Marxism And The New Age Progressive Movements

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Can anyone elaborate why Ray is pro-Marxism, free education and a global base income?

As far as I know, Socialism has never worked?

Are these progressive left movements not the same people that are pushing veganism and PUFA? (WHOrg)
They're also anti-small farms? And anti-nuclear families?

Would love to hear some opinions on these topics.

I lean towards the right "red pill" side, but I really don't know enough to make an informed choice.
Marxists have hijacked some truths (like health truth) and sullied them.
 

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According to Marx, Socialism, where the democratic state controls the means of production, is a precursor to Communism and the next logical step after Capitalism.

Once the state controls all the means of production, the next step is total collective ownership of all aspects of society & economy, including private property, for the creation of a classless, moneyless, stateless society.

So Socialism is a precursor to Communism once the state has enough control over society & economy.

But this control is the problem, once the state has all the power it is never interested in sharing it, all you get is corruption and power abuse.

This is just bait, no wonder the US/UK funded the Bolshevik Revolution.

That shill Antony Sutton put out the disinfo that the US/UK funded Bolshevism when it was actually Jewish bankers that funded it. Sutton himself denied Jewish involvement in Bolshevism, which is obviously preposterous. I wouldn't trust anything from his writings.
 

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That shill Antony Sutton put out the disinfo that the US/UK funded Bolshevism when it was actually Jewish bankers that funded it. Sutton himself denied Jewish involvement in Bolshevism, which is obviously preposterous. I wouldn't trust anything from his writings.
But the US and the UK have been controlled by Zionists for a long time. They have been the termites hiding under the creaking woodwork, careful enough to not be exposed. They've never been formally proclaimed as the rulers, and may never will as it is their preference to hide behind the shadows.

It is a masterful deceit because whites are then blamed by all races for crimes done for the Zionists.
 

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Like taking billions every year in US aid, then using some of that money to buy politicians and the media. Why use your own money if you don't have to?

Why risk your own people, when you can play nations against each other?
 

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But the US and the UK have been controlled by Zionists for a long time. They have been the termites hiding under the creaking woodwork, careful enough to not be exposed. They've never been formally proclaimed as the rulers, and may never will as it is their preference to hide behind the shadows.

It is a masterful deceit because whites are then blamed by all races for crimes done for the Zionists.

That's irrelevant to my point about Sutton. Sutton, in some way, has added to whites and the West being framed for things like Zionism.
 

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Can anyone elaborate why Ray is pro-Marxism, free education and a global base income?

As far as I know, Socialism has never worked?

Are these progressive left movements not the same people that are pushing veganism and PUFA? (WHOrg)
They're also anti-small farms? And anti-nuclear families?

Would love to hear some opinions on these topics.

I lean towards the right "red pill" side, but I really don't know enough to make an informed choice.
actually marxism does work at stagnating an economy whilst mainting stability, you must remember ray peat doesnt believe in techological development like capitalist societies he believes in stable societies where humans can live of their own means. Ray peat has said that the 50s were the ideal period to live in and that there was no need for tech advancement.
 

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actually marxism does work at stagnating an economy whilst mainting stability, you must remember ray peat doesnt believe in techological development like capitalist societies he believes in stable societies where humans can live of their own means. Ray peat has said that the 50s were the ideal period to live in and that there was no need for tech advancement.
Maintaining stability. ROFL! Right, tell us another one.
 

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see, pretty stable, take in mind, i dont believe communism is very good at achieving economic progression or even high standards of living, but atleast you avoid monopolies and ither negative things that come with a capitalist system
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this source is probably biased but it was the only one i could find
 

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see, pretty stable, take in mind, i dont believe communism is very good at achieving economic progression or even high standards of living, but atleast you avoid monopolies and ither negative things that come with a capitalist system
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this source is probably biased but it was the only one i could find
'Bolshevists' avoid 'monopolies' by having an enconomy sabotaged by the banks printing out the paper money you use while they become the monopoly on property ownership while intentionally starving you to death.
 

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'Bolshevists' avoid 'monopolies' by having an enconomy sabotaged by the banks printing out the paper money you use while they become the monopoly on property ownership while intentionally starving you to death.
In the end a bad group of people are constantly trying to hurt the populous, capitalist or communist, it doesn't matter in the end .
 

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Karl Marx on medical and journalistic freedom:

"The human body is mortal by nature. Hence illnesses are inevitable. Why does a man only go to the
doctor when he is ill, and not when he is well? Because not only the illness, but even the doctor is an
evil. Under constant medical tutelage, life would be regarded as an evil and the human body as an object
for treatment by medical institutions. Is not death more desirable than life that is a mere preventive
measure against death? Does not life involve also free movement? What is any illness except life that is
hampered in its freedom? A perpetual physician would be an illness in which one would not even have
the prospect of dying, but only of living. Let life die; death must not live. Has not the spirit more right
than the body? Of course, this right has often been interpreted to mean that for minds capable of free
motion physical freedom of movement is even harmful and therefore they are to be deprived of it. The
starting point of the censorship is that illness is the normal state, or that the normal state, freedom, is to
be regarded as an illness. The censorship continually assures the press that it, the press, is ill; and even if
the latter furnishes the best proofs of its bodily health, it has to allow itself to be treated. But the
censorship is not even a learned physician who applies different internal remedies according to the
illness. It is a country surgeon who knows only a single mechanical panacea for everything, the scissors.
It is not even a surgeon who aims at restoring my health, it is a surgical aesthete who considers
superfluous everything about my body that displeases him, and removes whatever he finds repugnant; it
is a quack who drives back a rash so that it is not seen, without caring in the least whether it then affects
more sensitive internal parts.

You think it wrong to put birds in cages. Is not the cage a preventive measure against birds of prey,
bullets and storms? You think it barbaric to blind nightingales, but it does not seem to you meaningless at
all barbaric to put out the eyes of the press with the sharp pens of the censorship. You regard it as
despotic to cut a free person's hair against his will, but the censorship daily cuts into the flesh of thinking
people and allows only bodies without hearts, submissive bodies which show no reaction, to pass as
healthy!"
 
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In the end a bad group of people are constantly trying to hurt the populous, capitalist or communist, it doesn't matter in the end .


Communist bankers pushing for a gas tax with the 'infrastructure bill' to make goods unpurchasable and to starve Americans to death.
 
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I've watched some documentaries that discussed the origins of communism and lets just say its pretty fuc**d.
Ameriburgers better wise up before they become a communist statistic declared by the baking cartels and their cronies.
 

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see, pretty stable, take in mind, i dont believe communism is very good at achieving economic progression or even high standards of living, but atleast you avoid monopolies and ither negative things that come with a capitalist system
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this source is probably biased but it was the only one i could find
This in no way, shape, or form proves Marxism as a stabilizing economic force.
 

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In the end a bad group of people are constantly trying to hurt the populous, capitalist or communist, it doesn't matter in the end .

Yep, and has happened to countries, big and small, trying mode of govt across the entire political spectrum. I still don't understand why people keep bickering about LEFT vs. RIGHT when it is all about power/corruption/militarism/war vs. independence/freedom/life. We have plenty of examples of both left and right being capable of the former and also of the latter. Once a power structure reaches critical mass/capabilities, it becomes a magnet for corrupted/psychotic individuals. And once they take over, the political regime becomes nothing more than a puppet show, to placate the masses. And for some reason this charade seems to work its "magic" on at least half of the population in developed countries...
 

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Local governance, if any, is more efficient than central governments.
 

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