Masks Do Work (PBS Video)

[boris]

If you are wanting a reality check on the data, take a look at these pages:

@tara the site you posted is indeed a good reality check to see that there is nothing going on. The so called „cases“ keep rising while deaths are constant.

Coronavirus Pandemic (COVID-19) – the data

Because there are corresponding elevated rates of sickness and death in the areas where there are high numbers of positive tests. There're also reasons for more testing where there is more sickness.

You don‘t see the implications of that?
The testing and diagnosis and their mainstream narrative has been discussed and disputed here for many months.

• The tests show false positives (even fruits tested positive)
• They detect various types of coronaviruses
• Furthermore the diagnosis is also being done without tests
• The testkits were even contaminated with actual coronaviruses
• Postmortem diagnosis is being done on „suspicion“ alone
• People who have positive testresults but die of unrelated causes (even a traffic accident) were going into COVID death statistics
• etc, etc, etc.

If you want to have a meaningful discussion, now would be your turn to dispute that in turn.

 

[Energizer]

On a wider note how is it that so much rubbish is getting into our oceans, are the fraudulent people/governments dumping sea waste?
I find the whole sea pollution issue a disgrace mad:

Dumping Contaminated Water from Fukushima Plant Into Ocean – the Lesser Evil? | New Eastern Outlook

Our Vanishing World: Oceans

Setting aside the misguided "carbon footprint" hype, most of the criticisms of industrial polluters seem valid. The US Gov't spends over 900$ billion dollars on their military budget, you can imagine the amount of pollution just from their warships alone.

The US military is a bigger polluter than more than 100 countries combined

 

[Recoen]

On a wider note how is it that so much rubbish is getting into our oceans, are the fraudulent people/governments dumping sea waste?
I find the whole sea pollution issue a disgrace mad:

We ship it to other countries who then do that or they have wasted land storing the trash.

 

[ecstatichamster]

In the US, there have been multiples more deaths from COVID-19 in the last 5 moths than usually occur from flu in a year.
If this were 'just a regular flu season', it would be an unusually nasty one.

If you are wanting a reality check on the data, take a look at these pages:
Coronavirus Pandemic (COVID-19) - Statistics and Research
Coronavirus (COVID-19) Deaths - Statistics and Research
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I don’t agree. I think deaths are misattributed for financial reasons. All-cause mortality is no higher in the USA than usual.

 

[tankasnowgod]

They didn't need microscopes and 100% reliable lab tests to figure out there was an infectious epidemic/pandemic when the black death swept through many countries hundred of years ago. They could figure it out from observing people becoming sick. That still applies, and people working in hospitals etc are aware of this, even if there are uncertainties about particular aspects of particular tests.

True, and this was also true in the 2017/18 flu season when hospitals were being overwhelmed. But it's completely irrelevant in the discussion of COVID-19, because the entire IDEA of an epidemic/pandemic this time rests on the DISCOVERY of a new virus. Without that, their entire pandemic house of cards collapses, as there is no foundation.

The fact of the matter is, All Cause Mortality was lower in the US (and many countries in Europe) right until Government started their Lockdown EXPERIMENT, radically changing peoples lives, causing all sorts of suicides and deaths from increased stress, while laying off tens of thousands of doctors and nurses in the process.

This simply isn't viral activity. Just like you said a virus doesn't care if it's discovered, it certainly doesn't care what governors and mayors do. It wasn't sitting somewhere in China or Italy thinking to itself, "Gee, I'd really like to be infecting people in New York City, but I better wait till March 23rd to get there, seeing as Emperor Cuomo is planning to lock down his state at that time. No one will think it's weird that the death rate is spiking right at the tail end of flu season in spring, like has never happened before in 50 years of data. They'll just KNOW I'm such a special virus that way, and they will never blame fascist government action!"

Even with that odd spike in April and May, All Cause Mortality in the US is right about where you would expect it to be for this time of year.

 

[tankasnowgod]

If you are immune to evidence, then reasons are probably irrelevant.

I'm not immune to evidence. I'm completely open to the idea that COVID 19 exists if there is proper evidence.

Show me-

Proof that COVID 19 was purified and isolated

The Electron Micrographs of COVID 19

The Paper where Scientists have satisfied Koch's Postulates. And then papers where other scientists replicate their work.

Those three things would indeed prove that COVID 19 exists. In fact, it's pretty much the ONLY way to prove that a virus exists. You seem to have a pretty high standard for evidence, so I'm guessing you have those scientific articles or studies on hand, and can post them here.

 

[ecstatichamster]

Masks are remarkably stupid. Viruses are very small, small enough to evade the mask material. Especially a cloth mask.

They become germy and disgusting. If they are N95 they can impede airflow and cause chronic hypoxia.

They also prevent us from getting social cues from others, and they make us feel very isolated and alone. They signal that we are compliant and obedient to a higher authority.

These are some of the many reasons why masks are just terrible.

 

[tankasnowgod]

Masks are remarkably stupid. Viruses are very small, small enough to evade the mask material. Especially a cloth mask.

They become germy and disgusting. If they are N95 they can impede airflow and cause chronic hypoxia.

They also prevent us from getting social cues from others, and they make us feel very isolated and alone. They signal that we are compliant and obedient to a higher authority.

These are some of the many reasons why masks are just terrible.

Agree. There are many other issues, too. When these "guidelines" or "orders" came out (in the US at least, they technically aren't laws, but have the effect under color of law), there was no safety testing. It's one thing to wear a mask for 20 minutes to an hour when doing some light effort work, like shopping. It's another to wear one 8 hours a day, 5 days a week when doing physically demanding work like stocking store shelves, or when operating heavy machinery like driving a car. There was NO safety testing done. Also, in many areas, it's summer, and one of the reasons people wear masks is to keep themselves warmer (and they can be very effective at that). But in places like the Arizona desert where temps can reach 110-120 degrees Fahrenheit, wearing a mask can be especially dangerous. They mayors of Tucson and Phoenix and such didn't think about the possibility of heat stroke? And what about areas that are hot and humid like Virginia? 90 degree temps with 80-90% humidity?

Vaping videos on Youtube show how ineffective masks can be at containing particles. Example-



This guy does a more in depth demonstration-



Even with the N95 masks, you are simply redirecting airflow, to some degree. And the second video even shows how important getting the nose seal right is, and guy does it wrong the first time, and he is paying attention to that fact. You can see with the more common masks how exhaled air is re-directed to your eyes. It's not acting much like a filter, but an obstruction. Who knows what kind of issues this will create over the coming months and years. Massive Pink Eye Outbreaks, anyone?

 

[ecstatichamster]

Agree. There are many other issues, too. When these "guidelines" or "orders" came out (in the US at least, they technically aren't laws, but have the effect under color of law), there was no safety testing. It's one thing to wear a mask for 20 minutes to an hour when doing some light effort work, like shopping. It's another to wear one 8 hours a day, 5 days a week when doing physically demanding work like stocking store shelves, or when operating heavy machinery like driving a car. There was NO safety testing done. Also, in many areas, it's summer, and one of the reasons people wear masks is to keep themselves warmer (and they can be very effective at that). But in places like the Arizona desert where temps can reach 110-120 degrees Fahrenheit, wearing a mask can be especially dangerous. They mayors of Tucson and Phoenix and such didn't think about the possibility of heat stroke? And what about areas that are hot and humid like Virginia? 90 degree temps with 80-90% humidity?

Vaping videos on Youtube show how ineffective masks can be at containing particles. Example-



This guy does a more in depth demonstration-



Even with the N95 masks, you are simply redirecting airflow, to some degree. And the second video even shows how important getting the nose seal right is, and guy does it wrong the first time, and he is paying attention to that fact. You can see with the more common masks how exhaled air is re-directed to your eyes. It's not acting much like a filter, but an obstruction. Who knows what kind of issues this will create over the coming months and years. Massive Pink Eye Outbreaks, anyone?

Agree. There are many other issues, too. When these "guidelines" or "orders" came out (in the US at least, they technically aren't laws, but have the effect under color of law), there was no safety testing. It's one thing to wear a mask for 20 minutes to an hour when doing some light effort work, like shopping. It's another to wear one 8 hours a day, 5 days a week when doing physically demanding work like stocking store shelves, or when operating heavy machinery like driving a car. There was NO safety testing done. Also, in many areas, it's summer, and one of the reasons people wear masks is to keep themselves warmer (and they can be very effective at that). But in places like the Arizona desert where temps can reach 110-120 degrees Fahrenheit, wearing a mask can be especially dangerous. They mayors of Tucson and Phoenix and such didn't think about the possibility of heat stroke? And what about areas that are hot and humid like Virginia? 90 degree temps with 80-90% humidity?

Vaping videos on Youtube show how ineffective masks can be at containing particles. Example-



This guy does a more in depth demonstration-



Even with the N95 masks, you are simply redirecting airflow, to some degree. And the second video even shows how important getting the nose seal right is, and guy does it wrong the first time, and he is paying attention to that fact. You can see with the more common masks how exhaled air is re-directed to your eyes. It's not acting much like a filter, but an obstruction. Who knows what kind of issues this will create over the coming months and years. Massive Pink Eye Outbreaks, anyone?

those are all reasons masks are ineffective or worn poorly, or dangerous in the heat. Great points.

Ans I am saying that even if they are worn correctly they are remarkably stupid. I don’t remember who started me on this but I now refer to them as germy diapers. They are disgusting.

There’s no reason for any of it. There is absolutely no reason to give up all of the well-being of not wearing a mask in exchange for no benefit whatsoever in wearing a mask.

 

[Drareg]

They didn't need microscopes and 100% reliable lab tests to figure out there was an infectious epidemic/pandemic when the black death swept through many countries hundred of years ago. They could figure it out from observing people becoming sick. That still applies, and people working in hospitals etc are aware of this, even if there are uncertainties about particular aspects of particular tests.
The virus doesn't care whether someone can prove it's a virus. It's just getting on with its job regardless.

Unless you are working the front line in a hospital or are sick yourself, homemade washable reusable masks could save a lot of waste and provide some protection against further spread.


Because there are corresponding elevated rates of sickness and death in the areas where there are high numbers of positive tests. There're also reasons for more testing where there is more sickness.

In the US, there have been multiples more deaths from COVID-19 in the last 5 moths than usually occur from flu in a year.
If this were 'just a regular flu season', it would be an unusually nasty one.

If you are wanting a reality check on the data, take a look at these pages:
Coronavirus Pandemic (COVID-19) - Statistics and Research
Coronavirus (COVID-19) Deaths - Statistics and Research

There are a few countries with even higher rates of than the US. But not many.
Most countries don't have the same level of difficulty with the concurrent epidemic of misinformation etc.


If you are immune to evidence, then reasons are probably irrelevant.
If it's a serious question, then preventing the spread of an infectious disease that has probably killed an estimated 700 000 people could be a relevant reason.


+1.
But may be on the way to becoming sick, or have successfully defended the organism against it. And a few of them may be infectious on the way.

The people would have been getting sick from flu this year also, the difference this year is the hysterical lens of covid19 was applied to most patient symptoms as instructed by the WHO ,many hospitals were not full all over the world.

Can you clarify where there is a corresponding rate of deaths where there is positive results, I take it you mean outside the months where we had a spike and then a drop off down to the levels we see now, the last few months the rate of positives has not correlated with the death rate we seen in previous months.

The only mask that could provide significant protection is the N95 mask, we have highlighted that clearly in this thread, cloth masks are pretty much redundant and have there own side effects.
Countries like the Netherlands, Sweden, Denmark etc are not recommending masks because its not grounded in science.

We already know that many deaths have been put down as covid19 that shouldn’t have been, the UK needs to revise its number down as with many other countries, it’s a bad flu season however it’s not the worst flu season in history when we adjust for population growth, per 100,000 people it’s about the 10th worse since 1927.
Some countries were hit harder, some its had little to no effect on deaths there. The measures taken by governments were not merited and not guided by science, The draconian lockdown measures by governments had little to no effect on the viral growth, there is a spike and it drops off, the data on this keeps growing.
We also have to take into account the mass intubation of people and the neglect around nursing homes, the stories around nursing homes are starting to come out now and it’s negligence.
The US numbers are unusual compared to other countries when we factor in this was supposed to be a deadly virus, everybody says the the virus doesn’t care what we think, it does what it does, the problem is it didn’t do what it was predicted to do in other nations, all nations should have some level of similarities in death rates per 100,000, this isn’t the case, what explains this? Even if we adjust for obesity by nations the death rates still should correlate some bit to a new and novel "deadly" virus.

Some of the biggest drivers of misinformation in this are the American CDC and the WHO along with pharma shills like fauci, let’s not forget the fraudulent models of Neill Ferguson in the UK that scare mongered politicians. Remember these were the organizations saying masks don’t work.

 

[Drareg]

Another study highlighting how redundant and unscientific mask recommendations are, keep in mind you can go to jail for not wearing a mask in some countries, we have all seen the authoritarian behavior in Australia for non mask compliance, it’s like the crusades at this point.
Outside of wearing an N95 respirator which should be specially fitted you are delusional if you think a cloth mask is protective against a "deadly virus".
Many Northern European countries are not recommending masks because it’s not backed by data and the study below alludes once again to that.

Nonpharmaceutical Measures for Pandemic Influenza in Nonhealthcare Settings—Personal Protective and Environmental Measures



"Face Masks
Figure 2. Meta-analysis of risk ratios for the effect of face mask use with or without enhanced hand hygiene on laboratory-confirmed influenza from 10 randomized controlled trials with >6,500 participants. A) Face mask...

In our systematic review, we identified 10 RCTs that reported estimates of the effectiveness of face masks in reducing laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the community from literature published during 1946–July 27, 2018. In pooled analysis, we found no significant reduction in influenza transmission with the use of face masks (RR 0.78, 95% CI 0.51–1.20; I2 = 30%, p = 0.25) (Figure 2). One study evaluated the use of masks among pilgrims from Australia during the Hajj pilgrimage and reported no major difference in the risk for laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infection in the control or mask group (33). Two studies in university settings assessed the effectiveness of face masks for primary protection by monitoring the incidence of laboratory-confirmed influenza among student hall residents for 5 months (9,10). The overall reduction in ILI or laboratory-confirmed influenza cases in the face mask group was not significant in either studies (9,10). Study designs in the 7 household studies were slightly different: 1 study provided face masks and P2 respirators for household contacts only (34), another study evaluated face mask use as a source control for infected persons only (35), and the remaining studies provided masks for the infected persons as well as their close contacts (11–13,15,17). None of the household studies reported a significant reduction in secondary laboratory-confirmed influenza virus infections in the face mask group (11–13,15,17,34,35). Most studies were underpowered because of limited sample size, and some studies also reported suboptimal adherence in the face mask group.

Disposable medical masks (also known as surgical masks) are loose-fitting devices that were designed to be worn by medical personnel to protect accidental contamination of patient wounds, and to protect the wearer against splashes or sprays of bodily fluids (36). There is limited evidence for their effectiveness in preventing influenza virus transmission either when worn by the infected person for source control or when worn by uninfected persons to reduce exposure. Our systematic review found no significant effect of face masks on transmission of laboratory-confirmed influenza.

We did not consider the use of respirators in the community. Respirators are tight-fitting masks that can protect the wearer from fine particles (37) and should provide better protection against influenza virus exposures when properly worn because of higher filtration efficiency. However, respirators, such as N95 and P2 masks, work best when they are fit-tested, and these masks will be in limited supply during the next pandemic. These specialist devices should be reserved for use in healthcare settings or in special subpopulations such as immunocompromised persons in the community, first responders, and those performing other critical community functions, as supplies permit"

 

[tankasnowgod]

Another nice like post that was referenced by Dennis Rancourt.

Basically, masks don't work in surgery, either.

Studies of Surgical Masks Efficacy – 12160 Social Network

"As a person who went to medical school, I was shocked when I read Neil Orr’s study, published in 1981 in the Annals of the Royal College of Surgeons of England. Dr. Orr was a surgeon in the Severalls Surgical Unit in Colchester. And for six months, from March through August 1980, the surgeons and staff in that unit decided to see what would happen if they did not wear masks during surgeries. They wore no masks for six months, and compared the rate of surgical wound infections from March through August 1980 with the rate of wound infections from March through August of the previous four years. And they discovered, to their amazement, that when nobody wore masks during surgeries, the rate of wound infections was less than half what it was when everyone wore masks. Their conclusion: “It would appear that minimum contamination can best be achieved by not wearing a mask at all” and that wearing a mask during surgery “is a standard procedure that could be abandoned.”

He cites 14 other studies that back this up.

 

[snacks]

Most of the flimsy masks worn on trains and subways will do nothing, they still allow air out ,these carriages don’t even have decent air filters, thousands of people throughout the day will allow enough viral particles to build up to make the carriage a super spreader by the day is out, it’s a sardine tin , the idiots spouting mask wearing just can’t handle any contradiction pointed out to them.

It's kind of amazing that nobody's made the simple connection that all of the countries that already had mask-wearing as a semi normal thing in flu season i.e. japan and china seem to be the same places most pandemics come from in the first place. you can't mask around the fact that packing people like sardines has consequences

 

[Drareg]

It's kind of amazing that nobody's made the simple connection that all of the countries that already had mask-wearing as a semi normal thing in flu season i.e. japan and china seem to be the same places most pandemics come from in the first place. you can't mask around the fact that packing people like sardines has consequences

Careful with those insights the cult will send you into exile or probably burn you for witchcraft.

It’s also good to note that China not only eat bat in some regions but also dogs, eating actual dogs, viruses entering their body through the air is the least of their worries.
It’s also a PUFA laden diet in many regions with growing obesity.

 

[Energizer]

 

[Drareg]

"Maskdebating" in church and the White House.

I said this elsewhere but I wouldn’t be surprised if this is the media elites trolling, many of the stations are owned by the same corporate group, they all have the same scripted headlines daily,

 

[David90]

By the way, EVERYONE had to go shopping throughout this whole "pandemic", sick or not. You would think the supermarkets were the main spreading hotspots, especially since (even now) employees don't need to wear masks. Everyday there are reports about "outbreaks", there wasn't a single news report about an outbreak at a supermarket.

THIS ^^^

Everyone over here had to go Shopping, even if it was straight out of Boredom.
This is what i try to say to our German People. If we REALLY would have a Pandemic, then i would be dead by now, because i'm Working (Full Time) at a Supermarket (which is the Main Spreading Hotspot).

 

[boris]

Johns Hopkins Coronavirus "expert" Eric Toner:

NY Post - Americans will wear masks for ‘several years’...
For those who refuse to wear a mask in the interim, Toner said, they’ll eventually wise up.
“They will get over it,” he says.

 

[David90]

They Even Forbid the Upcoming Protest In Berlin this Saturday due to risks concerning the Infection Protection Act ( @boris )

 

[boris]

They Even Forbid the Upcoming Protest In Berlin this Saturday due to risks concerning the Infection Protection Act ( @boris )

The language they use is so terrible.

"you can't mess around with the state"
"we will use police force"
"we are not providing a stage for corona deniers and right wing extremists"

First there were protests for our right to protest (that was taken away), then we got that right back, then they said "what's the problem? you could always protest" and now this.... ridiculous.