subsisted on starch based diets and there are many arguments that the ability to cook starch was sort of the big bang towards brain development and heightened intelligence. I can't see how our bodies would not have adapted to such a crucial food in our evolutionary history.

I am starting to sound like @WestsidePUFAS

Dairy feeds my bacteria more than starch I think. The nasty white bacterial coating on my tongue flares up big time after drinking plain milk. Big satisfying meals (with starch generally) encourage digestion, lower stress, and will leave my tongue bright pink and healthy. The best way to stimulate digestion is hearty, palatable and enjoyable meals with relatively balanced macros. This is just my personal experience I am speaking from though... of course everybody is different.

Again I have learned to move away from theory and towards tangible experience. In my experience starch free diets have never worked long term despite me filling the carbohydrate need with dates and fruit and such... If you like it then all the power to you.

btw potatoes are one of the hardest starches for me to digest. Processed starches and rice are much easier for me personally.

 

[mayweatherking]

I don't think he has said it sits in the gut too long. Starch digests very rapidly.

Most healthy civilizations have subsisted on starch based diets and there are many arguments that the ability to cook starch was sort of the big bang towards brain development and heightened intelligence. I can't see how our bodies would not have adapted to such a crucial food in our evolutionary history.

I am starting to sound like @WestsidePUFAS

Dairy feeds my bacteria more than starch I think. The nasty white bacterial coating on my tongue flares up big time after drinking plain milk. Big satisfying meals (with starch generally) encourage digestion, lower stress, and will leave my tongue bright pink and healthy. The best way to stimulate digestion is hearty, palatable and enjoyable meals with relatively balanced macros. This is just my personal experience I am speaking from though... of course everybody is different.

Again I have learned to move away from theory and towards tangible experience. In my experience starch free diets have never worked long term despite me filling the carbohydrate need with dates and fruit and such... If you like it then all the power to you.

btw potatoes are one of the hardest starches for me to digest. Processed starches and rice are much easier for me personally.

2. Starches can feed bacteria in the lower portion of the intestines if not digested quickly, increasing intestinal toxin burden and fermentation of carbohydrates which can stress the liver and produce changes in the metabolic rate, mood, and mediators of inflammation (like serotonin, estrogen, endotoxin). Excessive endotoxin exposure affects the liver’s production of cholesterol (not favorable).

-raypeat

he said about dairy that the bacteria effect the digestive tract in a non negative way. i know the white tongue coating you are talking about, i have gotten that before too, but i dont have it anymore.

 

[Dopamine]

"if not digested quickly"

If starches are uncooked then yes they feed bacteria effectively. I think that is the rationale behind the "resistant starch" craze.

With that being said nobody eats raw/uncooked starch except unripe bananas and raw oatmeal etc... Cooked starch is digested rapidly. That's why Peat suggests eating fat with starch- to slow down the entrance of glucose into the blood stream I think as it is broken down rapidly.

It is all about the nuance.

 

[Dopamine]

As to dairy effecting the person in "a non negative way" I think it really depends on the individual and also their metabolic rate.

 

[Blossom]

I first found out about Peat through Matt. I picked up a lot of helpful information from his site and books.

 

[mayweatherking]

I first found out about Peat through Matt. I picked up a lot of helpful information from his site and books.

I see... I think the biggest for me is the fact about salt. Since increasing my salt, I have noticed some differences for sure. Mainly it's estrogen lowering abilities through I'm assuming prolactin dropping from it. I also notice salt's ability to make my skin more moisturized. I think I really was just over doing it with liquids I guess and not enough salt.